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Rail strikes will impact students returning home for Christmas

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Whippet · 23/11/2022 10:50

Strikes announced for 13-14 and 16-17 December. DS was due to come home on 15th, but we know already it will be shit on the day between.
Fortunately DH has said he will go and get him (and bring back any of his friends who live near us).
His girlfriend however was in tears last night as was also due to travel the length of the country on 15th, with a family party on 16th, but now isn't sure what to do and whether she can make it (last strike she got half way, then had to turn back).

Also, this week they've had lectures cancelled due to uni strikes, and they have assessments in two weeks' time.

I just feel really sad for them.

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MarshaBradyo · 23/11/2022 19:44

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 23/11/2022 18:06

Feel so sorry for this age group, most students don’t have cars and rail travel is so important,, and it’s so expensive anyway. Lecturer strikes, cost of living, what a bloody awful time to be a student when you should be having the time of your life.

I feel for them too.

mimbleandlittlemy · 23/11/2022 20:08

Difficult to post a link for this so long but interesting cut and paste from Openaccessgovernment.org:

Why are the rail strikes happening?

There are several reasons for the strike. To summarise, rail workers are striking over pay, working conditions and job security.

RMT General Secretary Mick Lynch describes a landscape of “transport austerity” with thousands of jobs cut across all sectors and below-inflation pay rises for rail workers.

Lynch commented: “It has to be re-stated that the source of these disputes is the decision by the Tory government to cut £4 billion of funding from our transport systems – £2 billion from national rail and £2 billion from Transport for London.”

The General Secretary explains that the Conservative government want to make changes to the Railway Pension Scheme and the TFL scheme by reducing benefits and making staff work for longer whilst paying increased contributions. This means that rail staff will have less money than before in retirement.

Lynch adds that the government plan to “attack” terms, conditions and working practices in the form of internal fire and re-hire and cut real pay for most union members through lengthy pay freezes and below RPI inflation pay proposals.

The pandemic has also played a part. During the pandemic, habits changed. More and more people were able to work from home and since restrictions were lifted, habits have not returned to normal. Many still prefer to work from home. This means fewer commuters and less revenue for train companies. RMT has said action is necessary to reach a “sustainable footing”.

What is the RMT asking for?

With inflation soaring, and the cost of living rocketing, the RMT is asking for a pay rise to mitigate rising costs for its members.

Since inflation is heading towards an 11% increase, the union wants a rise of 7% and has already rejected a Network Rail offer of a 2% rise with a further 1% tied to job cuts.

It should be noted that in 2021, Network Rail CEO Andrew Haines received an annual wage of £585,000, Chief Financial Officer Jeremy Westlake made £415,000 and Route ­Services Managing Director Susan Cooklin took home £385,000. Meanwhile, Network Rail is advertising customer service assistant and station control assistant roles that pay just £20,000.

In other words, the top ten highest paid people at Network Rail make £3.68 million each year.

What has been the government’s response to the rail strikes?

The government has urged the unions to scrap the action.

Boris Johnson has called the rail strikes unnecessary: “I just think it is important to remember that these strikes are unnecessary. I think people should get around the table and sort it out.”

A Department for Transport spokesperson commented: “Strikes should always be the last resort, not the first, so it is hugely disappointing and premature that the RMT is going ahead with industrial action.

“The government committed £16bn – to keep our railways running throughout the pandemic while ensuring not a single worker lost their job.

“The railway is still on life support, with passenger numbers 25% down and anything that drives away even more of them risks killing services and jobs.”

Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon, on the other hand, has said: “[Workers] are paying the price for Tory anti-trade union rhetoric, in fact, anti-trade unionism which I completely deprecate.

“We should respect worker’s across the economy. We should respect public sector workers and we should seek to negotiate a fair resolution to disputes, particularly at a time of inflation – inflation being exacerbated in the UK by the folly of Brexit.”

Sturgeon has also lambasted the introduction of a new law that will allow agency workers to plug staffing gaps in industrial action. She argues that the new law is only “inflaming” the issue and concludes that it is the workers who are paying the price.

infohere · 23/11/2022 20:16

@DameHelena
@Aleaiactaest
@Yellowstone482

Interesting thread here

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4669985-railway-strikes-i-think-they-are-overdoing-it?page=3&reply=121269593

@carefulcalculator
re the observations that these unions have too much power

Whatever the personal opinion or of stance on unions and striking...

It is the workers that have the power
Workers join the union, pay their subs, and (when it comes to it) vote for strikes and then they go on strike if there is a mandate for action.

The unions serve the workers - not the other way around.
So the power is in the hands of the workers, not the union.

Aleaiactaest · 23/11/2022 20:21

I had read the extract that @mimbleandlittlemy posted ages ago.
“The railway is still on life support, with passenger numbers 25% down and anything that drives away even more of them risks killing services and jobs.”
I mean if people’s working habits have changed and there are less passengers, then services need to be cut to make it work.
Or is everyone on here proposing that the government subsidises these demands from private railway companies? Who is going to pay for it? Many sectors are facing wage decreases in real terms and less favourable pensions. If it isn’t economic to have staff at stations at all hours then it just doesn’t work. The money isn’t there. Or are railway passengers happy to pay another e.g 20 per cent on their fares?

infohere · 23/11/2022 20:23

@Aleaiactaest I think our posts crossed. See here for more info:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4669985-railway-strikes-i-think-they-are-overdoing-it?page=3&reply=121269593

MarshaBradyo · 23/11/2022 20:24

Aleaiactaest · 23/11/2022 20:21

I had read the extract that @mimbleandlittlemy posted ages ago.
“The railway is still on life support, with passenger numbers 25% down and anything that drives away even more of them risks killing services and jobs.”
I mean if people’s working habits have changed and there are less passengers, then services need to be cut to make it work.
Or is everyone on here proposing that the government subsidises these demands from private railway companies? Who is going to pay for it? Many sectors are facing wage decreases in real terms and less favourable pensions. If it isn’t economic to have staff at stations at all hours then it just doesn’t work. The money isn’t there. Or are railway passengers happy to pay another e.g 20 per cent on their fares?

If demand remains down then who does subsidise it? The taxpayer funded a fair bit during the pandemic, it’s either that or price rises. Train travel is expensive though so it could impact demand further.

Postal strikes too will end up driving away demand - alternatives exist

EmpressoftheMundane · 23/11/2022 20:32

If they modernise working practices to be more efficient, then it will be possible to have better oay and conditions.

To keep the same bloated, inefficient workforce with no reform or change, is to force the hard pressed public to subsidise them. That isn’t fair or sustainable.

infohere · 23/11/2022 20:34

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/23/mick-lynch-rmt-work-dignity-union-power

The RMT’s next campaign will be for cleaners in the transport industry. Lynch wants to get other unions involved, for cleaners in the NHS and beyond. The long game is to punch a hole in subcontracting and make it really expensive. It’s a means of exploitation and people are fed up.

infohere · 23/11/2022 20:35

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4669985-railway-strikes-i-think-they-are-overdoing-it?page=3&reply=121269593

What are thoughts on this?

infohere · 23/11/2022 20:39

Posted on another thread

For insight into why pay fro train drivers may be higher than your salary read this thread
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4668635-anyone-a-train-driverneed-a-career-change

(for example 70% of drivers experiencing a person under their train and the trauma impact, and the rigorous selection process / level of knowledge and skill required )

www.traindriver.org

Finally see here for a perspective on the strikes that contextualises the industrial action as beneficial / for all working people including the travelling public https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=QeXy-WxYG28&feature=youtu.be

infohere · 23/11/2022 20:41

Posted on another thread... (working link hopefully)

Finally see here for a perspective on the strikes that contextualises the industrial action as beneficial / for all working people including the travelling public

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=QeXy-WxYG28&feature=youtu.be

Novella4 · 24/11/2022 07:28

Mick Lynch is a beacon of hope.
'He's outnumbered but never out gunned'

So much misinformation in the media these days.

The government has stoped the rail companies from coming to an agreement with the union. That tells you all you need to know .

cosmiccosmos · 24/11/2022 07:35

DD started uni this year, we immediately discounted using the trains as, even with a railcard, they are horrendously expensive. When you add in how unreliable they are, we decided not to use them. She has used the bus but it was a bit of a faff so has taken her car.

The fact is they can strike but the service is so poor and over priced there will be job cuts.

CourtneeLuv · 24/11/2022 08:03

Whippet · 23/11/2022 10:50

Strikes announced for 13-14 and 16-17 December. DS was due to come home on 15th, but we know already it will be shit on the day between.
Fortunately DH has said he will go and get him (and bring back any of his friends who live near us).
His girlfriend however was in tears last night as was also due to travel the length of the country on 15th, with a family party on 16th, but now isn't sure what to do and whether she can make it (last strike she got half way, then had to turn back).

Also, this week they've had lectures cancelled due to uni strikes, and they have assessments in two weeks' time.

I just feel really sad for them.

Megabus or national express.

Whippet · 24/11/2022 08:10

Megabus or national express.

Sadly only really works if between big cities. Nearest he could get to home would be a three hour round trip to collect him, so might as well just drive to pick him up!

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Icantfindmykeys · 24/11/2022 08:33

Whippet · 24/11/2022 08:10

Megabus or national express.

Sadly only really works if between big cities. Nearest he could get to home would be a three hour round trip to collect him, so might as well just drive to pick him up!

I’d take that - 3 hrs round trip! My journey to pick up is around 8hours (round trip)on a good day! They’ll be far more MN’s having longer trips than mine too.

ShaunaTheSheep · 24/11/2022 08:39

cosmiccosmos · 24/11/2022 07:35

DD started uni this year, we immediately discounted using the trains as, even with a railcard, they are horrendously expensive. When you add in how unreliable they are, we decided not to use them. She has used the bus but it was a bit of a faff so has taken her car.

The fact is they can strike but the service is so poor and over priced there will be job cuts.

It really depends on the routes travelled, but there are huge disparities in cost, service and reliability, which makes it impossible to generalise. For example, DC booked a 200 mile ticket into London for £15. They've done the same trip by coach for £5. But to then get out to the commuter belt (25 miles) it's another £15. Madness.

CamHenderson · 29/11/2022 09:54

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Tinkerbyebye · 29/11/2022 09:57

Yes it’s hard, I get that and extremely frustrating. However it’s what happens in life, it’s not always straight forward and you have to adapt

lots of people are having to adapt what they do to get to work, events, meet family etc because of the strikes.

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ByTheGrace · 30/11/2022 23:55

DameHelena · 23/11/2022 12:51

I'm sick of all these strikes. Do they think everyone else is getting massive pay rises?
Not a student or a parent of one, but the strikes look as if they'll affect my and DP's attempt to get to the airport for our anniversary trip away, and our trip to our friends' place in the country for Christmas.
No sympathy left for them.

You might want to read the reasons behind the strikes. It's not just about pay, but safety, maintenance and staffing levels. Plus some of these workers are amongst the lowest paid, doing pretty awful jobs - cleaning puke out of railway carriages, checking rail safety in all weathers, dealing with the carnage of people dying on the lines. We were grateful for these workers in lockdown. Now some people are happy to see then made redundant or struggling financially.
Whilst you are at it, you might want to read up on how the government is prolonging and interfering in these strikes.

ByTheGrace · 01/12/2022 00:00

And I realise I leapt into the fray without reading page 3 🤦‍♀️.
But yes, this..
Mick Lynch is a beacon of hope.
'He's outnumbered but never out gunned'

viques · 01/12/2022 00:15

Discoh · 23/11/2022 17:57

Exactly. And if teaching staff end up striking in the new year I am in support - I'd far rather teachers' payrises were fully funded rather than coming out of the school budget. Quite frankly if my dad was a retired head who didn't strike I'd be too embarrassed to admit that.

I agree, I was the Union rep during one of the very early rounds of teachers strikes, we had a very smug teacher who did the whole “teaching is a vocation, and I put the children first and striking damages the childrens education “ speech . For the record she was such an asset to the teaching profession that she used to put her coat on at home time and walk out with the children, woe betide any parent who was a few minutes late, they got the whole toe tapping freeze treatment! I asked her to which charity she would be donating the pay rise we achieved since it was clearly tainted money. She never told me.

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