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Turned down for student finance tuition

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Andi2020 · 12/04/2022 22:45

Advice needed
We live in Ireland
Dd applied to university in Liverpool and choose as first choice booked accommodation got letter today to say rejected for student finance for tuition as her course starts as a foundation level
It is Law with criminal justice
What,can we do.we already have to pay for accommodation and she saves from her part time job for food and extras needed and hopefully get a part time job when there we really haven't spare funds to pay tuition fee was depending on student finance for this.
She is devastated.
She rang student finance and they said the database was down to ring back tomorrow
Any help appreciated.

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BrambleyHedge · 13/04/2022 08:30

I assumed it was this one which is:

BuanoKubiamVej · 13/04/2022 08:37

Universities are often reasonably open to people changing course after y1, and students are generally allowed to attend lectures for courses they aren't regustered on in addition to their official curriculum. She should find a course that she qualifies to join without a foundation year which is related to the course she really wants to do. She will then get the funding she needs. During y1 she should attend the lectures of both the course she is registered on abd also the course she wants to transfer to. If she does well in her y1 grades and can demonstrate that she can keep up an accelerated learning pace to make up for the elements of y1 in the target course that she missed, she should be allowed to join her target course in y2.

shabbalabba · 13/04/2022 08:41

@Andi2020 can I ask why she is applying to a U.K. uni? Is she applying within Ireland at all??

BobblyBlueJumper · 13/04/2022 08:45

I would challenge student finance. They don't always get it right. They tried to withhold DH's final loan payment for his PGCE saying the course was less than a year and therefore wasn't able to be funded. Which was total nonsense, but the young guy at the end of the phone was adamant. Got sorted out in the end, but I wouldn't assume what they are saying is correct first of all.

LIZS · 13/04/2022 08:46

Is Student Finance for next year even open yet? Iirc it was May a couple of years ago.

Justkeeppedaling · 13/04/2022 09:05

@MarmiteCoriander

Does she live in Northern or Southern Ireland? (possibly wrong terminology as not born in Britain).

It's Northern Ireland and Ireland.

Seeline · 13/04/2022 09:35

@LIZS

Is Student Finance for next year even open yet? Iirc it was May a couple of years ago.

SFE opened beginning if March. They say apply BY May to have the best chance of having your loans arrive at the beginning of term in September!

Seeline · 13/04/2022 09:37

OP does Ireland have some sort of agreement with the UK for uni funding?

Shouldn't you apply to the Irish government for grant/loan if you live in Ireland?

titchy · 13/04/2022 17:44

It'll be a mistake. It's an integrated foundation year and she needs to make clear that she's on a four year degree course. LJMU should be able to help if the loans company are being a pain.

Irish students are able to access fee loans same as UK students.

SometimesRavenSometimesParrot · 13/04/2022 19:02

It’s a mistake. Check her student finance account to make sure she’s got the right details.

CavernousScream · 13/04/2022 19:07

It’s a mistake. Call the student finance team at LJMU and they’ll be able to help sort it.

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Andi2020 · 14/04/2022 21:14

Thanks everyone she spoke to student finance yesterday and they are looking into it said it could take up to 10 working days

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sashh · 15/04/2022 06:43

Good news, I hope she enjoys her uni days.

Mxflamingnoravera · 15/04/2022 07:03

Foundation years are fundable if they are integrated into the degree (ie the course is a four year degree with foundation all offered as a bundle with guaranteed progression to year1 if the FY is passed). If it's a stand alone FY then it is not fundable.

QuebecBagnet · 15/04/2022 07:07

Yes, student finance often tell students incorrect information. I see it a lot.

spotcheck · 15/04/2022 07:09

@LIZS

Is Student Finance for next year even open yet? Iirc it was May a couple of years ago.

That's the deadline. Applications opened in England in Feb

spotcheck · 15/04/2022 07:11

OP
A few ideas:
Can your daughter top up her grades/subjects for a year, and then apply for first year entry?
Definitely call student from finance- they are very good, but sometimes there are ways through.

SaskiaRembrandt · 15/04/2022 07:36

Funding is definitely provided for degrees with a foundation year, the exception would be if the student had, or was anticipated to achieve qualifications equivalent to a foundation year. So, for example, if someone had passed A'Levels less than (I think) 20 years ago, they wouldn't get funding for the foundation year, but could for the rest of the degree.

Could it be because your daughter is already studying for an equivalent qualification?

titchy · 15/04/2022 09:25

@SaskiaRembrandt

Could it be because your daughter is already studying for an equivalent qualification?

Pretty much every sentence there is wrong. Integrated FYs are funded. End of.

Comefromaway · 15/04/2022 18:35

Exactly.

Ds will be doing a funded degree with an integrated foundation year despite DDD Btec predictions because it’s music and he hasn’t quite reached Grade 8 standard yet.

SaskiaRembrandt · 16/04/2022 13:38

Pretty much every sentence there is wrong. Integrated FYs are funded. End of.

No, in England at least , funding will not be given for study at the same level as an existing qualification. So if someone already has recent A'Levels, has completed a foundation year, or an access course their funding would start in year 1 of their degree.

Cortesy of SFE:

'f you’ve studied before
You’ll usually only get student finance if you’re doing your first higher education qualification - even if your previous course was self-funded. You may still be eligible for limited funding in certain circumstances and for some courses.

If you changed course, stopped your studies or are repeating a year
If you stopped your course within the first year, you’ll get funding for the same course or a new course when you go back.

You might also get funding if you:

suspended your course or withdrew before it finished - and you’re going back to study any course
are repeating a year of your course at the same university, college, or institution.'

SaskiaRembrandt · 16/04/2022 13:38

Sorry, courtesy

titchy · 16/04/2022 15:51

That's not the ELQ rule. A foundation year that's part of a degree will be the first year of that degree.

Access courses, A levels etc are not HE level qualifications and do not attract HE loan funding. The absence or presence of A levels is totally irrelevant when it comes to HE loan funding (though that may change with the DfE post-Augar review).

I'll repeat - Foundation years that form the first year of a degree programme are fully funded.

MarchingFrogs · 16/04/2022 15:51

You’ll usually only get student finance if you’re doing your first higher education qualification - even if your previous course was self-funded.

The degree with an integrated foundation year would be the applicant's

first higher education qualification - A levels are not HE. 'Year 0' of a full undergraduate degree is.

SusanDey · 16/04/2022 17:31

@MarchingFrogs is correct. I teach on a HE Foundation year and know the students are funded. There is some good advice on this thread and some seriously bad advice. Just goes to show the need to be careful when asking randoms on the Internet

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