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Thoughts on Nottingham Trent for Business Mgt

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MrsPeterHarris · 13/10/2024 08:51

Just wondering if I could canvass views on NTU for business as visited yesterday with my DC & it was his clear favourite for Business & Mgt.

We've looked round quite a few of the Russell Group unis & he's not been too fussed but git excited by NTU City Campus yesterday. However I think I still have my 'snobbery' from 30 years ago when I went to uni & we former polys were considered 'lesser'! Sorry!

All views appreciated, thanks!

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SockFluffInTheBath · 13/10/2024 12:25

Different subject but DS got RG grades and is at one of the modern unis. He loves it, definitely the right place for him. If they’re happy then they’re more likely to put their shoulder to it imo. If your DS loved NTU then it should go on his form.

Drampa · 13/10/2024 12:29

MrsPeterHarris · 13/10/2024 11:55

Is there any way to access this info for free? It's trying to charge to view the information.

I don’t know, sorry (I subscribe). Google might throw up the same info from another source

clary · 13/10/2024 13:08

MrsPeterHarris · 13/10/2024 10:59

@clary, no, it would be the City Campus as it's business he wants to study, thanks though!

Ah I see you said that in your OP, apologies.

It's not a campus in the sense of UoN or Warwick etc, which is what confused me. But that’s neither here nor there. If he like the location, the course, the vibe, and it fits with his PGs then happy days.

I see the offer is up to BBB – does that match his likely achievement? If he is a three-A-star candidate I would genuinely advise him to consider at least somewhere with a higher tariff. I know at least three YP who went to a uni with a much lower requirement than they achieved and who went on to think that was a bit of a mistake. In at least one case they moved unis.

MrsPeterHarris · 13/10/2024 13:20

Why though at @clary ?

He's predicted AAB hence looking round RG unis, but NTU was genuinely the first uni he got excited about hence me starting this thread (as I know I've got old fashioned views re ex-Polys but genuinely not sure if they're still valid from a future employer perspective or RG are now just trading on history / reputation & trying to keep RG as something extra special rather than genuinely being worth having on a CV).

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mumonthehill · 13/10/2024 13:25

Ds did his undergraduate degree and just finished his research masters at NTU and has had a fantastic time. Both campuses are great and Notts as a city is good and not too expensive. DS had an unconditional offer for his course and turned down Bath to go. He has really enjoyed it. Let them go where they will be happy.

Piggywaspushed · 13/10/2024 13:25

The beginning of today's propaganda article in the ST says:

Students who left university this summer are starting on lower salaries in real terms at some of the UK’s leading companies than those who graduated three years ago, a report will reveal this week.
A graduate who has managed to get a job, unlike so many of them, typically started on £32,000, according to the Institute of Student Employers (ISE). In absolute terms, this is a 3.2 per cent rise from 2023-24 but a real-terms drop of £3,559 since 2021 when adjusted for inflation. If salaries had risen with inflation, this year’s graduates should be starting on £35,500.
Experts say it is a “tough” jobs market in which the value of having a degree is dropping, while the experience of those who did not go to university — and therefore do not have huge amounts of student debt — is better.

I didn't realise drampa has linked to an older article so it just shows how the ST keeps banging tis anti uni drum.

Later in the same article it admits:

This data is evidence that school-leaver salaries are increasing at a faster rate than graduate salaries. Average graduate starting salaries have also not kept pace with inflation.”
The good news, he said, was that graduates could expect their salaries to rise sharply once on a graduate training programme. Within three years, they are typically earning £45,000.

Arguably, therefore, although salaries at start should definitely be keeping pace, there is a pick up a few years down the line. I think it is important for YP to see earnings , if they are motivated by earnings, as a longer term thing, not an immediate gratification.

Sorry, don't know how to do a share token for whole article.

Pinkissmart · 13/10/2024 13:31

Flyhigher · 13/10/2024 09:08

If they have the grades for Russell group go.
Nottingham uni is great for business. Also mmu.

Can you please explain why?

I’m so irritated by this RG obsession.

clary · 13/10/2024 13:32

MrsPeterHarris · 13/10/2024 13:20

Why though at @clary ?

He's predicted AAB hence looking round RG unis, but NTU was genuinely the first uni he got excited about hence me starting this thread (as I know I've got old fashioned views re ex-Polys but genuinely not sure if they're still valid from a future employer perspective or RG are now just trading on history / reputation & trying to keep RG as something extra special rather than genuinely being worth having on a CV).

Ah OK AAB is kind of the cusp isn't it? I bet that's about the offer for a good deal of RG (Newcastle for example – I just checked) and below the ask for somewhere like Warwick. In that case he sounds like he is being sensible, esp if he really loved NTU. I would still look as some possibles tho. But maybe he has looked at all of them.

Do you mean why did people think their choices were a mistake? Well I know that this sounds unpleasant but they found that the level of intellectual challenge and engagement from people who had got there with BCC was not what they hoped for (this is students who achieved Astar AA type grades). At least one left and restarted at a higher-tariff uni. I appreciate very much tho that this is a small anecdotal sample and proves just about nothing.

I would also like to counter it with DD’s experience – she had a place at RG uni that needed AAA, she had an exam mare and ended up with BCC and somewhere else altogether through clearing – and once said to me “thank goodness I didn’t go to [RG uni] as I bet they would all have been so ‘oh I've read all the books in the summer holidays’ but where I am it’s more ‘crikey that essay is due in tomorrow, better make some notes!’ which makes me feel much better!” FWIW she came out with an amazing degree and it was a good experience for sure. I am certainly not any kind of uni snob as none of my DC went to an RG uni and that was fine.

Drampa · 13/10/2024 13:40

Piggywaspushed · 13/10/2024 13:25

The beginning of today's propaganda article in the ST says:

Students who left university this summer are starting on lower salaries in real terms at some of the UK’s leading companies than those who graduated three years ago, a report will reveal this week.
A graduate who has managed to get a job, unlike so many of them, typically started on £32,000, according to the Institute of Student Employers (ISE). In absolute terms, this is a 3.2 per cent rise from 2023-24 but a real-terms drop of £3,559 since 2021 when adjusted for inflation. If salaries had risen with inflation, this year’s graduates should be starting on £35,500.
Experts say it is a “tough” jobs market in which the value of having a degree is dropping, while the experience of those who did not go to university — and therefore do not have huge amounts of student debt — is better.

I didn't realise drampa has linked to an older article so it just shows how the ST keeps banging tis anti uni drum.

Later in the same article it admits:

This data is evidence that school-leaver salaries are increasing at a faster rate than graduate salaries. Average graduate starting salaries have also not kept pace with inflation.”
The good news, he said, was that graduates could expect their salaries to rise sharply once on a graduate training programme. Within three years, they are typically earning £45,000.

Arguably, therefore, although salaries at start should definitely be keeping pace, there is a pick up a few years down the line. I think it is important for YP to see earnings , if they are motivated by earnings, as a longer term thing, not an immediate gratification.

Sorry, don't know how to do a share token for whole article.

I agree with you, and did read an article where it looked at longer term earnings but frustratingly can’t find it now

i don’t think earnings should be the deciding factor in this decision but think the OP’s son should have all the information when he makes his choice - and this is one piece of information.

2024NTU · 13/10/2024 13:41

I’ve name changed for this but I have a son at NTU in his second year doing Business and he couldn’t be happier. Like yours it was the uni that really got him excited about a degree. It’s very well thought of for Business and has great post degree employment success.

SockFluffInTheBath · 13/10/2024 14:00

If you go to the bottom of the UCAS page for the course it tells you the highest, average, and lowest grades of accepted students. The business courses at NTU all seem to take people with 1 or 2 As. Anything non-RG may be viewed as insurance-only by some, but it seems not by all. I work in a large, well known engineering company and we hire from all sorts of unis and colleges. It may be the case that some companies still do hire only from certain unis, but if DC are not A* x 4 students they’re probably not on that track anyway.

My DS had an offer for Loughborough, but chose UEA instead because he felt comfortable there. It has to be their choice, they’re the ones who have to go.

Magicmushroomsauce · 13/10/2024 14:13

I did a Business Degree at NTU albeit graduated 10 years ago. I would recommend doing a sandwich course, so a year out in industry as year 3. That set up my career. I’ve never had any snobbery re my uni. I got good grades and am now in a relevant role, which pays well. I would recommend it - the facilities / nightlife in Nottingham are great too.

MargaretBetts · 13/10/2024 14:21

I went to uni before RG was even a thing. Let's not forget that RG was formed as a lobbying group. Definitely not the be all and end all.

Former polys had great contacts/relationships with their communities, businesses and industry. Back in my day they offered a really well rounded output rather than a purely academic focus.

One of my masters level quals is from a former poly. I don't think any less of it. If I had to choose my favourite uni experience it would be that one.

MrsPeterHarris · 13/10/2024 15:32

Thank you all - really appreciate the honesty & insight. Sounds like I definitely need to get over my old prejudices!

I really just want him to be happy but also as it is so expensive now (I had no fees & got a grant!!) don't want him to waste his time & money!

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HPFA · 14/10/2024 11:14

Every student will do better and make more of the opportunities at a place where they are happy.

Will there be an employment benefit from doing management at the LSE or Bath rather than NTU? Probably, yes. But a happy student at NTU will take advantage of the opportunities there and an unhappy student at the LSE or Bath won't.

I went to Oxford and think the effect has been neutral on my subsequent life - what I gained from the prestige was countered by the fact that I was too intimidated to take advantage of the opportunities on offer.

My daughter's just gone to Aberystwyth - glad to see people think it's a happy place! She seems chirpy so far!

thing47 · 14/10/2024 17:08

DD2 went to NTU for her undergraduate and absolutely loved it. The City and the university both. She wasn't doing Business but several of her friends did and seemed to enjoy their course.

One thing she really liked about it was that it seemed to attract students from all over – her friends are from London and the Midlands, but also from Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Edinburgh. They left 4 years ago and have regular meet-ups, including a big one in a couple of weeks' time. Her friends are all lovely and welcome at my house any time.

Sumofn · 14/10/2024 17:37

DS did his masters at UoN and lived in the city centre. He found it very safe bar that horrific, tragic (one off) murder incident back in 2023.

But in reality he didn't enjoy Nottingham as a city and wished he stayed at Imperial (where he did his UG) as he liked London more. But Nottingham is a city with a lot to offer and many other students enjoy.

TizerorFizz · 15/10/2024 00:18

The other one I would look at is Reading. Nottingham Trent is mid div but it’s not going to matter much. Employers set tests. Then interviews. So what you do in these matters more. The degree is the starting point, Desire to get a great job, ability and confidence matter too. No employer just looks at uni alone without any other info about the candidate. So work experience, interviewing well and thinking skills are always going to count for something in addition to degree.

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