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Medicine 2025 entry

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HGC2 · 29/03/2023 13:34

Inspired and slightly terrified reading the 2023 entry threads and how much prep has to go into a medicine application!

DC wants to do medicine, probably in Scotland as a Scottish student, doing well at school but this doesn't seem to be enough! School has little / no experience of applications for medicine as a not fantastic state school!

Can anyone advise what work experience / volunteering they will need (currently volunteering at sports club with hope of job)
what are the spreadsheets that people talk about?
How do you strategically apply?

I have one child at uni and they just applied and got a place, this seems like a whole other level!

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Kosenrufugirl · 17/06/2024 19:57

Kosenrufugirl · 17/06/2024 17:02

The entry process is challenging and the medical schools don't only look at exam results. I know a couple of doctors who followed this route. They worked in hospital as a healthcare assistants first. This did them well at the interview stage. Good academic results are a must. However even academically gifted people still get turned down for medical school places.

Further to the earlier post... slightly irrelevant however I thought I would mention. I wanted to be a midwife, competition was 20 applicants to a place. I had 3 volunteering positions, got 5 rejections at the interview stage. I then got a job as a healthcare assistant at a local hospital. Reapplied, got 4 offers, didn't bother going to the last interview as I had got into a uni of my choice. One of the healthcare assistants I knew definitely got the medical school place. I am not 100% certain about the second one. I remember her saying she was resitting some exams to boost her grades . I suppose I got in once I knew the realities of working for NHS. I still work as a midwife. I wouldn't advise my children to go into medicine, the conditions are crap. By the way, I only trained for 3 years, my pay is better than a junior doctor. There are so many opportunities for midwives and nurses, please tell your DC to explore all options. If their motivation is to help people a good nurse or midwife can make a tremendous difference. There are so many opportunities for progression. I hope it helps and good luck

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 17/06/2024 19:57

Karolinska · 16/06/2024 22:22

I completely see that university doesn't matter in one sense. But my own DS phoned this evening and I asked him this exact question about the recent round for the specialty registrar posts and he said that at a party on Friday every single one of his Oxford friends at the party - a sizeable group; it was a birthday party for an old uni friend - 100% - had got their first choice of job on the pathway (the stage which enables you to apply for consultant posts at the end of the four years).

This is a single cohort and those stats say something pretty revealing about the quality of the group. Obviously one sample but I very much doubt DS's cohort was much different from the cohorts immediately before or after. So one can claim it doesn't matter which uni - that no uni is a barrier to success - but that is slightly disingenuous and ignores the very high success rates for certain unis. A number of these applied for the most competitive specialties too: London cardiology etc. (Tbf most were London).

And I'm not sure why it should be a problem. We want the brightest minds to get to the top positions in the NHS. It's good that the siphon seems to work that way.

Brightest minds will depend on context.

A student achieving grade As in a school in a deprived area but without access to resources that cost may not be able to gain their place at med school. That doesn’t mean they are not bright. I would say they are brighter.

mumsneedwine · 17/06/2024 20:11

@Pinkfluffypencilcase you see my students struggle v clearly. It's why I do my job. To level that playing field as much as we can.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 17/06/2024 21:06

mumsneedwine · 17/06/2024 20:11

@Pinkfluffypencilcase you see my students struggle v clearly. It's why I do my job. To level that playing field as much as we can.

Yes I do see. @mumsneedwine it’s incredibly frustrating.

And experience it too. I get sent emails for amazing resources with fabulous success rates. Then I check the cost and it’s prohibitive for them. Free is truly accessible.

mumsneedwine · 17/06/2024 21:11

@Pinkfluffypencilcase we have UCAT sessions paid for by our local (v expensive) private school. It counts for their charity status.
And I've blagged many a free course by getting it sponsored by some rich local person hoping to look good. Elections seem to help with this 😂.
I'm nothing if not brazen at asking for help.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 17/06/2024 21:26

That sounds incredible @mumsneedwine. You clearly have the motivation and passion to help your students achieve. Phenomenal!

mumsneedwine · 17/06/2024 21:27

@Pinkfluffypencilcase think I just hate unfairness. And am so old now I don't care who I annoy 😂

ColouringPencils · 17/06/2024 22:32

@maybemedmum good to know you had a good experience at Leeds. We thought about going to the open day, but had too much going on last week. We are going to Sheffield and York this weekend. There are loads of open days this weekend. Anyone else going anywhere?

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 17/06/2024 22:41

mumsneedwine · 17/06/2024 21:27

@Pinkfluffypencilcase think I just hate unfairness. And am so old now I don't care who I annoy 😂

Yes me too. I must follow suit and not care about annoying people.

Karolinska · 17/06/2024 23:44

Well you haven’t annoyed me at all but you are pretty wide of the mark if you think students at Oxford these days are all privileged. It’s pretty insulting to those students who have achieved against significant odds. It’s also insulting to the teams at Oxford who work tirelessly to improve access, and have done so for years.

Karolinska · 17/06/2024 23:49

My own DS bought no materials beyond a single book to help with BMAT. As far as I know the school paid for the test too - I was certainly never asked to pay. I’m slightly horrified when I read on these threads of expensive extras that people buy. A good student only needs the absolute basics.

Karolinska · 17/06/2024 23:51

Kosenrufugirl · 17/06/2024 19:57

Further to the earlier post... slightly irrelevant however I thought I would mention. I wanted to be a midwife, competition was 20 applicants to a place. I had 3 volunteering positions, got 5 rejections at the interview stage. I then got a job as a healthcare assistant at a local hospital. Reapplied, got 4 offers, didn't bother going to the last interview as I had got into a uni of my choice. One of the healthcare assistants I knew definitely got the medical school place. I am not 100% certain about the second one. I remember her saying she was resitting some exams to boost her grades . I suppose I got in once I knew the realities of working for NHS. I still work as a midwife. I wouldn't advise my children to go into medicine, the conditions are crap. By the way, I only trained for 3 years, my pay is better than a junior doctor. There are so many opportunities for midwives and nurses, please tell your DC to explore all options. If their motivation is to help people a good nurse or midwife can make a tremendous difference. There are so many opportunities for progression. I hope it helps and good luck

Excellent post - thanks.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 18/06/2024 00:00

Karolinska · 17/06/2024 23:49

My own DS bought no materials beyond a single book to help with BMAT. As far as I know the school paid for the test too - I was certainly never asked to pay. I’m slightly horrified when I read on these threads of expensive extras that people buy. A good student only needs the absolute basics.

Most of my students wouldn’t be able to pay for books. We try to provide as best we can. But that tends to be basics of travel and lunches/ breakfast.

Some are capable and aspirational but there’s too much stacked against them.

Karolinska · 18/06/2024 00:19

A single book. He worked in a cafe at weekends from Y9. Maybe some of your kids could try that too if they don't already. Initiative is essential as a doctor.

Our (state) school had a very progressive programme to help less well off students so had DS not been able to afford the book (not at all an expensive book - just a paperback) then the school would have stepped in for something like that: bought copies for the library and made sure that the Y12s in question had access first.

Ours was one of the poorest funded schools in the country back then under the old funding formula. If they can do it so can other schools. This sort of thing requires a pro-active SLT. Hand wringing is ineffective for those kids who need help.

Karolinska · 18/06/2024 00:23

I mean, if we're talking about annoying then weak SLT's and weak teachers: boy, do those annoy me (especially the former - after all they shouldn't shelter the latter).

I was fortunate to be able to observe a top class HT work magic for his students with minimal funding. A HT with a towering social conscience and phenomenal vision. An absolute privilege to watch over a long stretch of years.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 18/06/2024 00:25

That does sound good.

In my place there’s too many competing needs. A lot of SEND students, care leavers and asylum seekers. It’s tough. We do our best to prop up.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 18/06/2024 00:26

Well done to your son. He must be exceptional.

Karolinska · 18/06/2024 00:31

That's kind Pinkfluffypencilcase thanks. He's lucky to be naturally bright and he's incredibly good with people.

Needmoresleep · 18/06/2024 04:50

Experiences seem very different, which may reflect the different contracts in different parts of the UK, and different approaches within deaneries. DD’s struggle is with working conditions. She does a lot of hours, lots of “longs”, and a lot of nights, so despite low pay per hour (and the senior medic carrying out her recent appraisal was completely unaware of the hourly rate) she is taking home a lot. She is in a very low cost area, and earns more than many young professionals, and because of the hours has fewer opportunities to spend. There is frustration about the Union focus on pay rates. In her area there are no PAs, a staff shortage at all levels from F1s through to consultants, and lots of locum shifts available. She rarely takes them as she is doing enough already, but others do and the pay per hour can be very good. A school friend has stayed in London, where costs are higher and where the gap in earnings between medics and their peers who went into the City/law is stark. However her friend has fewer contracted hours and no nights. The important thing is that though the first few months were challenging, DD has grown in confidence and seems very happy.

So a bit like medical schools, deaneries offer different experiences. Not better or worse, but different. DD would make the same choice again, as would her London based friend. Equally both have different strengths (her friend is a gifted mathematician, reflected in her choice of intercalation, and could well end up in quite an academic role) so will continue to make different career choices. Again not better or worse, but about fit. It is worth looking at medical schools and courses closely. So much now depends on UCAT that not everyone will have the luxury of choice, but others will. DD is dyslexic so ruled Oxbridge out; producing regular essays was not for her. At 17 she wanted to get away from London though her later intercalation suggests that the sciency culture at Imperial might have suited her more than Bristol. More unexpected was her decision, post Covid, to look for something very different and her F2 will be in a busy hospital serving a large rural catchment. Not better or worse. A London teaching hospital would mean exposure to national experts and tertiary referrals, but (right or wrong) staff and budget shortages mean that she and her F2 colleagues get lots of broader experience and responsibility.

Obviously the hope is that, assuming she performs well, taking a different route will not disadvantage her when it comes to applying for the next step.

Back to the original question. Another thing worth considering if your DC have a choice, and especially if money is tight, are placements. Bristol was good in having access to a number of hospitals, so in your final 3 years you could spend half in the City, half out. Placement accommodation was free and those with less money (including graduates with no access to the SLC) were able to negotiate more out placements, balancing those who for health or other reasons needed to stay in Bristol. My understanding is that this contrasted with, say, Peninsula who also used Taunton hospital but whose students stayed there for a year and had to find their own accommodation. Bristol also had a great variety of GP placements from one serving the homeless population to the seriously rural. DD could get to her first year’s placement by public transport but it meant leaving her flat each Thursday at 6.00am. (Wednesday nights were sports nights out, so not ideal.) We folded and bought DD a small car. The University paid her to give lifts to others which covered running costs, but it was an upfront expense she would not have had in some other places.

Sloejelly · 18/06/2024 06:41

How have people got on booking the UCAT? I was on at 6am but hardly anything for July and nothing for the dates we wanted locally at 6:05am so we will have to travel. Was wondering if the dates were never offered or if booked out in under five minutes?

mumsneedwine · 18/06/2024 06:48

@Sloejelly more will likely come up so keep checking the website. The centres are used for all sorts of things so are busy at all times. But usually spaces appear if you are brave enough to wait.

Sloejelly · 18/06/2024 07:06

mumsneedwine · 18/06/2024 06:48

@Sloejelly more will likely come up so keep checking the website. The centres are used for all sorts of things so are busy at all times. But usually spaces appear if you are brave enough to wait.

Thanks. DC is away and I was given three specific dates to book so not brave enough to wait! I looked at the three closest centres and only one option matched those dates - an hour away. DC is away the week after and doesn’t want to do it after they get back as wants to enjoy time away.

HGC2 · 18/06/2024 07:26

We got booked but local test centre has only one test a week it seems!

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Justlikingit · 18/06/2024 07:36

DD said her friends were struggling to book. She managed to book hers just before heading out to school, she wanted August and managed a date close enough to when she wanted and only 20 mins from home too.

ColouringPencils · 18/06/2024 07:45

DD just booked the last space in August at our nearest test centre. Madness! Her teacher had told her to be quick, but I thought that meant if you wanted a specific week, not any place at all.