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Process for applying for universities (open days etc) what do you wish you knew now!

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iwantavuvezela · 12/10/2023 15:15

DD is currently in Y12 and starting to think about possible Universities and courses. Am I correct in thinking that next September (start of Y13) we could do a whole lot of visits to different universities and then you apply with mock results from Y12 - is that towards the end of the year?

Can anyone give me some good tips around this whole process (we are the very tip of starting this) but need to start thinking around it.

what do you wish you had known?

Help a fellow parent out here.

OP posts:
isitalloveryet · 29/10/2023 11:20

DS in yr13 and currently doing uni open days!

One thing to think about is the type - large city uni or campus? Very different experiences and one may suit more than the other.

Open day tip - don't just rely on the official tour/talk, get there early and speak to tutors/lecturers directly about the course and ask questions

Good luck & enjoy

MothBat · 29/10/2023 11:27

Personal statements are changing next year so look on UCAS website for more information on the new format. Definitely try and visit a local uni open day this term if possible to get a feel for them. The June/July open days occur over a short period of time and you may not be able to take more than a couple of days off school to attend so have to be selective.

Ladybird63 · 29/10/2023 11:57

Following with interest as I don’t have much clue of the process. First child in year 12 which will go to unit in the UK and both DH and I are from overseas.

We are going to visit a couple of universities in November this year to get a start; I prefer not to leave things for last minute.

The application process is basically through UCAS? How many universities they choose? Do they rank them by preference? They don’t have to apply to each university then? I feel a bit ignorant, hopefully DD has more clue.

What things matter for the process apart from predicted grades? Extracurricular activities? Personal statement?

How much support you give your children with the process? Do you let them take the lead? Or help them to look at websites, order prospectus, book open days? Arrange visits to places?

I wasn’t worry about it and thought DD will do it alone with university support but not sure anymore.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 29/10/2023 12:29

Use public transport to get to them all, unless you intend to drive your DCs around for the next 3 years.

WombatChocolate · 29/10/2023 13:27

OP, it depends if you and DC want to do lots of visits in person. If you do, planning a bit of a schedule and thinking about travel sets might involve some adult input or at least co-ordinating if you and teen’s diaries.

Unis are interested in the academics above all else. The predicted grades (determined through yr12 work and end if yr exams) are the most imposrtsnt thing and many unis won’t look at anything else. If you have zero idea of if your DC is a student who will be predicted Astars or As or Bs or Cs or Ds it is hard to plan Open Day visits as you need to be looking at those that are realistic for your child. Competitive courses might look at the personal statement too. It is changing next year into answers on several areas instead of Freeform writing, but essentially will be looking for the same things - why is your DC interested in the subject and what have they done to demo state this. Super-curriculars are activities they have engaged with related to the subject they want to study - reading outside of the A Level, podcast, visits, anything else and the thoughts they have had arising from them. These are always more important than extra curriculars. And anyone in yr 12 who is planning to apply for competitive courses needs to start in these now as time slips away quickly and before long it’s May/June with the start of work on the personal statement and it’s difficult then if you’ve not actually done anything beyond the curriculum. Brief mention of the extra curriculars to show skills developed is useful, but briefer than you’d imagine,

Time scales can vary a bit depending on school/college and aspirations. Oxbridge and Medical need applications in by mid-Oct (all via UCAS) so students need to have drafted their personal statement before the return to school/college in Sept and have done their uni visits and pinned down at least most of their choices by then. Some schools also encourage all students to complete UCAS applications by Oct half term, so they can then just focus on their A Levels, as UCAS can be time consuming. Other places won’t be looking at any applications of non-medics/Oxbridge before half term, but looking to get their applications in by Christmas or the end of Jan UCAS equal consideration deadline. With this kind of timetable, more autumn visits are possible.

It’s also worth knowing there are Uni Offer Holder Days for yr13s who hold offers in the spring term of yr13. Many students won’t do Open Days for all the places they out on UCAS in yr12. Instead, they might do one or two and then do an Offer Holder Day for another one in yr13 if they get an offer. MN might give the impression that all families spend 6-8 weekends trailing the country in the spring if yr12 doing Open Days and whilst some do, lots don’t and find it’s all crept up on them and they’ve missed a lot of Open Days, or simply aren’t that invested in it all anyway.

In my view, parental support and input is pretty important and gives students a real advantage. There are always total self-starters who have zero parental interest but who research everything online, get themselves to Open Days and attend a range of super-curriculars that they’ve tracked down themselves, but those are not the norm, whatever some on MN will say all teens should be like. Those whose parents have got their finger in the jokes and grasped the timescales and done a bit of research online and gently helped their DC understand the timescales and to start thinking about courses and places, do them a favour. In the end the kids have to decide what their course will be and where they like, but I do think parents can help them have fuller info and engage with the process so they have the best chance of finding out what’s available and chance of getting the best of what’s suitable for them.

Georgie8 · 29/10/2023 13:45

From 2025 entry applicants won’t submit full personal statements. Instead they’ll need to answer a series of questions relating to their application and abilities for their chosen course.

I believe this change was to make the process fairer for all students.

Perhaps this is why the school/college hasn’t done anything yet?

Just be aware that courses she looks at now (i.e. for 2024 admission) may have different entry requirements for the 2025 admission, or may even not run. So it’s important to check at the beginning of U6th when the new prospectuses come out.

My daughter found one uni didn’t require Maths for the 2023 cohort but now does -she doesn’t do Maths. Her friend discovered that one uni on her list was no longer even offering her course in 2024.

Dixiechickonhols · 29/10/2023 13:59

Ladybird63 · 29/10/2023 11:57

Following with interest as I don’t have much clue of the process. First child in year 12 which will go to unit in the UK and both DH and I are from overseas.

We are going to visit a couple of universities in November this year to get a start; I prefer not to leave things for last minute.

The application process is basically through UCAS? How many universities they choose? Do they rank them by preference? They don’t have to apply to each university then? I feel a bit ignorant, hopefully DD has more clue.

What things matter for the process apart from predicted grades? Extracurricular activities? Personal statement?

How much support you give your children with the process? Do you let them take the lead? Or help them to look at websites, order prospectus, book open days? Arrange visits to places?

I wasn’t worry about it and thought DD will do it alone with university support but not sure anymore.

Mine’s yr 13.
She did lots of her research at school they have a lesson a week skills & choices.
Easter ish yr 12 she was at point where she knew what grades she was getting regularly, knew what course she wanted and knew her preference was move away from home and a city.
We looked at Universities together and various lists like complete university guide. Sat and booked open days together in her name/email.
I found doing open days all bunched together in June/July yr 12 less than ideal especially with me working ft - with hindsight would have done some yr 12 autumn. All the travel is tiring and expensive and school had their mock exams they base uni predictions on in June and weren’t particularly understanding re time off.
All the open days we’ve been at have had parents in tow.
Most important yr 12 was getting the predicted grades.
DD’s school also did yr 12 work experience and EPQ - both these were geared to her choice of course so she could put in PS.
You can choose up to 5. You don’t rank them. You don’t need to visit but what looked good on paper wasn’t a hit once we visited with some.

mushroom3 · 29/10/2023 14:03

I've done this 3 times. I think it's worth thinking about choices after GCSEs in year 11. Starting to narrow down subject and type of University eg city large or small or countryside campus, collegiate or not. Maybe visiting 1 or 2 local ones then. Autumn of year 12 visit a couple of choices and a couple in summer of year 12 and any remaining ones early in year 13. We visited 6 or 7 in total. You may have some surprises (eg DC2 didn't like UEA and decided, after that, city Unis only and DC3 didn't like Warwick even though it's very strong for their subject). Before you go and book, look at cost of living in the city, availability of university accommodation for firm/insurance first year students and course contents. Book train tickets and accommodation well in advance and choose accommodation you can cancel if plans change (eg train strikes).

For cheap train tickets, if your DC has a summer birthday, it's worth buying a Friends and Family railcard shortly before their 16th birthday as they will travel as a child and adults traveling with them will get 1/3 off fares. Once 16, get a 2 together railcard for the adult and child going to open days as you will both get 1/3 off. If your child is going to open day/offer holders days with friends, it's worth getting them a 16-17 railcard if they are under 18 as they will get 50% off rail fares. Also use split ticketing sites for longer journeys.

Fizbosshoes · 29/10/2023 14:03

Enjoy the process. That phase of visiting university cities with DC and seeing them thinking it through can be a lovely bonding experience. Don’t try to do too much in a day or weekend….doing 2 in a weekend might be okay once, but most people find that exhausting. And there might be a cheap way to do it all, but I didn’t find it! Train fares, petrol, nights at the Premier Inn, lunches, the odd evening meal….it all added up and I can totally see it’s another barrier to equal access. Where we could do the journey in a day, we did, but there were some we had to stay overnight at. We used the opportunity to catch-up with a couple of friends and family members (often the Open Days start at 9/9.30 and it’s Sod’s Law that the talk you want to go to will be first) and stay at their houses, but also had to have a couple of nights in the Premier Inn too. It sort of became part of our summer holiday plans - some weekends away and we tried to see it as that instead of a chore.

My DD is year 13 and we saw a few unis in the summer and have just done 5 weekends in a row of uni visits, which DH and I have divided between us. Most we tried to do in a day (up to 2.5hrs each way) but some we have stayed in cheap and nasty places overnight. Agree it can add up although some unis offered free food/free lunch which was great and the one we visited last weekend advertised a travel bursary for the open day (of up to £75) However since they advertised it at the open day, some people might have missed it due to travel costs.

As pp have said its a balance of looking at the uni itself, the course, the tutors, what facilities they offer but also accommodation (and cost of) the surrounding area - does it feel a good place to live - and (not everyone thinks this is important) how easy to travel to and from home. DD ruled out one that ticked a lot of boxes but she said the town was too boring

Daisymay2 · 29/10/2023 14:09

I’d think about doing some weekend ones now, spread them out a little, if applying to Oxbridge start of year 13 is too late.
Also look at accommodation in the area, universities do a hard sell on Halls but it’s usually only for freshers. Need to see what is an option for later on and get a vague idea of costs and quality. Drive round the studenty areas.

Dixiechickonhols · 29/10/2023 14:10

Some also do sample lectures on open days - for law DD has done a tort one, a criminal one and and international environmental law one. If they are thinking about a new to them subject at University it’s a good way to get a little more insight.

Dixiechickonhols · 29/10/2023 14:13

Check what school University trips are offered. DD’s only offered one all yr 12 trip to Liverpool plus Oxbridge.

mushroom3 · 29/10/2023 14:13

Something that isn't advertised enough, when you submit your UCAS form in you don't need to put in all choices at once. Others can be added up to the UCAS closing date in January.

falgelednl · 29/10/2023 15:04

This is all really interesting. My DD is in Y12 - is ASD and doesn’t really have much idea of what she wants to do next/career wise. She’s doing maths, biology and economics so playing to her strengths (not essay subjects) but I’m not sure what ‘reading around the subjects’ she should be doing.
I went to uni a LONG time ago and did it all by myself so really pleased to see how okay it is for parents to be much more/very involved these days. I guess that’s partially due to fees (I had a maintenance grant and no fees).
I saw a PP had commented on ASD and uni - I presume they are much more supportive of ND students nowadays?

mushroom3 · 29/10/2023 15:11

Sorry for the above on railcards, you can use the friends and family, if purchased when 15, just before 16th birthday, for the year when they are 16 to travel as a child, so until just before their 17th birthday. We got the 2 together railcard once DC turned 17

Angrymum22 · 29/10/2023 15:47

DS is having a gap year this year and we are doing Uni visits before he applies.
He is now 19 and a bit more worldly wise than 2 yrs ago when they were fresh out of two years lockdown. DH and I had major health issues during DS’s yr12 so Uni visits were not possible.
He now has the luxury of applying with all exams behind him and has been able to see how his friends have been settling in.
Last year a number of friends from the year above dropped out within weeks of starting and DS wanted to make a more informed choice, a lot can change from 16-18.
We have visited a few Unis but spent more time walking around the cities getting a feel for the place. He was advised not to spend much time on the course he wants to take since they are pretty much the same whichever Uni he chooses. And having done one dept the staff looked bored and disinterested, the students were much better to talk to.
DS was much more interested in the feel of the place. He liked Newcastle and Cardiff but has vetoed Birmingham because it’s too close and he’s never been that drawn to the nightlife.
We are lucky that school will support his UCAS and supply the new style reference. Their uni admin tutor also implied that Unis were not particularly interested in personal statements and that they are developing a new questionnaire to replace it. This would level the playing field since personal statements vary considerably depending on the support a school gives.
In addition the applicant can be involved in the part of the reference.
DS has grown up a lot over the last 2 yrs and is actively preparing for Uni at the moment. He is preparing and cooking all his own meals. The main feedback he has had is that the student loan for living doesn’t stretch to ready meals and take always. He shops with me every week with an eye on the cost. He is also doing his own laundry.
He also budgets his nights out so will hopefully be better prepared.
He wasn’t ready to go this year. My DH had a stroke last year which hit him hard, his DGF died last year (not long after DH had stroke) after being bedridden and unable to communicate after a catastrophic stroke in 2021) so loosing both the main male roll models in his life has been hard on him. Although DH is ok the stroke has changed him considerably.
Some teenagers need a bit of breathing space.

WombatChocolate · 29/10/2023 16:07

I agree that for many it’s better not to go straight from school. Those who just don’t know what they want to do can find themselves swept along with everyone else and going because they can’t think of anything else to do. Can be a very expensive mistake…and apparantly the key reason people drop out is because tier course isn’t the right one for them.

I’ve known several who really didn’t know what to do, weren’t sure about uni altogether, toyed with degree apprenticeships and who then finished school/college still not knowing. A year working in a shop or some other job helped them grow up a lot and think more about what they wanted, hear about experiences others were having and then when they applied later that year,or the following year at 19/20 they really wanted it. To the 17/18 year old at college/school it feels like they absolutely must do what the majority are doing and not delay, but a year or two really doesn’t make any difference to most in the longer term.

I also agree that it’s important if visiting to view the city and surrounding area. Campus unis that might be a couple of miles out of town - can be easy to spend the day on campus and not see the city they will probably live in after the first year, or experience the journey in/out that might be a regular daily journey and worth knowing about. Some kids love a campus and some a city. Starting by visiting g one if each often shows them which they like and that helps narrow choices down in itself.

Dixiechickonhols · 29/10/2023 16:09

falgelednl · 29/10/2023 15:04

This is all really interesting. My DD is in Y12 - is ASD and doesn’t really have much idea of what she wants to do next/career wise. She’s doing maths, biology and economics so playing to her strengths (not essay subjects) but I’m not sure what ‘reading around the subjects’ she should be doing.
I went to uni a LONG time ago and did it all by myself so really pleased to see how okay it is for parents to be much more/very involved these days. I guess that’s partially due to fees (I had a maintenance grant and no fees).
I saw a PP had commented on ASD and uni - I presume they are much more supportive of ND students nowadays?

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PettsWoodParadise · 29/10/2023 16:16

DD currently in Y1 at Uni.

  1. Best thing she discovered was essay writing competitions she did early in Y12. It got her on the radar of her college as well as demonstrating her passion. With no personal statements I don’t know if the impact of such competitions changes their worth.

  2. You do not have to go to open days with your YP. DD went on her own or with friends and seemed to get more attention from lecturers amd could ask questions without interference.

  3. there are offer holder days for many Unis but these are not any use for Unis that offer late

  4. it is a huge relief and confidence boost to get some offers on before final mocks. DD got two offers in early November before her December mocks. For her it settled her. Pick a good range of aspirational, realistic and backups.

  5. save money from as as early as you can. YP to get a Saturday job and/or summer job before Uni. I had saved since DD was a baby but I’ve seen so many stories of YP choosing Unis not based on course but on commutable distance from home or cheap living area rather than best fit

  6. if not already doing it cook a meal or two a week for family in school holidays and put own washing on so your YP has one less thing to adjust to

Marie2011 · 29/10/2023 16:55

Look at the area and what there is to do etc. What other activities do they offer? Research how easy it is to get accommodation after the first year and how much it costs. DD is a first year at a uni with colleges but housing in the area is a nightmare. Also consider how easy it is to get home/visit. We ruled out one in Scotland based on this.

MissusS · 29/10/2023 18:05

Before you go to an open day check that there aren’t any minimum GCSE requirements for the course to save a wasted trip 😬.

Bibbetybobbity · 29/10/2023 18:30

I wish I’d known that dd could have held back a couple of uni choices on the ucas form, as long as submitted by the deadline. So get a safe one secured upfront, then can be strategic with any remainders.

And on uni open days, inexplicably they tend to send out the plan for the day with really short notice, so 2-3 days before. Initially I was booking hotels but then I realised that the start time is wayyyy more flexible than they let on, so turning up at say 10am (meaning an early train from home, vs a hotel and train the night before) was totally fine, even if the start time was meant to be 9am. If can comfortably get there on time, obviously that’s ideal, but an hour/half an hour isn’t worth a hotel in my view.

It is also all REALLY expensive!!!! Some unis reimburse some costs, but it’s bloody expensive.

HydrangeaRose · 29/10/2023 18:40

Currently you select 5 unis for non medical and 4 for medicine .
Personal statement is generic and sent to all of the 5 , so you wouldn’t write “ I have always wanted to study in Durham “ as they all see it .
Some offer early , some late , so you don’t firm your 2 final options until you’ve heard from all ( unless they are your preferred 2)
PS carries a lot of weight on oversubscribed courses , 4000 words that need to sell your YP. Every word counts and can take hours and hours with lots of editing. Good luck

Yellowtrouser · 29/10/2023 22:31

I grew up somewhere remote so open days weren't possible. However each year there was a school university trip. We all visited one city uni, 1 campus uni, 1 technical uni, 1 colledge of HE at least. It was a good starting pointing so might be worth covering the different types early.

HardcoreLadyType · 29/10/2023 22:36

Get her to look at the course on the website before going to visit a university.

DD1 and I stayed overnight in Durham, only for her to go to the subject presentation the next morning, and decide she didn’t like the course. We then had to spend the rest of the day in Durham, because we had bought cheap train tickets and couldn’t change them.

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