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Universities with lowest entry requirements

197 replies

Umbrellasaregood · 13/11/2022 10:03

Where can we start?
DS wants to go to Uni but is dyslexic and predicted Ds (or Cs at a big push). Looking at humanity/ social science type courses, possibly with a view to teach or social work.
Yes, it's vague but we would rather find a course that would accept him and compromise a bit on the subject than face rejections.

I never read anything about low entrance universities.
Everything is Oxbridge or Russell Group.

Hope this makes sense.

OP posts:
PhotoDad · 06/12/2022 17:30

Dreams, salaries, and universities: a heady mix! I'm the PP referred to who studied Physics & Philosophy at Oxford (then MPhil at Cambridge and PhD at KCL. Since then, another 1.5 Bachelor's degrees; halfway through my BD right now). I've had a happy and fulfilling career in teaching, although I'm now tired and winding down towards retirement (generous pension). I've never been the main earner in my marriage. Was that a "successful" use of my degrees?

My DD is at a former poly (although it was an art school well before it was poly) studying for a very specialised degree in design. The course has a great employment rate as it has so many industry contacts. Her life's dream is to become a freelancer, scratching out a living to rent a room somewhere remote in the Highlands, maybe with a dog, and enjoying her work as much as she's enjoying her vocational degree. Backup plan is salaried use of the degree, Plan C is a general "graduate" job. Would any of those be a "successful" life?

It's all horses for courses, surely?

(By balance, DS15 wants to be a chemical engineer!)

TizerorFizz · 06/12/2022 17:33

Why does high taxation at the top
end mean anything other than people bother less to achieve highly? Labour tried this and no one thought it was a success. It stifled talent. You cannot make people good enough for median jobs if they don’t want them or don’t have the talent. Our top tax rate is 45%. Hardly low. Over £125,000 in future so I would assume the top earners will now pay way more than 29% of income tax collected by the government. Maybe the people who are not motivated by money could pull their weight?

Piggywaspushed · 06/12/2022 18:20

Read the book!

Matchingcollarandcuffs · 06/12/2022 18:30

TizerorFizz · 06/12/2022 17:33

Why does high taxation at the top
end mean anything other than people bother less to achieve highly? Labour tried this and no one thought it was a success. It stifled talent. You cannot make people good enough for median jobs if they don’t want them or don’t have the talent. Our top tax rate is 45%. Hardly low. Over £125,000 in future so I would assume the top earners will now pay way more than 29% of income tax collected by the government. Maybe the people who are not motivated by money could pull their weight?

They are pulling their weight, being cleaners, nurses, bus drivers, supermarket workers, teachers. Surely you understand that people can only be high earners if there are also lie earners, or are you in favour of a basic universal income?

This is basically detailing the thread but the reality is the potential for being a high earner should not be the only factor in deciding which university. There are many good posts recommending lower offer institutions with sine advice re additional support.

i would also advise that you speak to the uni Disability Service re support before shooting for DSA, some places offer better packages that can be put in place quicker than getting the ‘official support’. Please do have conversations as part of the decision where to apply.

thing47 · 06/12/2022 18:41

Maybe the people who are not motivated by money could pull their weight?

Oh do fuck off, I pay in tax whatever the government of the day tells me I have to pay, be it income tax, inheritance tax, capital gains tax or VAT. If they tell me I have to pay more, I pay more. If what I pay isn't sufficient to cover my share of society's costs, then that's down to the government getting its sums wrong, it's not some failing on my part.

Piggywaspushed · 06/12/2022 18:58

It's a fantastic book,she says plaintively. 35% of the country think they do 'bullshit jobs'. Note : these are largely people in high paid jobs!

They might do jobs which gave them greater fulfilment and were better for society if taxation levelled the playing field. Engorgement should think about this. Maybe the teaching recruitment crisis would be solved if people actively thought they would be rewarded by paying lower taxes instead of framing everything through pay and attaching status to wealth

Utopia for Realists - Rutger Bregman. He isn't a rabid socialist : far from it.

Anyway, not the topic of the thread!

Piggywaspushed · 06/12/2022 18:59

He's in favour of a UBI, though. Studies show it works...

Piggywaspushed · 06/12/2022 18:59

Engorgement??

Thanks spell check...

Government...

Lovemusic33 · 06/12/2022 19:07

My dd goes to a uni that takes students with lower grades, she actually chose it over a Russell group uni. Dd has autism and ADHD. A lot of people (some family) said she shouldn’t bother with uni but she took no notice. She’s now doing great and enjoying uni life. If your DS wants to go to uni then he should go.

Carbon12 · 06/12/2022 19:16

TizerorFizz · 06/12/2022 12:59

@HannahDefoesTrenchcoat
Its now a very important consideration about what jobs grads get. Unless you are rich and don’t need a house. Many people really do need to think about employment. Mum and Dad might indulge young people and say they don’t need to worry, but the truth is that huge numbers of grads don’t get grad work and are stuck at earning less than £20,000. Only the successful ever post on MN! There’s other opportunities besides university for DC who don’t feel they are academic enough. It’s important to consider them.

NTU is a former poly. It’s hardly the bottom of the ladder. You need to look at low ranking universities with high drop out rates, poor access to better jobs and then evaluate value for money. Some universities are not producing grads who will achieve more than non grads. Research shows this. So why bother? Science is wholly different. We need those people. We don’t need so many with degrees in sociology, media studies or theatre. Never mind arts. We do need some of course but parents pay a lot for DC to follow dreams.

106 universities offer Law. Does anyone seriously think the bottom ranked universities get many students into the legal profession?

Hi what's a poly?

Piggywaspushed · 06/12/2022 19:17

A old term whereby people show their age!

PhotoDad · 06/12/2022 19:21

@Piggywaspushed 😀

@Carbon12 A "poly" (short for polytechnic) was a place which taught vocational courses and awarded qualifications other than degrees. Now they have all turned into universities. Also known as "Post 1992 unis."

bottleofbeer · 06/12/2022 19:38

Hi Tigerof....fizz?

I assume you or one of your kids got into a RG and you're very proud of this achievement. That's absolutely fine!

Well done, it took hard work, nobody denies this. I had an offer from one, I didn't accept it because it wasn't offering the course I wanted. Maybe it does make my achievements worth less to some, but it really is snobbery to think that way.

Some are motivated by pursuing passionate interests, some by uni ranking and accept less than studying their passion in exchange for a degree from a particular uni, that ultimately, few will give a shit about.

Purplemagnolias · 06/12/2022 20:04

My dd goes to a uni that takes students with lower grades, she actually chose it over a Russell group uni. Dd has autism and ADHD. A lot of people (some family) said she shouldn’t bother with uni but she took no notice. She’s now doing great and enjoying uni life. If your DS wants to go to uni then he should go.

It's great that your DD is doing great and enjoying herself.

However as a society we have to acknowledge that every Uni degree has to be funded - either by tax payers or students.

Some courses at some Universities may cost a lot more than they benefit they provide.

radrado · 06/12/2022 20:13

And who are you to decide that @Purplemagnolias ? Whether a degree is worth it or not? Not everything that is worth something is measured in monetary amount.

Purplemagnolias · 06/12/2022 20:16

Of course it's not my decision. It's a decision society as a whole has to take. Money is scarce so we need to decide how best to spend it. And of course there are non monetary benefits to take into account.

EmmatheStageRat · 06/12/2022 20:44

Purplemagnolias · 06/12/2022 20:04

My dd goes to a uni that takes students with lower grades, she actually chose it over a Russell group uni. Dd has autism and ADHD. A lot of people (some family) said she shouldn’t bother with uni but she took no notice. She’s now doing great and enjoying uni life. If your DS wants to go to uni then he should go.

It's great that your DD is doing great and enjoying herself.

However as a society we have to acknowledge that every Uni degree has to be funded - either by tax payers or students.

Some courses at some Universities may cost a lot more than they benefit they provide.

In the same way that we should perhaps acknowledge that taxpayers fund:

the House of Lords
the Houses of Parliament
the Royal Family
the purchase of unusable PPE at inflated prices designed to further enrich the pals of our Government
HS2
the wages of a shamed cabinet minister and MP who abandoned his electorate to go and eat animal abuses in the jungle
the gold-plated pay-off for a Prime Minister who was so shit that she lasted only six weeks
the various payoffs for ministers in the dying throes of Boris’ reign, some of whom only served for hours.

I could go on and on. But I would much rather that my tax £ on giving young people with disabilities an improved life chance.

EmmatheStageRat · 06/12/2022 20:45
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Crikeyalmighty · 06/12/2022 20:51

I would try and aim at the second unis in city's that have a good student vibe if he really wants to go-and often lots of part time work- think Bath spa, Liverpool John Moores, Oxford Brooke's , UWE etc .

Happyhome21 · 06/12/2022 21:20

I personally know young people who did a foundation degree, degree and masters and went on to have very successful degrees

There is a grant to help students with disabilities to access their courses
See below
There is fantastic technology too - which schools do not have the funds to provide

Speech to text
Reading pens
Scanners to text

All can be accessed through laptops etc

www.ucas.com/student-finance-england/disabled-students-allowance

Happyhome21 · 06/12/2022 21:31

Google The British Dyslexia Association - assistive technology

I am sure you are already doing this but people with dyslexia need to hear the many success stories and the advantages dyslexia can give a person.
Steve Jobs
Churchill
Bill Gates
Dancers
Richard Branson

The list is endless

bottleofbeer · 06/12/2022 21:59

I've absolutely got dyscalculia. I still did well in statistics. In a shit ex poly.

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