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Unexpected A level results, not sure about way forward

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Itisadifficulttime · 19/08/2023 10:36

A bit of advice please. DD has always been exceptionally bright through primary and secondary school. She had As across the board in GCSEs.

DD was predicted A* in all her A level subjects. She got DDCC. She lost her firm and insurance choices for software engineering.

We went to clearing and got computer science with foundation year.

But my family think it's better she resit the exams, that she will have those grades on her CV for life and it will affect her obtaining a job in the future.

My questions...

Would the A level results affect her getting a job on graduation? I thought getting her Computer Science with foundation year (with the opportunity to do software in year 2/3) was a really good option.

If she is too resit, how do we go about it? Her school would not let her resit there. Does she go back to school and attend classes everyday or just register with a college and go there to sit the exams next year?

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carryingawatermelon · 19/08/2023 15:34

Sorry your DD is going through this. I wouldn’t advise a re-sit in these circumstances, especially as she’s not sure where she went wrong. It’s tough for her year group as they’ve had so little experience of public exams; unfortunately a lot might have struggled with exam technique more then they realised - whereas in a normal year they’d have developed those skills at GCSE level. I’d advise against the risk of ending up at square 1 next summer.
However, I would recommend asking the school to see how close she was to the upper grade boundaries and request remarks if it seems possible they might go up (but not too close to the next one down). I know it won’t help for this year’s Clearing courses, but it’s still worth it for her CV. Although, like others have said, I’d say there’s every chance she won’t feel any great disadvantage from her exact grades a few years down the line. Good luck.

ididntwanttodoit · 19/08/2023 15:52

A level grades are superseded by university grades.

Aparecium · 19/08/2023 16:41

She's got a place for a course she's happy to do. Move on. A-level grades don't really matter once you've got your degree.

I messed up my A-levels and got an offer through Clearing for a subject I did not want to study. So I went to a resitter college. A complete waste of a year. My friends were moving on and I was demotivated. Ended up with even worse grades. I did get a degree in the end, in a subject that interested me (albeit not the one I had a passion for). The one time since then that I have been asked for my A-level certs was a few weeks ago, applying for a job that requires good literacy and maths, but does not require a degree. I simply said that I have XYZ A-levels and do not have my certificates (which is true enough) and they accepted this. 40y after sitting A-levels, and with an excellent track record in my field, it would daft to insist!

dahliadazed · 20/08/2023 09:52

I just want to add that my DH is a software engineer and not all graduates who join him have done a CS or software engineering degree - some have Maths, physics, engineering. They recruit based on talent.

tooearlyforthis98 · 20/08/2023 10:11

IVFfirsttimer91 · 19/08/2023 10:43

A levels aren’t really of consequence after university to be honest. If she’s happy with the course she is on then I would leave it :)

They are if you apply for certain graduate schemes

Angrymum22 · 20/08/2023 11:18

As someone who used to interview and employ people, I would look at any candidate with GCSEs 2022 and A levels 2023 and totally disregard their results. I would focus more on how they performed at degree level and in interview.

This year of students have had a unique experience of further education. Some have coped others haven’t.

I suspect that the next few years are going to see even more problems. Disruption in yrs7-9 will have had an even bigger impact on core knowledge. Next years A level candidates may have taken GCSEs but with the inflated grades will be in for the same shocks we have seen this week.

In hindsight they should never have given estimated grades. It would have been much fairer to give a reference. Teachers know which pupils are capable of moving forward to A level and recommend that course. Using highly inflated estimated grades was always going to end in disaster for some candidates.

DS was predicted 3Bs and achieved 3Bs. If we hadn’t had the pandemic he would have done better. He totally lost interest after the GCSEs and disappeared down a dark hole of depression. He’s not a geek but is a very able student.
During his yr12 I was diagnosed with breast cancer and his dad had a stroke. He had no chance of refocusing on study and really only got his mojo back in Jan this year.

He deliberately threw one of his Alevels in order to secure a B in psychology, his teacher didn’t think he could, but he worked hard and was delighted with the result. He managed a B in business studies with no revision. We are considering a review in PE because a B was a surprise.

Twelve months ago I very much doubted that he would actually take the exams. To the outside world he appeared a laid back/lazy student who was likely to waste the opportunity. In reality he was a kid who was going through hell, he admitted to me that every time I phoned him he thought it was to tell him his dad had suffered another stroke or had passed away.
He also had a real fear that they were going to cancel the A levels in the same way they cancelled their GCSEs. No amount of reassurance helped.

I would have dearly loved him to reach his potential, he loves exams and doesn’t struggle with anxiety under pressure. His problem was that he had so much going on at home he couldn’t focus at school. His teachers opinion was that he was too quiet and didn’t engage. But he freely admits that for most of yr12 he was on the verge of tears and couldn’t concentrate. He spent one term sitting in the English boys toilets because no one uses them during break or lunch. He found it difficult to control his emotions if people showed concern and very few of his peers knew what was going on.
All of this we knew nothing about nor did the school.
He had suicidal thoughts in early 2021 and got as far as writing a suicide note. It wasn’t a woe is me, just a simple “I can’t do this anymore”. it was an awful time and with what followed I am constantly watching. I recently asked him if he still had intrusive thoughts and his answer was “I’m still here mum”.

So do I care about his grades, no, I’m pleased that he is taking a year out. Hopefully he sees off the demons and can start looking forward.

Looking at clearing even the RG unis were seriously reducing grades in response to results so hopefully DS’s grades will be considered in context in 2024.
Now we are going to do as many open days as possible, we couldn’t do any last year. Also feed back from his friends will help.
Sorry about the ramble but it has been a little cathartic to put it down in writing.

Angrymum22 · 20/08/2023 11:19

That should have said GCSEs 2021

OnRose · 20/08/2023 11:22

Hope you daughter feels better soon. My kids and there friends are no all in there mid to late 20s and it's amazing how unexpected events such as bad A-Level grades come out in the wash.

One lad I know did badly and went to Uni similar to those your daughter is considering and is now doing a PhD at Manchester. There are loads of other similar examples. Your daughter is intelligent and she has worked hard for her A levels, these are qualities that puts her ahead of many other students. Ok so the A levels didn't go to plan but that doesn't mean she has suddenly become unintelligent over night.

BTW, Royal Holloway is dead at the weekend. I know some kids who enjoyed it but it's not a typical uni.

mondaytosunday · 20/08/2023 11:26

@Angrymum22 so sorry to hear of your son's difficulties and your own health issues. He did amazingly well to get his grades - and now seems to be able to look to the future. All the best.

Itisadifficulttime · 20/08/2023 13:09

@Angrymum22 , well done to your son. And thank you for sharing that. Wish him (and you all) all the best.

Also reassuring to read from various pp that the A level results would not be a determinant in every scenario in her future career ambitions.

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burnoutbabe · 20/08/2023 13:38

I suppose the issue is also

If she did so badly in the a levels and couldn't do homework why will that suddenly change when doing the degree?

So she could well end up struggling and cone out with a very low degree.

So I'd want to know what happened and how that could be fixed?

JaukiVexnoydi · 20/08/2023 13:51

This isn't going to be an unusual story for this cohort. Doing a degree with a foundation year is better than resitting A-levels and then doing the degree without the foundation, so long as the foundation degree is at a reasonably good quality institution. The foundation year is specifically designed to get someone without the required entry criteria for the main degree up to the required standard specifically for that degree. Retaking A-levels will include a lot of boring revision of stuff they have learned before and don't particularly need for their degree.

Angrymum22 · 20/08/2023 21:44

Itisadifficulttime · 20/08/2023 13:09

@Angrymum22 , well done to your son. And thank you for sharing that. Wish him (and you all) all the best.

Also reassuring to read from various pp that the A level results would not be a determinant in every scenario in her future career ambitions.

Thank you. I have had to be very careful with my rear lotion to his grades. But realistically I knew he’d be very lucky to get his predicted grades with the scant work he actually did. I would say he coasted but pre Covid he worked hard and was very organised about homework. He was at a selective private school and never struggled with the accelerated pace, he was top set for most subjects apart from maths and school has always had a fluid policy with setting.
He would spend up to 2 hours completing homework on the day it was set so he kept his weekends free. The pandemic just sent him if the rails. We know he is capable but he just needs to refocus. I’m hoping that finding a job and having to organise himself will help. It’s funny but if he sets himself a project, for example fitness training for sport, he will stick to a schedule and is very strict with himself. So he does have it in him.
We have never had any problems with him behaviour wise but it has been heartbreaking watch him just loose hope.
I do worry that when his friends all disappear off to Uni he’s going to struggle, fortunately he is very good at socialising so hopefully he will find a new “gang”.
He will have no problem at Uni though unlike a couple of his mates.

Angrymum22 · 20/08/2023 21:44

Rear lotion - reaction

Tracker1234 · 20/08/2023 21:51

That is a massive drop. Three A then this.. something has gone horribly wrong. Has the school hugely inflated the grades and what does DD think went wrong? Three A’s are very difficult to get in different subjects.

viques · 20/08/2023 21:58

I wonder why her grades fell so badly against prediction? Does she have any idea? Have other people in her subjects had similar results which could be down to poor teaching, or preparation, or is t just her. Did she panic in the exams or has she simply not understood exam techniques sufficiently well. She might be one of those people who simply fall apart in exams, in which case I would encourage her to accept the course she has been offered, but make sure that she flags up to the university that she has a problem with exams, they can be very supportive and offer solutions such as a quiet room to take exams in, counselling to deal with stress and help with calming strategies.

unless you understand why the grades fell so drastically there is no point in her retaking imo.

Itisadifficulttime · 20/08/2023 22:01

Thanks @viques , the next few days would bring some clarification, I hope. Thank you for your post.

@Angrymum22 😁 @ rear lotion.

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Itisadifficulttime · 20/08/2023 22:03

Thank you everyone for your post. I apologise I can not respond to everyone individually.
But I appreciate every response.

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viques · 20/08/2023 22:04

cestlavielife · 19/08/2023 13:38

The universities we got in clearing were Hull, Leicester and Royal Holloway.

All good options
Why not take one?

All very good universities! A lot of people will have had these as first choices and been very happy at their offers!

mrwalkensir · 20/08/2023 22:09

From what I remember, Hull is better than you'd expect - with the gaming course, hardly anybody graduates as they get job offers in year 2, which nobbles their rating on the post-grad tables.

throughgrittedteeth · 20/08/2023 22:50

OnRose · 20/08/2023 11:22

Hope you daughter feels better soon. My kids and there friends are no all in there mid to late 20s and it's amazing how unexpected events such as bad A-Level grades come out in the wash.

One lad I know did badly and went to Uni similar to those your daughter is considering and is now doing a PhD at Manchester. There are loads of other similar examples. Your daughter is intelligent and she has worked hard for her A levels, these are qualities that puts her ahead of many other students. Ok so the A levels didn't go to plan but that doesn't mean she has suddenly become unintelligent over night.

BTW, Royal Holloway is dead at the weekend. I know some kids who enjoyed it but it's not a typical uni.

I want to echo this - my best friend wanted to be a doctor, she got BBB in her a levels, which was a huge shock for her after expecting A*s. She took a year out and found something else to focus on (pharmacology) it changed the whole trajectory of her life and now she works and lives in New York.

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