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University Second Year Dropping out/repeating

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Faultymain5 · 28/04/2022 06:08

I’m not really sure where to start.

My DS has decided to repeat his second year, because he hasn’t done well in (a) module(s).

He decided this in February. When discussing it with me he says that he feels he could do better and this is the best option. I have suggested he speaks to university to see what his options are. Having spoken to them they said they couldn’t tell him if he would need to retake the year because they can’t tell as all scores haven’t come in. It was suggested that he resits failed modules over the summer. But continues the course for the rest of the year

Anyway, fast forward two months, we felt something wasn’t quite right. So we made a concerted effort to get him to get up and go into university and attend in person to check his student account online to ensure that he had regular attendance and was handing in his assignments. Which is where I discovered they had locked him out of his account because fees haven’t been paid.

He said he had paid when he enrolled. When we checked his emails he has been getting countless emails from the finance department, the last one from 28 March threatening with him being referred to debt collectors. What I can’t understand is if he has not paid why was nothing flagged when he went into the university building? Anyway, turns out he thought when he enrolled that was all he had to do to obtain student finance. Did I mention this was his second year, so not his first time applying for finance? Anyhoo, he was within the 9 month window to apply for this year (just).

So after that was sorted and we made a plan for today. I.e confirm the situation with the finance department, we had a discussion. He has chosen not to do any work because he intends to retake the year, rather than any summer resits. His uni allows this, but it’s not clear whether the scoring will put him in the better position he imagines. It turns out he has got a group assignment due next week that he hasn’t done anything for. When I said why not it’s because he intends to repeat the year. When I asked if he told the group, he said yes - but who knows.

Getting anything clear out of him makes no sense. He’s now saying he doesn’t like the course, why? Because it’s gotten hard. Well, yeah doh! But that’s his MO, when things get hard slack off or drop it all together, guitar, piano, tennis education. He feels passionate about nothing, nothing makes him happy, or sad, he feels nothing. All he consistently does do is game. If you’ve seen any of my previous posts, you will know DH and I believe DS has an addiction. We’ve tried getting help twice, he has not engaged twice. When I accused him of being scared, the one thing he came back with is that he wasn’t scared, but that he does need to speak to someone.

Of course I’m a fixer so I find myself looking for solutions. Last night was the first time he asked for help. He never asks for help. I see at the uni he has access to counsellors and I’m not sure why he can’t get the help himself. But I’m confused about his practical options. If he doesn’t like the course, why would he repeat the year? It’s a university are there any other courses that interest him? If he doesn’t go back, what other things could he try? Apprenticeships? Take a year out “to find himself”? He’s privileged to have options, but the main option is not part time working and playing games all night.

okay I’ve written it all down, but I’m not sure if I’m even posting in the right section. I guess the first thing to get sorted is some kind of counsellor. I feel like my head is going to explode. I’m supposed to be studying as now is my time for a career switch, but I hate my new job, studying and now this. I don’t mind giving it all up for my kids, but……ffs. I knew life was going too well.

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Yellowpens · 28/04/2022 06:29

As you say, it doesn't make sense that he would retake the 2nd year if he is not enjoying the course. It would make better sense to change courses to something he likes.

However, university demands commitment and self-discipline and if these are qualities that he is lacking at the moment it makes no sense for him to continue racking up student debt for a course he is unlikely to complete and therefore not achieve any qualification.

As for being the fixer parent, I hear you. I was similar to that with my son but I got to the stage (after much therapy!) that I can only guide and support him a step behind his lead. As an adult, although young, they need to build their own lives through their own effort/decisions and by trying to fix things we can often create unnecessary tension and potentially lead our kids down the wrong path. It also keeps them dependent on us because they know we'll always step in and resolve things.

Personally I've always told my kids full-time study or employment but not nothing under the guise of "I'm still deciding what to do" or "I can't find anything I like".

It's his life and he needs to take responsibility for how he plans to support himself and begin living life as an adult. Not sure counselling is the answer here unless there's some history we're not aware of, I think it's a case of telling him to get up off his bum and make some life decisions that he can stick to.

PritiPatelsMaker · 28/04/2022 07:16

If he's not engaging with the course and doesn't really enjoy it, I also think that resitting the second year seems like a poor choice.

I think he needs to have an honest think, would continuing and increasing his debt be the best option right now?

I also agree with Yellow on the work front. If he were mine I'd be making it plain that it's full time education or full time employment, preferably with part time education as well.

PritiPatelsMaker · 28/04/2022 07:17

Forgot to add that I'd be expecting him to pay some kind of board as well.

Libertybear80 · 28/04/2022 07:30

He shouldn't repeat. He should probably just leave and go and work for a while. It seems at every turn he needs you to hold his hand in order to function. He's not ready for Uni.

milkjetmum · 28/04/2022 07:33

There is another option of suspending. This is essentially taking a year out during studies which students do for various reasons (illness, mat leave, or to consider before making decision to drop out).

This might be something for your son to consider as will stops fees etc mounting up, but keep door open if he does want to return. Sounds like it could be good for him to take some time to get his health and priorities clear.

Sounds like he is living at home while a student? I think generally a bit unusual for you to be checking his emails etc so you may need to step back and support him with managing the consequences of his actions rather than taking on the fixer role?

AvocadoPlant · 28/04/2022 07:44

Something else to consider is that Undergrad funding is 4 years only. He has now used 2 years of that.
One of DS friends took a while to work out what he wanted to do, he eventually re-started 3 times (different course each time at 2 different unis) so he and his parents had to self fund his final year.
However he did get there in the end and enjoyed his eventual degree.

Mxflamingnoravera · 28/04/2022 07:48

If he's already got marks for modules it unlikely that he can retake them to get better marks, he needs to check the regulations. Repeating a year is usually a decision of a board not a student so it may not actually be an option.

Mxflamingnoravera · 28/04/2022 07:52

If he has failed modules then he may be given a chance to resit or repeat but if he has got a pass mark (albeit low) then the board will most likely approve that mark and repeating that module would not be an option. The regulations needs to looked at carefully before he can make any decisions.

DietrichandDiMaggio · 28/04/2022 07:53

Can you explain how his fees have not been paid? If you take out a loan to cover fees, which most do, the money goes directly to the university.

JuneOsborne · 28/04/2022 08:13

I think you need to see if he understands that he has to spend appx 40 hours a week doing something useful. Whether that's university, work or something else.

And that's going to be the case for the next 40 years.

Therefore, he needs to decode how he wants to spend those 40 hours now and in the future. My advice to him would be think about what you love to do and find a way that pays him for doing it. If that means doing a course in the field (40 hours a week attending lectures and working on assignments) or getting a job, fine, whatever.

But 40 hours a week. He can spend the other hours doing as he pleases, but those 40 hours need filling.

RampantIvy · 28/04/2022 08:13

DietrichandDiMaggio · 28/04/2022 07:53

Can you explain how his fees have not been paid? If you take out a loan to cover fees, which most do, the money goes directly to the university.

Perhaps he and/or his parents didn't reapply for year 2?

Faultymain5 · 28/04/2022 08:27

After discussing with my Dsis I came back to some really helpful replies.
@Yellowpens yes there is a back story he’s had therapy before - for an incident that happened a few years ago and for his gaming addiction. He didn’t engage with either. He doesn’t think gaming is a problem. We disagree.

we’ve tried to let him get on with things and that’s led us here. And no he’s not allowed part time working and gaming all night @PritiPatelsMaker he already pays board from his part time job.

@Libertybear80 uts the same conclusion I’m grudgingly coming to.

@milkjetmum thanks I may suggest suspension, but he can’t be at home with nothing to do. We generally don’t look at his emails, I felt something was wrong and checked up on his attendance, which led to him finally looking at his emails. He lives at home which was something we didn’t want, but I’m wondering how much worse it would be - we already he’d stink because being clean is not a priority for him.

@AvocadoPlant I’d be afraid of that happening to him also. On the other hand I want him to find his bliss. So will support any decision that sounds like an actual plan

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Faultymain5 · 28/04/2022 08:37

@Mxflamingnoravera this is what am worried about. I never went to university. My husband went in the 90s, the reason we told him to get advice from the universIt’s was because we don’t know. The whole idea was to continue the course, see what the grade was like for the module then do a resit if appropriate. But without knowing the facts he’s gone his own way.

@JuneOsborne that is the problem he really doesn’t see past next month, he cannot see that far. In all honesty im so tired of explaining, but know it’s my job to keep doing that. My parents never understood a lot of this and I had to work it out for myself. It looks like he wants to learn the hard way.

@DietrichandDiMaggio I thought I had explained, he thought he had got a loan when he did the university enrolment. He failed to remember how he applied for the loan last year. So he thought, “I’ve enrolled Ive done everything”. So even when we asked about applying for the loan it didn’t register as he thought it was part and parcel of the enrolment. Obviously it was not.

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Mxflamingnoravera · 28/04/2022 08:43

You can get hold of the regulations by googling the university name and "academic regulations".

If you want to share which Uni I'll have a look at them, obvs I cannot give specific advice but I can point you to the relevant paragraphs.

Has he failed any modules? (40% is the common pass mark) has he failed to submit work for any modules?
How many credits do his modules carry?

Faultymain5 · 28/04/2022 08:53

Thank you for the offer. I’ll DM you if I can’t find or understand them. I’ll speak to him later about the actual scores

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AchillesPoirot · 28/04/2022 08:55

If he's failed then his resit will most likely be capped.

If he's passed he's unlikely to be permitted to resist a module

poetryandwine · 28/04/2022 17:14

Having sat on a number of Mitigating Circumstances panels, I don’t quite understand some of this. We also allowed students to resit a year, in that regulations permitted us to offer this option when appropriate. But the circumstances had to be pretty exceptional. I agree that in general resit marks for failed modules are likely to be capped and resits of passed modules are not likely to be allowed.

I accept your characterisation that your DS has a MH problem. Sadly he is at a vulnerable age; times are hard; and this is by no means uncommon. You say he has access to counselling at uni but TBH almost all of this is pretty poor. My (Russell Gp) uni manages to promote itself as a leader in student welfare but the counselling has a long wait list and in most cases is limited to three appointments. These facts are not well publicised. I wish parents and prospective students thought to ask them ahead of time.

It sounds to me like your DS might benefit from taking a year out, if possible. I have seen so many students soldier on, spiralling downwards, eventually scraping a 2.2 if lucky and a 3rd if not. These degree classifications are immediately dismissed by the large employers and a number of others. They are by no means hopeless, but they are a burden.

It is much better to take the time to sort your health so you can finish strong. I agree with you that employment during a suspension of studies is probably a good idea. Therapy, too, if that is a possibility.

The gaming and the lack of passion is a tough one for all of you. Best wishes

beachhead · 06/05/2022 13:53

We are in total shock & distress DS has just decided to exit university of Leeds on final semester of year 4
I am reaching out to the university for support.
They said ds could have deferred; but he has chosen not to. I feal the university purs the onus on students to come forward for help. But ds will not go forward ( I think he presents a false impression if questioned about his mental health)

I honestly feel close to breakdown.
Ds had history of depression during lockdown year . We collected him from university he was a shadow of former self.
He was prescribed anti depressants but refused to take them. He deferred final year. In December said he would be OK ( but I know now he should have deferred again)

DS did not even discuss his decision with us.
He told us afterwards said he had brain fog and was late with dissertation so he left. !

Basically 4 years hard work and I know he'd been offered placements so his forecast was good.

Any help or guidance please?

poetryandwine · 06/05/2022 16:44

@beachhead Grest sympathies. I think you will get more feedback if you start your own thread. I will keep an eye out for it.

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