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Buying rather than renting at uni?

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ziipidydodah · 03/05/2024 21:33

Any tips from anyone who has helped their DC to do this?

(I realise it’s a privilege.)

DC is going to be in halls for first year anyway, but thinking for 2nd to 4th year (Scottish uni) it might make more sense to buy. Rent on student accommodation is about £6k, but there are plenty of nice 3 bed flats available in the area for £150k.

DS already has £20k towards a house deposit. We’d be paying the rent anyway, so think would be better to put it towards a mortgage. Combine that with taking a couple of lodgers and the mortgage and utilities would be covered.

Complication is that we would want the flat to be in DS’s name, but obviously we would be liable for the mortgage.

Obviously we’d be taking financial advice, but just looking for any experience of this really, good or bad?

OP posts:
Kendodd · 04/05/2024 17:37

Watching thread as I was thinking of doing this for my kids (apart from the tax evaison bit).

Winter2020 · 04/05/2024 20:23

Sgtmajormummy · 04/05/2024 15:55

@Winter2020
Im not in the UK. You’re assuming a lot in your post.
£500 a month rent for a start…

Edited

So why was it bought in your son's name if it's not his?

Sgtmajormummy · 05/05/2024 00:12

It certainly is!

TizerorFizz · 05/05/2024 09:27

If people have properties not in the uk under our tax regime, it’s pointless posting!

You can buy a property and let DS live in it. Have a couple of lodgers and you take responsibility. You pay the tax if applicable.

If you want DS to own it, give it to him. Or sell it to him after he’s no longer a student. Once he’s got a mortgage he’s no longer a first time buyer in the future. Once you buy a second home, you have higher Stamp Duty and CGT when you give it away or take the capital. Of course it might not increase in value.

Not sure I’d bother right now. You need a mortgage so it gets complicated. There are costs and issues involved. What if it all goes wrong with in? Will he stay in that area? How easily can you sell it if you need to? Lots of issues to think about.

Coldupnorth87 · 05/05/2024 09:33

If it's Scotland, the regulations on HMO rentals are far stricter & the sldt is a different regime.

Plus landlord registration might be needed. It's really complex.

I would not want to put the hassle of managing ther students on my DC either.

Buying & selling takes a while too.

Iampondering · 05/05/2024 10:25

Just a different perspective... my parents were going to do this for me and I'm SO glad that they didn't in the end. I didn't have a great time at uni, friendships were difficult (despite me having loads of friendships at school) and if I'd have had the additional stress of being a "landlord" it would have made it really hard.

As it was I couldn't WAIT to get away from my uni city with no ties, and I went straight into a fab graduate job.

My parents helped me buy a house 6 months later, and I lived there very happily for 12 years and it literally set me up for life.

Stoufer · 05/05/2024 10:36

Not read full thread, but yes, sounds like a great idea, if the finances can stack up. I did this when at uni (did postgrad degree in Scotland), and I bought a very very cheap flat with a first-time buyer mortgage, and my parents acted as guarantors on the mortgage, and paid the mortgage payments for me (it worked out much cheaper for them paying the mortgage rather than paying the rent, so it was good for them too, but obviously was only the case because of the low purchase price of the flat (this is going back around 30 years). Issues to look into include the fact that the property is in your dc’s name, so they have to responsible. If renting out to friends, then he would need to do a tax return on income, and if renting out to more than one friend, then it would technically become a HMO (in England, not sure in Scotland), which has certain requirements. And some local authorities are cracking down a bit on which properties can be HMOs (I think they have to be licensed). But I am not massively up to date on this, so you need to research all of this and take advice. It worked out very well for me, but things may have changed a great deal since then, so good idea to check it all out.

Needmoresleep · 05/05/2024 11:18

We looked into this.

My side hustle has always been to buy, renovate and rent property. I am good at both reading markets, and managing tenants and workmen. Friends often ask my advice, say when they have inherited property and almost always, I advise against. Landlords need to be professional. You don't have to watch too many reality TV programmes to see what can go wrong.

When DD was starting University, investing in property in her University town seemed like an excellent investment opportunity. Interest rates were low and prices, back in 2017 were moderate. I also had the advantage of a good specialist mortgage broker, the ability to refinance to raise the deposit and to act as guarantor. Looking back it would have been a really worth doing.

DD saw this at the time. She also knew I could support her. But perhaps because she has been helping out with end of tenancy cleans since she was about six, and seen the reality of being a landlord, she resisted. She did not want the responsibility, at least not that early. And indeed given a disastrous flat share (the friend that one of her friends brought in proved to be a nightmare) it is just as well she didn't. I agreed. It had to be something she wanted to do. In addition I would have had to be reasonably hands on, ensuring she had vetted/referenced potential flatmates, and perhaps organising and overseeing any major works; probably more involved in her life than either of us would have wanted.

Interestingly in her final (sixth!) year she was invited to share with someone who had used an inheritance to buy. That was fine. It was a new build terrace house that he had first shared with his brother and then with someone who was no longer a teenager. That said, some basic maintenance was very overdue.

In her first year as a junior doctor, DD is now buying. There is a shortage of rental property in her City so when her current flatmate moves to a distant placement there will be no shortage of new F1s keen to rent a room. She observed several F1s in her University town buy and then, if careers took them elsewhere, rent them out. From the outset the rent she receives plus the rent she saves, more than pays her mortgage, and if she has to move cities, she can use the rental income to rent, or possibly buy, elsewhere. There is scope to add a double storey extension to DDs house, so she pays down the mortgage and when her salary increases she re-mortgages, builds the extension and effectively is another step up on the ladder.

Property goes in their name, otherwise it is just another buy to let. They get the benefits of being FTBs and of being able to get a contribution to mortgage payments by renting room(s) and in the Bath BS scheme I think the income from the additional rent is factored in. Letting a room when the owner occupier is advantageous both legally and tax wise. Various draft agreements can be found on-line. If the owner has been living there there is no capital gains and students are unlikely to be paying much income tax. Plus if you are lucky you can live almost rent free whilst paying off a mortgage. (HMO legislation varies from town to town but applies to larger properties and I am not aware of it applying to owner-occupied properties. Either way it is simply a matter of getting the right certificates and ticking the right boxes.)

However:

  1. I would not expect capital gains, especially in Southern England. The new Labour Government will need to raise money somehow and more affluent property owners will be in the firing line one way or another. (Estate Agents are saying that the London market, after a short recovery is now very jumpy.)
  2. I would not bank on interest rates falling by much. So though rents might be high the cost of borrowing will also remain relatively high.
  3. It is a big responsibility. Getting flatmates to pay their share of utility bills, clean the bathroom or put the bin out can be a struggle for many teenagers. To be both flatmate and landlord, whilst trying to study, will be a responsibility that many will be reluctant to take.
Needmoresleep · 05/05/2024 11:26

Or sell it to him after he’s no longer a student.

You will then need to pay capital gains which is normally 40% of any gain. You also need to sell at the market price.

MumChp · 05/05/2024 11:28

DelurkingAJ · 04/05/2024 09:18

My friend did that (deposit from gap year job, days when lenders would lend to students with parents as guarantors). Worked brilliantly and set him up for life. But he was always very responsible and capable.

I did this.
I bought a 45m2 flat then at university.
I paid 100% on my old. My parents' had nothing to do with it.

Tbh I worked harder than a lot of my friends did because of the morgage - but in the end I did well for myself.

Sgtmajormummy · 05/05/2024 11:47

TizerorFizz · Today 09:27
If people have properties not in the uk under our tax regime, it’s pointless posting!

That’s a very UK-centric way of posting.
How’s that mindset going for you? I see Scotland also has rules different to England. Do you think that’s pointless, too?

If you read my post carefully, you’ll see I was concentrating on the generic responsibility/commitment side of things, not the taxation.
Anyway, you crack on…

I appreciate@Needmoresleep ’s more balanced viewpoint.

phd123 · 05/05/2024 12:31

I'm just curious to know in which Scottish university city you can buy a nice 3-bed flat for £150k?!

Riverlee · 05/05/2024 14:39

phd123 · 05/05/2024 12:31

I'm just curious to know in which Scottish university city you can buy a nice 3-bed flat for £150k?!

Good point. My dc brought a reasonably nice one bed flat in Edinburgh h for £175000. Two beds were two hundred thousand (did consider with a view to renting a room out, but decided not to).

Don’t forget, op, that Scotland has the ‘Offers over’ system so properties go for more than the listed price.

TizerorFizz · 05/05/2024 15:39

If the rules of renting, rules of borrowing money and rules around CGT are not uk rules, then what another country does is irrelevant. There are CGT allowances and not all property makes money in a few years. So parents certainly can give a property without paying CGT.

Needmoresleep · 05/05/2024 16:35

not all property makes money in a few years

Given the transaction costs, the risks, and the time involved I would not recommend buying a property unless there was a reasonable chance of the property rising in value. Especially if you are talking about a student who might only use the property for a couple of years.

CGT allowance is £3,000. Ie you get to deduct that off the gain, after which you pay 40% on any profit. And that is assuming you have not sold anything else, shares etc, during the qualifying time. Again if you want to buy a BTL property in the University town your DC's will be living that is a whole different question., Not the question OP asked.

I know nothing about Scotland. However how about this? Five minutes walk from Queens University. Belfast. £105,000. RG University. Top ranked University in the UK for various subjects including dentistry. (FWIW Belfast is the current big hotspot for professional UK investors - Dublin is fantastically expensive - and only 90 minutes by train with a frictionless border. A real option for those who mainly wfh. Though the curtains could be improved on.)

Perhaps the moral is that if you want to buy, you need to choose your University carefully.

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