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Which unis to think twice about due to housing shortages or cost in Y2 and 3?

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Windingriver · 25/03/2023 01:01

DC is using this as one of their filters when shortlisting unis. Durham has expanded so much and student housing not kept pace - we saw the queues outside estate agents in the news last November! Manchester has issues too apparently? Perhaps it would be more helpful if I listed where DC considering and you could flag up if any issues with getting housing in years 2 and 3 of degree?

Warwick
Bristol
Exeter
newcastle
liverpool
exeter
birmingham
sheffield
surrey
reading
nottingham

Thank you in advance!

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AvySt · 25/03/2023 15:04

Edinburgh, unless they have sorted out the Airbnb market which pushes prices so high and leaves lack of quality too, for students.
Last year, £700 per month per student, for a flat sleeping 5. It was above a row of restaurants. Flat was really run down. So drafty that when talking online with my DD, as her hair rustled, I asked if she had left a window open ( no, that was the wind coming through the gap in the frame...).
Flat had been divided up to make 5 bedrooms, meaning that the only living space was a kitchen, only big enough for a two seater sofa.

extramaturecheddarcheese · 25/03/2023 15:09

York housing is about £180 per week from September and not enough of it. Uni accommodation slightly cheaper but very hard to get hold of, although they do accept 2nd and 3rd years in halls, if they get lucky.

iaapap · 25/03/2023 15:21

The housing pressure is quite heavy on the housing stock in Exeter for 2/3 yrs. So the prices are being driven up and there is a fair bit of building work going on.

Needmoresleep · 25/03/2023 15:32

I am a landlord so am seeing the issues from the other side. The trade body are engaged is urgent debate with the government over the availability of private rental property for students. Apparently 25% of students are in private rental accommodation.

Already loss of mortgage relief has driven landlords from the sector. (Apparently the government actually lost money by increasing taxes.) Then the expansion of HMO licensing. I understand that in Greenwich Borough alone the introduction of selective licensing led to a loss of 75% of rental properties falling under the provisions. (People let to single families instead or sold up or ignored the new requirements.)

The new threat is the loss of fixed term tenancies, which the Government plans to introduce soon, and which Universities, the NUS etc are starting to realise will cause major problems. If a landlord cannot guarantee that his current student tenants will leave at the end of a 12 fixed term, he cannot let to new students for the next academic year.

There is a general assumption that private landlords are bad and that they need to have ever increasing regulation. Trouble is that at various points in people's lives they may wish to live in private rental accommodation. If landlords have too great a tax and regulatory burden, and too few means of regaining their property if they need to, they will leave the sector.

(And there ends my speech on behalf of the landlord party!)

Pourmeanotherwine · 25/03/2023 15:36

DD has had no issues in Warwick. She picked one of the cheapest halls in first year, which was fine. This year she's in a 5 person house in Leamington, and they are keeping the same house next year. I think Warwick is one of the more affordable options. DD2 is looking at Brighton and Bournemouth for an Art based course, and the halls are more expensive than Warwick.

gogohmm · 25/03/2023 15:40

Leicester is easy and reasonably priced. Bristol is a nightmare by all accounts. Not heard of issues at Warwick, Nottingham or Newcastle

gogohmm · 25/03/2023 15:43

Leicester is also particularly good for private halls in other years and if they prefer a self contained bedsit, cheaper than many other cities. The additional needs departments was good

clary · 25/03/2023 15:58

I said that about Warwick. I know it is near Coventry but Google tells me it's 4 miles away, which is further than i would want to walk every day. Also I wouldn't call Coventry a big city like Sheffield or Birmingham or Nottingham tbh.

I'm not saying there is an issue finding a student house at Warwick btw, just that it is likely to be a bus ride away. This may not be an issue but it's good to know, that's all. Former students at Warwick of my acquaintance recall thus as a bit of a PITA. Not a reason not to go there tho (one of my dc loved Warwick and firmed it).

PritiPatelsMaker · 25/03/2023 16:03

Bristol and Manchester. Manchester treated their students appallingly during lockdown and there are stories of students being offered accommodation in Liverpool.

Bristol was in the news for giving students accommodation in Newport, Gwent.

clary · 25/03/2023 16:04

@SmartHome jn repkh to your query - lower end is about £4k per year fir basic room in halls, shared bathroom, probs not v big. This was ds2 at Lboro last year and it was fine. Many unis have something similar on offer but not all, esp those with more recently built halls with en suite.

Top end would be catered Hall with en suite - maybe £9k upwards. Or about 7-8k fir non catered.

MyriadOfTravels · 25/03/2023 16:07

Sheffield is good for accommodation but they need to find their flat in October-November in Y1 for Y2!
dc had no issue finding a place and nit too expensive either. It seems that most student flats are in similar area too.

PerpetualOptimist · 25/03/2023 16:08

Hi @SmartHome, I use the benchmark of the full loan (living away from home outside London and available to those students with domiciled parental household on low income) of £9,706 and see where the most abundantly available first year uni accommodation and typical private rents in second and third years gets you.

On this basis, you can live within that budget, across your uni degree, in the cheaper Midland and North of England cities and towns. It is much harder to do so in the South generally; that makes intuitive sense but means those on tight budgets (students and parents) need to be aware. Students don't necessarily have to change choices but will have to have a plan to deal with the inevitable financial shortfall, so being aware and talking about, as we are here, is very sensible.

People will say that, even in 'expensive' locations, there are cheaper options and whilst that is the case, the cheaper option often is not really what might have been reasonably expected when digesting the various unis' marketing output. Did you select St Andrews to live in Dundee? Probably not. Did you realise that U of York has very little budget first year accommodation so you may have to take an expensive ensuite on the East campus? Probably not.

In relation to your specific questions re: Southampton and Lancaster, I'd suggest you take a look at the accommodation pages on the respective uni websites. These will give some sensible benchmark costs and links to SUSU lettings and Lancaster University Homes. The good news is that both unis have abundant first year accommodation, to the extent they can guarantee accommodation for those putting their uni as 'insurance'; Lancaster also guarantees campus accommodation for 4th years returning from placements and has also worked hard, alongside Uni of Cumbria, to ensure a sensible supply of uni-owned, private and institution stock on a 'whole-of-town' basis; this puts Durham - another small town with a large student population - to shame, to be honest.

SmartHome · 25/03/2023 16:09

Thank you, that's really helpful. Basic maintenance loan is 4.5K ish right. Is it reasonable then (outside of London) to say we will top up by paying the rent, then student has to live off the loan and get a part time job for anything else? Or is that too mean?

cptartapp · 25/03/2023 16:10

DS1 is at Nottingham. No problems finding accommodation, it seems plentiful. He has friends at Manchester who were were sending students to Preston and Liverpool last year.

SmartHome · 25/03/2023 16:15

Thank you Perpetual, cross post, that is really helpful. I didn't know what the full/maximum loan was so if it's let call it 10k. Us paying rent and then living off the 4.5K loan with a part time job for extras doesnt seem too bad. I think I lived off a 2K bursary in London when I was doing my masters but I did have a part time job and it was awhile ago so it's hard to remember what is realistic, or not.

Almostwelsh · 25/03/2023 16:16

My daughter is at Manchester. There was an issue with a shortage of first year accommodation but she did get a place in halls, although not in her first choice. The en suite accommodation is expensive, but her block is old fashioned and pretty cheap.

She has had no trouble getting a shared house for year 2. I think she will pay about 130 per week but that includes bills. The house looks in a good state of repair from the pictures I've seen and has a living room area next to the kitchen.

Jng1 · 25/03/2023 16:18

DS is at Exeter. Student halls (non-catered) in first year were £167/ week all in.

Now in private rental for about the same, but not including bills. There's the usual panic about getting the big 6-8 bed student houses, but there is enough accommodation at the end of the day. I was there recently and there were student 'to let for 2023' signs up in some roads.
Also lots of purpose-built student accommodation which attracts the foreign students and those looking for something a bit more 'well-appointed'.

DS doesn't have a part-time job, but some of his flatmates do.

SmartHome · 25/03/2023 16:25

What does catered accomodation actually mean outside of Oxbridge? Does it mean a dining hall onsite with set meal times? I can't imagine that is very popular with home students at least?

Christmascracker0 · 25/03/2023 16:29

Edinburgh is really difficult to rent in.

Glasgow was fine when I was a student but that was 10 years ago now 😂

Tree543 · 25/03/2023 16:39

SmartHome · 25/03/2023 16:25

What does catered accomodation actually mean outside of Oxbridge? Does it mean a dining hall onsite with set meal times? I can't imagine that is very popular with home students at least?

Of the ones we have looked at Nottingham and Loughborough had dining halls on site with meal times. Birmingham and Bath had Meal plans were you get credit and can spend in a number of cafes across halls and campus

So1invictus · 25/03/2023 16:40

SmartHome · 25/03/2023 16:25

What does catered accomodation actually mean outside of Oxbridge? Does it mean a dining hall onsite with set meal times? I can't imagine that is very popular with home students at least?

At Bath it's in the form of food credits to use at the campus eateries. Not sure about anywhere else.

gogohmm · 25/03/2023 16:43

@SmartHome

Dd was at Southampton, no issues with 2nd year accommodation. Ensuite halls were about £160 a week

bguthb90 · 25/03/2023 16:44

SmartHome · 25/03/2023 16:25

What does catered accomodation actually mean outside of Oxbridge? Does it mean a dining hall onsite with set meal times? I can't imagine that is very popular with home students at least?

At Durham it's dining halls in the colleges. 3 meals a day and a great way to meet others during the first term.

Same for Bristol in some of their North Village halls I believe

HighlandCowbag · 25/03/2023 16:54

Dd is at Durham in 1st year, so in catered accommodation. Next year they have a house, described by dd as a 'hobbits crackden'. 5 sharing and £184 pppw. They started looking mid October and was very stressful.

She is seriously considering changing uni, she isn't sure how she will afford to live and pay rent. She is struggling with her course as it is, having to work part time will make it even more difficult and we aren't in a position to help beyond what we already do.

She has friends at Sheffield and they paying between £80-100 pppw for next year.

With hindsight we should have looked closer at stuff like accommodation, contact hours, module choices etc but she was pushed by school to apply for Durham, as an aspirational choice and got in so was a bit of a shock to the system in results day when she got (above actually) the grades she needed.

She's heard through the student grapevine 3rd yr will be even worse due to the increase in students they are taking. Even some of the uni rooms were apparently singles in previous years but been made into doubles.

I would say that accommodation for 2nd and 3rd year is a really big issue to consider and certainly one we should have looked at beyond first year. We naively thought it would be about the same price as 1st yr.

RampantIvy · 25/03/2023 18:22

That sounds really difficult @HighlandCowbag. I read so often on higher education forums about schools pushing students to particular destinations so that it looks good for their statistics. They never have the best interests of the students at heart.

DD graduated last year from Newcastle. Her first year halls rental was £134 pw (2019 - 2020). Her house share rental last year was £94 pw with bills on top.

What does catered accomodation actually mean outside of Oxbridge?

@SmartHome the only catered halls at Newcastle had set meal times and meant that it was a rush to get back for the evening meal after a late lecture. IMO it is rather pointless paying for catered if you are never going to get up for breakfast in this set up.

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