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V dull question about course codes

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TMIteen · 16/08/2024 13:03

My DS is applying to do Ancient History next year. He has selected the 5 unis he wants to apply for. Four of them have exactly the same course code (V110) whereas Kent has a different code (Q800).
We can’t see any obvious difference between the courses. He’s worried that it might be considered an inferior course in some way.
Does anyone know why they might be different? Thanks

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redskydarknight · 16/08/2024 13:59

The course code defines the main subject(s) covered by the course.

Q denotes linguistics, classics and related subjects; V denotes historical and philosophical studies

"Q800" is classical studies (study of the civilisation of Ancient Greek and Rome)

"V110" is ancient history

Without knowing anything about this it sounds as though the V110 courses would be more broad whereas the Q800 would be more focused on Greek/Roman history. There is possibly also a nuance in the focus/aims of the course which your DS might like to tease out.

Google JACS codes to find out more.

titchy · 16/08/2024 14:50

It's taught by the Classical and Archeological dept at Kent according to the website, so they'll have coded all that depts courses as 'Classical studies' which has the Q code. Other unis presumably have this course taught in their History depts.

HEMole · 16/08/2024 15:24

There are a few oddities like this. For example, nearly all pharmacy degrees have the code B230, but at the University of Bath it's M100, which is the course code for law at most other universities.

titchy · 16/08/2024 16:16

HEMole · 16/08/2024 15:24

There are a few oddities like this. For example, nearly all pharmacy degrees have the code B230, but at the University of Bath it's M100, which is the course code for law at most other universities.

That's clearly a typo!

HEMole · 16/08/2024 16:30

That's clearly a typo!

If so, it's the same typo on the Bath University web site and on UCAS.

V dull question about course codes
titchy · 16/08/2024 17:07

That just means the source of the data for both is wrong!

titchy · 16/08/2024 17:08

To clarify - the source for both is the same so a mistake in the source is obviously then transferred to both Bath website and UCAS website.

HEMole · 16/08/2024 17:28

To clarify - the source for both is the same so a mistake in the source is obviously then transferred to both Bath website and UCAS website.

Nope. I am literally at this moment looking at UCAS records showing applicants who applied to my institution and also to Bath: institution code B16 University of Bath; course code M100 Pharmacy.

redskydarknight · 16/08/2024 18:21

HEMole · 16/08/2024 17:28

To clarify - the source for both is the same so a mistake in the source is obviously then transferred to both Bath website and UCAS website.

Nope. I am literally at this moment looking at UCAS records showing applicants who applied to my institution and also to Bath: institution code B16 University of Bath; course code M100 Pharmacy.

That's because the source of that data is wrong.

The same incorrect source of data (probably somewhere at Bath) is transferred over to both the Bath website and the UCAS website (UCAS gets its information from universities, it doesn't independently create it).

MarchingFrogs · 16/08/2024 18:51

Why would the Kent course be inferior, because the code is different? It might actually be better?

TMIteen · 16/08/2024 18:57

MarchingFrogs · 16/08/2024 18:51

Why would the Kent course be inferior, because the code is different? It might actually be better?

I'm not sure. This is all new to us. Most of the other universities are your 'red brick' universities so assumed they would be the 'better' courses. We were just concerned that we might be missing something in our ignorance.

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TimbuktuTimbuktu · 16/08/2024 23:43

The guidance on the codes isn't amazing, especially when courses fall between main subject areas. Generally whichever department sets the course up will use the same starting letter as their other programmes so a course run by the history department will have a different starting letter to one run by the classics department etc.

It never matters again after you start uni, it's just for making sure you've made the right choice on UCAS and anonymised stats reporting to HESA.

YellowAsteroid · 17/08/2024 00:56

Your DS can go into each university website and navigate past the advertorial UCAS guff (we academics don't write that advertising & we are very ambivalent about it!), and go into the Department/School websites and look at the more detailed structure of each degree.

He should look for how each degree is constructed, what modules are compulsory, what are optional, what areas of staff research specialisms there are, and how that research informs and structures their teaching.

Have a look at staff biographies and what they've published, for example. In the humanities, that feed through from staff research into teaching is generally an indication of the quality of a degree, in intellectual terms. Research-intensive universities will do a lot more of that and so students are taught stuff at the cutting edge of new research (I do this in my 3rd year modules - the kids get to work on what I'm working on for my next book).

He can also probably get a good sense of the range of assessment practices - for example, in my department, we don't do any of the traditional 3 hour, unseen examinations, but we do do a lot of collaborative research presentations, and individual oral exams.

YellowAsteroid · 17/08/2024 00:57

And the codes are administrative - nothing to do with quality. They're linked to the QAA (Quality Assessment) benchmarks for degrees in each discipline. This is a broad national framework which sets out the expected standards of content, assessment, and teaching across all the academic disciplines in the UK.

But really, you don't need to be too bothered about these. All universities adhere to these, and hold regular (generally every 5 years) deep dives into standards, done by a combination of external and internal expert academic staff. We all do them, either within our departments or as externals.

The UK HE system is very tightly monitored & surveilled. We're lucky - it's one of the best HE systems in the world.

Peasnbeans · 17/08/2024 01:05

We found at some open days (DC wants an Eng Lit with Spanish Lang) that in some she belongs in English dept, some in MFL dept. But its 50/50.
Any advice which dept is preferable?
She's just finished Y12.
A Astar Astar prediction (but may drop one as living her life!)

Kipperthedawg · 17/08/2024 01:48

TMIteen · 16/08/2024 18:57

I'm not sure. This is all new to us. Most of the other universities are your 'red brick' universities so assumed they would be the 'better' courses. We were just concerned that we might be missing something in our ignorance.

Just do your homework on Kent. They have a huge deficit and are cutting courses, redundancies etc. Some departments will be fine because they will be used to prop up others, but some are being pulled apart and staff who are jumping ship where they can.

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