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St Andrews and Aberystwyth - disparity

67 replies

Plateglass · 06/03/2023 18:25

DN is at St Andrews and loving it. When she applied, literally no one warned her off by commenting on how small and remote it is.

DS (with less stellar predicted grades) has applied to Aberystwyth and is planning on firming it. Cue literally everyone we know saying how small and remote it is. It is driving him crackers (and yes he has visited).

Thoughts?

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TizerorFizz · 07/03/2023 17:19

St A is second in the most students from private schools list. Aber - possibly nearer the bottom. Distance doesn’t really matter if you want to be at St A. Doesn’t feel as remote as Wales. Definitely not if you are on East Coast Rail.

Large universities do have smaller halls of residence. They might have seminar groups. They don’t really feel larger. Small snd fluffy isn’t really a thing at university.

Tiggernpoo · 08/03/2023 15:08

I went to St Andrews and my DSis went to Aber....now this was a long time ago but back then the vibe was completely different. I spent 4 years attending balls and partaking in quaint traditions - I was surrounded by lots of posh people....meanwhile my DSis spent 4 years at raves, taking lots of drugs and ended up living in a tented commune (after dropping out) - she was surrounded by lots of welsh speaking people. Both of us had a great time and would claim we had more fun than the other!! Not sure what its like at either place now but just a word of warning that seaside towns are not all the same....

ChristinaAlber · 09/03/2023 09:50

St A is far better known as a uni - not least because of William and Kate (still). Aber isn't well known. Why give a hoot if your ds likes it?

Slimjimtobe · 09/03/2023 09:52

Your son knows his own mind- this is a life lesson for him to not listen to others.

I hope he has a fantastic time - I know someone who went to Aberystwyth and loved it!!

NotDavidTennant · 09/03/2023 10:01

Aber is a two hour drive away from the nearest city (Swansea). It is definitely more remote than St A.

LanadelSlay · 09/03/2023 10:12

Well, I visited St Andrew's with dd last year when touring unis and she hated it because it was tiny and remote, nearest proper nightlife in Dundee (ahem), sin contrast he loved Edinburgh because it was big and lots of trains to get you all over the country. I imagine she'd hate Aberystwyth for the same reasons. But I wouldn't have been rude to your dn or your ds about their preferences and pointed out these issues, because exactly what she disliked other people love and if you haven't noticed that neither are super easy to get to from large tranches of the country then you're not really university material. Who cares what anyone else says, if your ds liked the vibe then it's for him.

lifebythemountains · 09/03/2023 10:16

Can't speak from a uni perspective, but I lived and work in Aberystwyth. It's definitely not a city! It is a small town, in the centre there's a big Tesco and M&S, a small retail area with matalan, pets at home, Iceland etc, on the outskirts there's Morrisons band another retail area with a Charlie's, Currys, Halfords, B&M. There's a Next in the same general area. The high street is struggling and is mainly just empty units, charity shops and coffee shops/cafes though there is still a New look and one independent clothes shop. There is decent night life, lots of pubs, some nice bars and restaurants and a standard sweat dripping off ceiling night club on the Pier. Definitely not comparable to a city in any aspect though.

It's a slower way of life than when I lived in Surrey 1000%. You do feel sort of far away from everything but I love it here. If you have any specific questions I can help with just ask.

lifebythemountains · 09/03/2023 10:16

Live and work*

boys3 · 09/03/2023 14:43

Whilst my DS really enjoys being at Uni in Aberystwyth there is no getting away from the fact that it is remote, and more so than St.Andrews given that is roughly 50 miles from Edinburgh, a similar distance from Oxford to central London.

However its remoteness I would suggest is part of its charm. It is clearly not a "city" or even a moderately sized town in terms of population (less than 20,000). However compared to many towns of a similar size, very few of which of course have a long established university, I'd suggest it has far more amenities and probably a far better retail and hospitality offer. And possibly uniquely a M&S with a clothing range that I might actually be tempted to buy something from. I'd also give a big shout out to Driftwood Designs, but do prefer the much larger Charlies at Welshpool to the one in Aber. Having been in Aber just a couple of weeks back I think, compared to probably most similar sized towns in the UK, @lifebythemountains is painting an overly bleak picture in terms of boarded up shops. I have always found Aber, in the time that DS has been there, to have a quite eclectic and wide-ranging retail offer. Hinterland is also quite good at presenting a slightly bleaker picture though. Something in the Welsh psyche perhaps?

We are east of the Pennines so it is a fairly lengthy journey, and with single carriageway road only (not counting the couple of miles of Newtown bypass) once past Shrewsbury. Although roads in mid Wales seem to have far fewer potholes than the lunar like driving landscape in England. However we have found Telford to be fairly good journey, and have used the station there, just a few minutes off the M54, to pick up / drop off DS at, allowing him to do the rest of the journey on a direct train.

Apparently in Wales it is a Category 7 settlement. Who knew. www.understandingwelshplaces.wales/en/compare/W38000133/

If your DC likes it and the course is what he wants to do @Plateglass I'd advise him to continue to ignore any naysayers.

fussychica · 31/03/2023 17:57

DS went to Aber a few years ago and was very happy there. It is a bit remote and the transport links are poor but the townserves student well and is very safe. As people don't generally go home at weekends the social life is good. He went there because the course was very highly rated and exactly what he was looking for.
He went back a few weeks ago with some mates he met at Uni and said it's actually a bit more upmarket than when he attended.😄

fussychica · 31/03/2023 17:59

Someone mentioned Hinterland. DS appeared in one of the episodes as a student, so no acting required!

blackpearwhitelilies · 01/04/2023 20:32

Aberystwyth is remote and people are going to go on about it. But if that’s what your son likes, good for him. My son has decided this week that it is just too remote for him. But he was torn as everyone seemed so friendly and I think it seems to attract a really lovely type of student.

Andi25693 · 02/04/2023 09:16

I know Aber well and would think it would be a fabulous place to go to Uni, as long you're happy with pubs, house parties and beach barbecues rather than an endless choice of nightclubs (there is just the 1).

Students massively outnumber the local young population so it's very sociable when you do go out, you tend to bump into a lot of people you know.

It's a small, safe, friendly and cheap town with a limited choice of (albeit some quite quirky and interesting) shops and long travel times to most of the UK. Surprisingly cosmopolitan for its size and remoteness, thanks to the university - and for me anyway, comfortably left-leaning, Welsh and a bit hippy.

RandomExpletive · 02/04/2023 11:42

It’s just veiled snobbishness.

St Andrews, Prince William, 37% private school intake, 40% intl students

Aber, 4% private school intake, 17% intl students

That's what this is about, not location

TizerorFizz · 02/04/2023 12:46

It’s not snobbishness. People look at league tables and St Andrews is near the top very often. Aberystwyth is mid table. It’s a back up university for many or first choice if you cannot get to a university asking for higher points.

It’s odd that state school pupils think they are in a minority anywhere. They are not. Are we against foreign students as well now? If you want your tribe to be state educated, and don’t want to mix with foreigners, you know where to avoid. But should you? It’s a very narrow view of the student world and the world beyond university and definitely poor for uk students to be so blinkered!!

RandomExpletive · 02/04/2023 14:18

The purpose of stating the % of international students is that they tend to be very wealthy. Nothing to do with racism as suggested.

All to do with snobbishness - be that intellectual snobbery (higher up in league tables etc) or class/wealth snobbery.

TizerorFizz · 02/04/2023 18:04

So wealth equals the wrong sort of student. It’s not really the case is it? You don’t like wealth or international students. That’s a narrow world view. I guess you’ll now get that deleted. You sound racist by the way. Or why mention overseas students? Some really are not wealthy.

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