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Dyslexic DS just CAN'T write uni essays - what help & hope is there?

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PlantFanatic · 12/01/2022 20:08

I am a MN regular, but have name-changed for this. I really need advice from anyone with a SpLD child at uni, or someone who has experience of Study Support for dyslexia.

DS (18) just completed first term of uni in a humanities subject. He had two essays of about 1800 words to complete over the break and it has caused him so much anguish and total meltdowns on several occasions.
I know this is probably dodgy, but I ended up sitting down with him for each of them, reading stuff together, making bullet points and writing them up together. They are probably crap, but they will likely get him through on this occasion. They're 'formative' assignments so marks don't count to end of term total.

I am totally shocked though, having seen first hand how much he struggles with long written tasks. His dyslexia was diagnosed at about 13 and he got through GCSEs OK although he has always had problems with working memory and absorbing written information.

He did 3 creative subjects at A level which only required coursework of written logs and shorter questions. I think he got a lot of teacher support. However everything to do with 1800 word essays has floored him:

  • there's too much to read and he can't process it/ retain it
  • he struggles to understand long questions and structure a response
  • he can't sift out the important stuff from everything else
  • the whole thing about scholarly sources and referencing is a complete mystery to him
  • it all takes him ABSOLUTELY AGES - it's painful to see Sad

He has DSA and is eligible for one hour of study support from the disability team and 25% extra time for exams (although his course doesn't have any - it's 50% practical). For some reason the study support didn't happen this term - probably because he didn't realise he had to set it up (he has also been overwhelmed by the volume of emails he receives).

I guess my questions are:

  • How will study support really be able to help? (His experience at school wasn't great from the SEN team - just endless charts and print outs without explanation)
  • What would/could they do on a weekly basis in the sessions?
  • Anything else we should be looking at to help him?

(He's already dismissed dictation software as he says he can't sort out what he needs to say quick enough).

He is enjoying uni so far, but this is really dragging him down and he's already panicking about his next written assignment.

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titchy · 12/01/2022 20:18

Well the study support could be used to go through his uni emails which would presumably be a help?

There are loads of other things an hour of personalised 1:2:1 could be useful for - study skills, making effective notes, techniques to help him read a paragraph/page/article/chapter/book (ie build up to reading long references) and make bullet points to summarise, how to structure essays due that term, a timetable to work to (eg read and make notes on Smith on 14th, Jones on 15th and Bloggs on 16th; read through notes made on 17th and check understanding etc).

But he won't know till he has it!

In the meantime can he set up an autoforward so all his uni emails also get sent to you?

Wideawakeandconfused · 12/01/2022 20:19

I’m so sorry to hear your son is struggling, people have no idea how hard it is to write blocks of copy when you are dyslexic.

We’re a bit behind where your son in but some tools that have helped my DS are:

  • dictation. I realise this has proved unsuccessful so far but my DS mind maps his work before dictating. He then goes through and tweaks it.
  • scribing. My DS has been allowed to a scribe thought out school when appropriate. Similar to the above - planning what to write first and map out the report out in a visual diagram.

Breaking everything down into smaller manageable chucks. Try not to focus on 1800, but section by section. And don’t worry about spelling, that can be amended at the end. The most important thing is to get his ideas down. Good luck to him.

titchy · 12/01/2022 20:19

The library will also have study skills courses.

Scarby9 · 12/01/2022 20:31

Your DS does need to be proactive in seeking support now he is at university.

He is eligible for DSA, so urgently needs to clarify exactly what he is entitled to, and ask for that support to begin. The information is probably on the university website so you could find it and check he hasn't missed anything, eg. www.york.ac.uk/students/support/disability/spld/

An ex-primary teacher colleague, and also a relative of mine both worked to support dyslexic students at different universiteoes in recent years. One supported all essay writing at a weekly meeting - providing substantial support for tge mechanics of writing and wording, but not the ideas. The student also had a specific computer programme provided which supported grammar and spelling.

The other worked to support students with note making, both live in lectures and from recordings. The student was also provided with the lectures and readings well in advance of the teaching, as part of the support provision.

If what he can access is not sufficient, he can go back to the support services to ask for further assessment.

But there are other technological supports you might want to look into if he/you can afford them. Talking wordprocessors, reading software etc.

PlantFanatic · 12/01/2022 20:34

I looked with him at his virtual learning environment, and there are a few study skills courses, but they are all text-heavy powerpoint presentations - no video/ no voiceover - which are, of course, exactly what he has trouble making sense of!

He definitely needs someone to 'handhold' him working through various things. The problem as well is that he's too proud and doesn't like to admit he's struggling and ask for help.

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PlantFanatic · 12/01/2022 20:36

I will make sure he contacts the disability team and sets up his meetings.

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SarahAndQuack · 12/01/2022 20:37

Study support IME is variable but often excellent (I've taught at a couple of UK universities and another elsewhere; I'm dyslexic and work with a lot of dyslexic students). If possible, he should see if he can set up a meeting asap (is he ok with zoom?) to discuss this with them and explain he's overwhelmed.

He could also talk to the people teaching him directly. Again, people are variable in their knowledge of dyslexia, but his tutors will want him to succeed. Frankly, it is not at all unusual for any student in their first term to struggle massively to write university essays, especially if they've done non-essay subjects at A Level.

All the things you're saying he struggles with are common, normal problems that other students will have too. I know you're shocked and he's struggling much more than his peers, but it's useful to keep in mind that he's got loads of time to learn.

When I teach students who sound like your son, I would concentrate on getting him to slow down and break everything into small tasks.

  • First he needs to understand the question. He might try to write down, or record, what he thinks it is about, and what is confusing. It always interests me how often students say they don't understand the question, but don't fully process or recognise that they haven't understood a key term, or they dimly realise they don't understand why the question would even matter, but they can't figure out how to say so.

At this stage, no response is silly. If he can take a really good, long time to figure out what he thinks the question means, it will streamline the whole rest of the process. If he is allowed to email his tutor to check things, so much the better (he should be super-polite doing this, and clear that he's trying to keep on top of his dyslexia, just in case the tutor isn't actually geared up to respond to questions prior to marking the essay).

  • Second, once he's got the question as thoroughly understood as possible, he needs to select a realistic amount of reading. Has he been given a list? If so, is he meant to be reading all of it (quite probably not), or just some of it? He needs to prioritise. If he's very much held up by reading speed, this might be an ongoing problem, but initially at least, a deep breath and reading a manageable amount is the best approach.

Third is learning how to take good notes from the reading, how to go through these to glean the important info, and how to relate that back to the question. This will often mean ignoring things that authors of his reading matter say are very important, because those things are not relevant to the question. IME students think this sounds simple, even patronising, when I put it like this - but they all find it hard to do. And so do I. So number 3 requires a lot of practice.

Fourth, he needs eventually to learn to reference. Unless his essay marks go towards his final result, here, what he should concentrate on is simply making a good effort to write down the names of all the material he's read, and make sure that info gets into the essay in some form. Worrying about precise details isn't, I would suggest, the priority here: the important thing is communicating where he got his ideas/secondary materials from.

I don't want to make this very long post even longer, but I hope it's a little bit useful. Please don't let him feel too daunted! Honestly, it's all doable, he got there, so he has the ability to do the course.

wonderstuff · 12/01/2022 20:40

A minor point, I’m doing a masters at the moment, and Endnote is a game changer for references, works with MS Word, upload citations from Google scholar and then as you ask it to add reference in the body of the text it automatically adds the reference at the end, so much easier than manually adding.

The version of word in office365 has a dictation and a function under the view tab which reads aloud.

handmademitlove · 12/01/2022 20:47

My dd gets books using the RNIB bookvault - this allows you to change the font / background colour to make articles or reference books easier to read. My dd really struggled to access the course materials before she had this. He can ask student services if they subscribe and can set him up an account. When she started, a 45 minute essay would take her 10+ hours but as she has learned how to structure the essays, how to use the source materials and using mind maps to help plan, she has found it easier. All these things can be supported by student services.

titchy · 12/01/2022 20:49

@wonderstuff

A minor point, I’m doing a masters at the moment, and Endnote is a game changer for references, works with MS Word, upload citations from Google scholar and then as you ask it to add reference in the body of the text it automatically adds the reference at the end, so much easier than manually adding.

The version of word in office365 has a dictation and a function under the view tab which reads aloud.

Mendeley is another one that can be added onto MS products for easy referencing.
SarahAndQuack · 12/01/2022 20:51

@handmademitlove

My dd gets books using the RNIB bookvault - this allows you to change the font / background colour to make articles or reference books easier to read. My dd really struggled to access the course materials before she had this. He can ask student services if they subscribe and can set him up an account. When she started, a 45 minute essay would take her 10+ hours but as she has learned how to structure the essays, how to use the source materials and using mind maps to help plan, she has found it easier. All these things can be supported by student services.
Further to this - it might be super obvious, but printing out lots of material (in friendly fonts) can be really useful, as can writing the essay double spaced and in a big font. I sometimes use different colours and lots of section headings in my own work, as it helps with structure. There is nothing worse than trying to think while staring at half a paragraph of 12 point Times New Roman, single spaced, especially if it's on a screen that isn't terribly big.
ineedsun · 12/01/2022 20:53

I haven’t read the replies but I work in student support at a university.
Get him to contact a student support advisor or student well-being or whatever their equivalent is. They will help him navigate the systems which are there to help, they can be really overwhelming

rainbowplease · 12/01/2022 21:05

I'm writing this as someone who went to university with dyslexia rather than an expert.

I really struggled with all the points you mentioned. His study support (when set up) should really help him break down the question. Another thing I used to do was frequent the topic forums as people often asked quite specific questions which give clues about the direction that the essay should be taking. It's a skill that needs to be mastered really and obviously being dyslexic will take him longer but he will get there.
The study support will also read over his notes/the essay. Although they might not understand the content fully they will know if the main question has been answered. They also do brainstorming.
The university will have a referencing guide so if he has that open he can literally just copy the format. You can also get Microsoft word to do it for you but always worth double checking.
I used to try and write the essay well in advance. It would be very long as I'd go off on a tangent etc etc. I'd then go back everyday to restructure the sentences and cut out bits that didn't seem relevant anymore.
He will be attaching a cover sheet though I assume which will explain the issues that someone with dyslexia may face. Such as the waffling and poor grammar.

PlantFanatic · 12/01/2022 21:17

Thanks everyone - this is all really helpful!

I'm sure part of the issue is that he's still young, immature and hasn't yet accepted that HE has to make this work for him and accept whatever help is available!

@rainbowplease - I'm not aware of the coverage thing? I know that he is not meant to be penalised for the % of marks that are awarded for spelling and grammar (3% 5% ?) but I don't know how this becomes linked and applied to his work?

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SarahAndQuack · 12/01/2022 21:24

It varies from university to university. Some places will get you to put a cover sheet on stating you're dyslexic; in other places it's done by student number (so the marker gets told numbers 117 and 134 are dyslexic when they get the essays). And if it's not blind marked, which it may not be early on, the marker will just get told his name. IME it is really worth DS checking whoever is marking non-blind does definitely know he's dyslexic as sometimes these things slip.

He doesn't sound immature btw. He sounds a bit overwhelmed but in a totally normal way!

Sickoffamilydrama · 12/01/2022 21:38

I'm dyslexic I have an MBA so it is doable. But I've built up the skill over the years and it does take practice.

Definitely as suggested he needs to find a way to organise and collate notes. I used a reference app for the MBA it has a phone app and chrome plug in so you just click and there's your reference. Also it has a word plug in so when writing you have everything there only thing is I can't remember the name of it but I'm sure the uni will a few they suggest.

So I do the required reading making notes then expand me reading. When making notes I label the notes with what book/article they are from with the title.

Also with the essay question I'll look at it as soon as possible and try and break it down into it's component parts often they help you by saying how many points are awarded for each section often in the marking allocation, so say you have a 1000 word essay there maybe 100 points for the introduction and conclusion then 400 for literature analysis & the same for arguing the main point of idea. So I'd say okay 100 words for beginning and end and 400 for each of those sections so you can then work out were the bulk of the work is.

I start to write notes of ideas about the essay like a brief outline. Then leave it a while for my brain to think about it and then starting making notes related to each part of the outline. Then start writing.

He needs to give himself plenty of time basically start the essay as soon as he knows what it is even if it is just an outline and needs to do little and often. This means there's plenty of time to read and edit at the end.

Another trick is printing out the essay and then editing it with a red or whatever colour pen which is a really good process for making you refine and add to your ideas.

I've also complained in the past about poor teaching soy auditory processing is in the bottom few % of the population save to say that I struggle with things were tutors just talk and I had one who just did videos of him talking to the camera for fucking hours and barely any supporting slides. I managed to get extra time for that module and did the exam a term after everyone else which I did actually need as I just couldn't absorb any of the content.

Sickoffamilydrama · 12/01/2022 21:41

Just seen the update definitely get the extra 5% for SEN it's helped me in the past go from a fail to a pass. Don't let him think of it as cheating of anything like that I often forget as day to day I'm fine and manage but the example I gave of the rubbish tutor really highlighted for me how hard I have to work to access some types of learning.

pawpatrolneedaunion · 12/01/2022 21:48

I work in a different discipline but generally you can spot dyslexic essays a mile off because of the structure. Arguments will crop up, disappear and then crop up again and topics will change randomly and then come back in when you least expect it.

More recently we have also seen generally poor structure from ALL students though. We frequently see essays with no paragraphs, for example. Some even have no full stops. My older colleagues blame Twitter etc.

To avoid this it's all about preparation. I would plan the overall argument and the stages in that argument. Then I would suggest planning out PEC paragraphs (make the Point, Explain it, and Conclude the paragraph). Although in my discipline I recommend PEECC (point, explain, evidence, critique and then conclude) to get better marks.

As for referencing, it's a knack, once you get it you don't understand why it was ever confusing.

It's brilliant you are supporting him.and these issues have been identified so early, before the summative assessment really kicks in.

SarahAndQuack · 12/01/2022 21:51

As for referencing, it's a knack, once you get it you don't understand why it was ever confusing.

Confused

Woah, what? This is ... so very far from my experience.

poetryandwine · 13/01/2022 15:10

Making sure your DS works with the Disabilities Team is probably the most important thing. At most large universities each School will have a Student Support Officer. Hopefully the SSO can steer him to writing workshops, referencing workshops etc run by either the library or the English Centre/Language Centre/Wring Centre/Academic Resource Centre etc.

You may also be able to do an online search.

If your DS has a good rapport with his personal tutor/academic advisor they may also have ideas for him or at least be available for some stress busting chats during their drop in office hours. Almost all of us are very happy to do this for our tutees.

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