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So many York threads already, but Bath or York!

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MrsGethinJones · 10/04/2022 17:35

DD is chosing between Bath and York as her firm for Politics and International Relations, Loughborough will be her insurance.

She enjoyed visiting both open and offer holder days, so any pointers would be appreciated please 😊

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TizerorFizz · 10/04/2022 18:22

It might not matter to your DD, but Bath has much higher grad employment stats. I think Bath is a university that attracts people for whom employment is a big reason why they go to university and lots of its courses are industry friendly. Obviously Politics and IR is different but as this degree means DD will be competing for jobs with loads of talented humanities grads, I would choose Bath. It’s higher in the Complete University Guide for Politics too.

My very good friend has a DC with a Politics Masters (no job after undergrad) and nearly a year later is still jobless. So my advice is to build a cv with work experience or volunteering whilst at university. Lack of that and thinking a masters will mean you get a great job doesn’t seem to work.

ronaldmcdonald123456 · 10/04/2022 19:07

York and politics reminds me of Peter Hitchens!

ronaldmcdonald123456 · 10/04/2022 19:11

@TizerorFizz might I ask where your friends DC studied? (obviously I understand if you'd rather not share).

Would a masters from Oxbridge or LSE in politics have more weighted than a masters from another uni?

TizerorFizz · 10/04/2022 19:28

@ronaldmcdonald123456
It wasn’t at the stellar universities you mention which I suspect confer greater employability.

At the time DC went to the uk university it was in the top 10 for Politics and is RG. (Now slipped about 10 places). Masters from a Dutch university. It seems to be a subject that, even when coupled with IR, can be difficult for the student to get the type of job they want. They are competing against so many others.

harridan50 · 10/04/2022 19:40

My daughter is in her 4th and final year of this exact degree at Bath
I agree they are very keen on placement years and students being job ready there is support for this
My daughter and her cohort managed to complete internships in London despite the pandemic
Most of her peers have graduate schemes or jobs lined up including my daughter
She has thoroughly enjoyed her time there has had lots of fun and had a good social life despite the constraints of covid
There are lots of sport opportunities lots of things to get involved with and generally has been a great experience

TizerorFizz · 10/04/2022 22:03

From what I can see (and I know other Politics/IR grads) is that they seem to want policy jobs within the civil service, a career at the Foreign Office or a job in a think tank. Reality for many is very different. I also know young people who are doing all of these jobs but none has a Politics/IR degree. So the specific degree doesn’t matter - it’s about more than that.

PerpetualOptimist · 11/04/2022 08:57

As PP have highlighted, the Bath 'advantage' is that placement years are available for all/nearly all degrees in across their departments and have been for many years. This means there is deep knowledge/expertise at a university and departmental level, that can be deployed to assist students.

As ever, there are caveats. Most placements are not guaranteed. You switch to the non-placement course variant if you are not successful. Much depends on a student's early engagement, persistence and resilience.

There is a regional dimension too. A large proportion of Bath's students are drawn from the SE, for whom access to London-based placements are more straightforward than for those from other regions. If your DC is SE-based, that they can really leverage the Bath advantage; if not, then the benefit is still there but possibly more tempered.

Finally, as is often pointed out on other threads, the departmental aspect needs to be considered and can sometimes trump the Bath advantage. Both Bath and York are well regarded for Politics and IR.

However, in the case of Chemistry, where York has a stronger reputation than Bath and partly because chemistry placement/job opportunities are not as London-centric as in the case of public policy or financial services, the employment statistics are not skewed decisively in Bath's favour.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2022 09:05

My DS rejected a Bath offer in the end for another soc sci course. The employment stats and the placement were a draw but it was balanced against cost of living and ease for him of travel. In the end, he just thought the modules were more dull and the focus was almost entirely on practical stuff . He found York's course more inspiring. We did a blind test of modules. York is actually his insurance . Birmingham first choice. We did also look at league tables. Had we just gone on that, Bath would have won!

Have you visited both?

JoanThursday · 11/04/2022 09:11

On the subject of placements at York: some courses have designated 'year in industry' options as part of the course (eg Computer Science). However, if this isn't offered by a particular department, it's still possible for students to do a placement and the University offers support for this: www.york.ac.uk/students/work-volunteering-careers/skills/placement-year/

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2022 09:29

Apologies for my daft question about visits when you said in your OP!

They are both lovely places. I think the massive hill at Bath made it seem more bubbled and isolated to me.

MrsGethinJones · 11/04/2022 15:51

Hi everyone- thank you for your feedback!

York also offers a placement year,similar to Bath and both have campuses outside of the main towns! We are SE based, however both universities are equidistant from our home from a time travel perspective.

Lots for DD to think about Smile

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11plusNewbie · 11/04/2022 23:18

@Piggywaspushed thank you for sharing ! great tips too how did you do the blind test of modules ?

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 07:03

I sat with a list of modules in front of me and read them out and he rated each one out of 5 iirc, but also considered whether all first year modules were compulsory or not, balance of exams to continuous assessment.

It wasn't a particularly sophisticated method, and modules can change! Because he found choosing, even for his UCAS form, so hard we had lots of league tables - distance form home, actual location, cost of accommodation, safety, sports clubs , music, position in league tables. discover uni stats...even how many football teams he could go and watch!

Module choice one thing that counted quite strongly against Bath - they give very few details about their modules. It's like cracking the safe at Fort Knox trying to find any of them out!

JoanThursday · 12/04/2022 07:59

@Piggywaspushed - you should be able to find out more from the module catalogues. At York we link to this on the admissions course pages, but perhaps Bath do it differently.

Here's the homepage for the module catalogues at Bath: www.bath.ac.uk/catalogues/2021-2022/index.html

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 08:06

Benn there, done that joan. Still very little detail and vvvvv dry. They shouldn't make it that hard! You should be pleased that York wins 'Piggy family awards' for this aspect! Honestly, Bath, if you're watching, your website/online prospectus is a bit rubbish...

stubiff · 12/04/2022 08:24

@TizerorFizz
You mention ‘but Bath has much higher grad employment stats.’ - which websites are you using for this data please. Thanks.

TizerorFizz · 12/04/2022 08:59

@stubiff
CUG.

I get the very strong impression that Bath grads are very employable. However this might be down to the motivation and background of the students. It’s hard to judge. To be fair, both are fantastic universities.

Regarding cost of living: this is often offset in later life by getting a better job. It looks attractive to save money at 18, but it can be a false economy. We spend a lifetime at work, so a few £ extra at 18-21 might not be here or there over a lifetime if you are a high earner as a result of your degree.

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 09:14

[quote stubiff]@TizerorFizz
You mention ‘but Bath has much higher grad employment stats.’ - which websites are you using for this data please. Thanks.[/quote]
Discover Uni has earnings after periods of time plus numbers in empolyment. Bath is well known for this tbh.

Cost of living is definitely one factor at the time tizer. It has to be, especially when you are coming down to fine margins of decision making. Lots of people comment on the cost of studying at Bath - the paid placements thankfully help.

Bath does a a range of bursaries as does York ,which they publicise quite well.

TizerorFizz · 12/04/2022 14:28

But cost of living isn’t markedly different from uni to university in the overall scheme of things. Some students can work. Some will gain so much more by going to university that’s slightly more expensive if it’s a great deal better. I don’t know anyone who chose on cost of living, except not going to London! Bath and York are not the same as London and York!

TizerorFizz · 12/04/2022 14:36

Bath has university accommodation from £78 per week. I had to look twice at that price! I assume it’s not good enough for MN students but that’s hardly expensive!!! Other accommodation is expensive. But if you really want Bath, there is cheaper accommodation.

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 14:49

It's more about the rent costs in years 2 onwards in Bath. It's very lucky (and unusual)for you if these things aren't factored in but for many many people they are.

The £78 rooms are shared. But I guess you think that's fine?

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