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Spending money once they've gone to uni

106 replies

PeaceLoveAndCandy · 25/09/2022 16:39

Are we as parents supposed to put a regular amount of money into their accounts for food, etc once they've gone to Uni and if so, how much do you give them if they do not have a job at all?

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TheSmallAssassin · 30/09/2022 09:27

That sounds a much fairer scheme, @MrsSwnllyd !

Seems wrong that in England it's the poorest ones that are left saddled with the biggest debt.

redtulip12 · 30/09/2022 11:33

We top up accommodation and then she has £75 a week for food and everything else. Last year she managed in £65 but as food prices have increased she needs a bit more.

Kite22 · 30/09/2022 13:07

I'm putting £600 a month away at the moment to cover the next few years, so it's lucky I can afford it - I wish I'd regularly been putting something smaller aside years ago!

Each to their own, but it always strikes me as odd to be putting away that sort of money each month, in case you might want to support children in the future if they choose to go to university. Why not pay down debts (in many cases mortgage) if you have that sort of money 'spare' each month, then, when the time comes, you have much more in your budget each month if the child wants to go to university to help them at the time.
Although of course, when you have childcare to pay for, I can't imagine many families having £600 spare to 'put aside'.

TheSmallAssassin · 30/09/2022 17:33

Kite22 · 30/09/2022 13:07

I'm putting £600 a month away at the moment to cover the next few years, so it's lucky I can afford it - I wish I'd regularly been putting something smaller aside years ago!

Each to their own, but it always strikes me as odd to be putting away that sort of money each month, in case you might want to support children in the future if they choose to go to university. Why not pay down debts (in many cases mortgage) if you have that sort of money 'spare' each month, then, when the time comes, you have much more in your budget each month if the child wants to go to university to help them at the time.
Although of course, when you have childcare to pay for, I can't imagine many families having £600 spare to 'put aside'.

I'm putting that kind of money away now because one of my children is at university now and the other is going next year and looking at London colleges and I don't want to be scrabbling about for it and have a cushion in case it all goes to pot!

I haven't paid childcare for over 10 years, so I do wish I'd started saving a bit before. As it turns out we've been able to pay off our mortgage and I've been promoted, so waiting longer to start saving has meant I've got more disposable income to set aside, but that might easily not have been the case, so it wouldn't have hurt to start saving a smaller regular amount sooner?

Darbs76 · 30/09/2022 20:55

My son’s rent has been paid by his dad, I give him £100 a month, plus pay his phone. I also sent him £80 for trainers the other day, so occasional adhoc requests but otherwise £100 a month. He does have savings from his childhood / trust funds that he is using, and he intends to get a part time job too. He’s only been there a week, is home cooking with ingredients so still finding his feet with costs of foods etc.

Sallyingon · 30/09/2022 21:43

His loan is going towards accommodation which we are topping up, then we are giving him£70 a week. He will get a bursary which equates to £25 a week and he has £1000 in the bank from working this summer. We pay his phone. I think he will be fine and probably won't need to work till next summer. it's all new to us so we will soon see...

pompomdaisy · 30/09/2022 21:45

@user1487194234 idiots!

ScoobyDoobyDoowhere · 01/10/2022 07:10

PhotoDad - has it just right see his explanation below also check out Martin Lewis. How we work ours out is DS pays us his ML at the start of each term (this doesn’t cover his rent SC) so we top this up when due have paid for some bits and bats JCR membership, gown, freshers ticket some luxury’s for his room large screen to watch TV/Game etc. We give him £85 pw over 40 weeks (term time) he worked over summer and he has some savings. We taught him to cook over summer, he walks everywhere and we taught him to budget and he is very frugal with his own money. He also has access to his savings. So he will do ok.

PhotoDad · 25/09/2022 17:04
Roughly speaking, the Government expects that a student living away from home but not in London needs £10k. The maintenance loan is on a sliding scale depending on household income. Those earning under £25k, the loan covers everything. Those earning over £65k, the loan covers roughly £4.8, leaving £100/week for the parents to "top up."

This is explained, VERY badly, on the student loan letters!

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PhotoDad · 25/09/2022 17:06
Obviously insert a missing "k" there. Even this Government can't get away with reducing the loan to £4.80! (or can they?)

OneFrenchEgg · 01/10/2022 07:30

I feel stressed thinking about it tbh. We managed first time as dc had a job and savings. We remortgaged and paid accommodation first instalment and then £100 a month.
This time dc has no job and will also get min loan (unwell, so hasn't been able to) - and we will have to fund at least £450 a month I think.
Our income looks amazing on paper but after commuting, tax, mortgage, kids etc we don't have much spare to hand out.

PhotoDad · 01/10/2022 07:33

Thanks, @ScoobyDoobyDoowhere!

There's no "right" way to do things as it depends on family circumstances and the DC involved. Our situation is this (people planning for uni fees might want to do the same, or not, but it's good to know the range of options).

DD gets minimum loan because we earn over £65k. This almost exactly pays for her accommodation. (She went for the cheapest self-catering at her uni.) The "top up" is £5.2k per year from us.

We started paying this at £100/wk as soon as she had finished her A-levels. This meant that she had some time to build up her bank balance, but the flip side is that she bought all the things she wanted for her room, clothes, etc etc. As an aside, she didn't take much to uni with her as we found that there is a Wilko within easy walk of her room, and she has bought kit as she needs it. Similarly we will continue to pay while she's at home for holidays, again so that it builds up for rent deposit for next year. That way I know exactly what the costs will be and it's easy for her to budget.

She also intends to take a part-time job, as much for work experience as for the money, but is leaving that until term two when she has a handle on workload.

In an emergency she also has an ISA. I will provide her with any financial advice she needs, but the budgeting is entirely down to her. I feel that we did our bit by building up those savings for her over the last 18 years! Ideally she won't touch that account and they can go towards house deposit after graduation, but who knows what might happen?

We're lucky in that she's sensible, good with money, a decent cook, and doesn't drink. Her weakness is vintage clothes but she's found some excellent charity shops!

Maybe that info will help someone. PP have suggested various other ways of dealing!

PhotoDad · 01/10/2022 07:36

Oh hello @OneFrenchEgg! We're on similar threads. For what it's worth, DD likes her accommodation and the fact that it's within loan amount was a factor in her uni choice, as was the fact you could choose a specific room (first come first served) rather than being assigned one at random. Something to consider!

somewhereovertherain · 01/10/2022 07:56

Ours get the minimum and we pay the extra Accomodation costs, sports fees, books etc they both get £70 a week term time to cover food etc anything above that they fund themselves. Both had summer jobs and one currently has a part time job 6 hours a week at £15 an hour. The other is looking for a job. Both also run cars. Which they fund themselves.

both seem to be doing pretty well.

OneFrenchEgg · 01/10/2022 13:38

somewhereovertherain · 01/10/2022 07:56

Ours get the minimum and we pay the extra Accomodation costs, sports fees, books etc they both get £70 a week term time to cover food etc anything above that they fund themselves. Both had summer jobs and one currently has a part time job 6 hours a week at £15 an hour. The other is looking for a job. Both also run cars. Which they fund themselves.

both seem to be doing pretty well.

There is no way we could pay the extra accommodation plus £280 a week plus clubs and books.
It's such a stressful situation when family income is taken into account. I know several families where they've put lowest earner as the household (divorced parents) to get round it.
I need to get a spreadsheet going.

Longtimenewsee · 01/10/2022 15:23

Mine gets the minimum maintenance which we make up to the maximum. We give them our contribution termly at about the same time their maintenance loan comes in. . We pay for their phone and insurance and I pay for one big supermarket shop at drop off.
We don’t give them any extra apart from that.
They avoided London as it would be too expensive to live.
They have about £45 left to live on per week once accommodation ( including bills) has gone out.
They work in the summer to get a buffer for each year/ tide them over

nexttime4 · 01/10/2022 20:57

Mine're not old enough yet but when I went I had an amount of savings at the beginning (made up pretty much entirely of previous parental contributions which I hadn't spent) and that was meant to get me by for the whole 6 years. I'd plan to take a broadly similar approach with my kids.

But of course depends how sensible they are! I remember a BBC show about new students at uni and one of them was low income background, first of family at uni etc, given full loan, great opportunity. Spent it all on clothes in a week, dropped out of uni in two weeks. So clearly lump sums are not the best for everyone!

worriedatthistime · 02/10/2022 01:20

Its very silly as minimum over 65k but a couple on 65k have a lot less disposable income that a couple on 130k but both kids would get the sAme
Two parents on min wage would be on close to 40 k but with high rents and mortgages and bills as they are , other children to pay for its not possible for many to make up the amount
My ds halls this year alone are £7200

worriedatthistime · 02/10/2022 01:24

The welsh system seems better

Mumwithbaggage · 02/10/2022 01:57

Our youngest (no 4) has just started. DH freelances though my salary is pretty consistent so it's varied a bit through our children. Oldest is 28.

We've paid for dd's accommodation (there goes my new sofa!) and she'll end up with about 100pw from her bog standard maintenance loan. We gave her a couple of hundred to cover freshers and she knows it's down to her to budget. She SHOULD be moving 100 a week from one account to another, and anything spare is for extras. She can access Amazon Prime if needed for books but knows to check libraries/siblings and partners with similar degrees first.

blueshoes · 02/10/2022 02:13

DD gets the minimum maintenance loan. I top up her student accommodation by 5,500 a year (this is London) and she gets 100 a week spending money. So we pay 10,700 a year. It is cheaper than independent school fees.

FatMog · 02/10/2022 02:30

Some of these figures frighten me. DD is going to uni in 2024 (probably) and we've saved £10k since she was born but now I wonder if it's enough. Looks like she's getting a part-time job as a top-up.

ootraged · 02/10/2022 10:04

My DC (in Scotland) gets the minimum loan of £5,100 a year and the bill for their catered accommodation is £6,700. That means they are short by approx. £180 a month (based on 9 months Sept-May). So we give them £180 a month that goes into the account that their maintenance loan gets paid into, and their accommodation gets taken out of. We then put £150 a month into another 'living expenses' account for weekend meals, toiletries/laundry, misc costs etc... we're also paying their PAYG phone each month (£10) and will probably help them out with buying a good coat and possibly a few society membership fees.

So our monthly cash outlay from Sept-May is £330. I'm not sure what's going to happen during the months of June/July/August. We thought they'd just come home and expenses would be minimal but we're realising that they might have to put down deposits and advance rent on properties from June/July onwards even if they don't want to live in their Uni City over Summer. Accommodation is scarce and very expensive so we can't risk leaving it till the last minute. They might be lucky and not have to start paying till August but we can't rely on that.

Our DC has just got themselves a part-time hospitality job and does two shifts totalling about 15/16 hours a week. The midweek shift has them working till 2/3am which I'm not happy about but they say it's fine because their first class/lecture is at 11am the next day. I wish they didn't have to work but they will need to save some funds to see them over the Summer months and to put down a deposit and advanced rent. They think they'll be able to save £300/400 a month. They have no travel expenses - we're lucky to have free bus travel up here in Scotland for young people up to 22.

I wish they didn't have to work but they do. I'm hoping this won't interfere with their studies too much but they never worked at all during their school years and were a straight A student. It will be interesting to see if they can sustain this academic level with the working and the additional partying that's going on at Uni (which they are also throwing themselves into very enthusiastically after the social deprivation of the Covid years!) Unfortunately they were unable to work and save over the Summer as planned because they were ill.

On paper we are therefore paying out 9 x £180 and 9 x £150 (£2,970 in total) over the academic year which, on top of their £5,100 loan, means they're getting a total of just under £8,100 per academic year. This happens to be the maximum loan/bursary amount you can claim up here in Scotland. This starts reducing down as soon as your household income hits the heady heights of £21,000 and reduces to the minimum loan payment of £5,100 as soon as your household income exceeds £35k.

Of course we could save loads of money by having our student live at home and go to a local Uni. This is very common in Scotland. We, however, are prepared, and just about able, to scrape together the above mentioned funds as we earn well over the £35k threshold. But we still really struggle as we've no savings, have large debts of our own to service and increasing costs. I really feel for families who are right on the £35k threshold. We would certainly have to have our DC living at home if that were the case. I'd even question whether Uni would be the best path for them. I think I'd advise them to look into apprenticeships or working a year or two and saving before going off to Uni. For both my DP and I, Uni was about independence and breaking away from parental supervision as much as doing the academics. I wouldn't want to deprive my DC of that unless we didn't have a choice in the matter.

It will be interesting to see if the numbers of UK- based students attending University will start to fall in the coming years. Surely Universities will target ever-increasing numbers of overseas students. With the strong dollar, it must make UK Universities even more attractive to American students in particular. The American parents at my DC's University are eagerly trying to pay next year's tuition fees of approx £26k now because it's going to save them $8,000+ because of the plumetting pound! It will also mean they will find the local rentals cheaper which will no doubt encourage landlords in the area to charge even higher rents.

I will hold my hands up to totally burying my head in the sand when it came to my children's University costs. I thought we'd just be able to get student loans that would adequately cover the costs of living and accommodation. I really hadn't appreciated that we would need to have excess disposable income to plug such an enormous shortfall. I am so glad that we will only have 1 year of potential overlap with our 2nd DC. And I've already planted the suggestion that they might need to take a year out to earn some money because I can't see us being able to cope paying both of their accommodation and living expenses shortfalls. Ignoring that for now though.

Apologies for the long and detailed post but I hope someone finds it useful (especially any Scottish parents!)

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 02/10/2022 10:29

This is how much the government thinks you should contribute
MSE parental contribution

and here is some useful information about how much students in different parts of the country need to live on
www.savethestudent.org/money/surveys/student-money-survey-2022-results.html

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 02/10/2022 10:33

@FatMog MSE Calculator - how much you need to save

but if they want to go to a more expensive part of the country / live in expensive accommodation etc they’ll probably need a job too, and/or to get a part time job now and start saving.

PhotoDad · 02/10/2022 10:36

@JellyBabiesSaveLives Some good explanations on those pages! Figures are for last year, though. There's a ready-reckoner here:
www.savethestudent.org/parentcontribution/

Kidsandcat · 02/10/2022 10:52

After accomodation (which is nearly covered by min loan, we top up rest) we give 75 a week to live off. We also pay for his phone, any additional costs for course eg books, society fees, and have said will pay train fare anytime he wants to come home. Not paying in hols as he should be coming home, has job at home he can pick back up. I think the cost of some student accommodation is obscene, luckily son was happy to take cheapest option and uni is in relatively cheap area. Would have not been able to afford if accommodation was 9 or 10k like it is in some places. Accommodation has been great, they get on well, shared bathroom not an issue and at least bathrooms are cleaned weekly by the uni. If anyone is worried about affording uni look carefully cost of accommodation where your kids are applying.