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Durham , Warwick, Cardiff
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sillyrubberduck · 24/09/2021 21:38

Could anyone please give me some advice , pros and cons of these two universities for Maths ?
Also son is thinking as a 'safe' option Cardiff . Any feedback would be gratefully received.

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Volterra · 25/09/2021 10:00

Watching with interest as DS applying this year. Not sure Cardiff will be going down as safer option (despite another DC) there, that will probably be Exeter.

Is he doing any of the Maths entrance exams?

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NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 25/09/2021 10:15

DD looked at Warwick and Cardiff for a different subject but in the end she was totally swayed by Cardiff being a city rather than campus needing transport to towns. She wanted everything on her doorstep. I’d imagine the same logic would be applied to Durham as well. We also took in to account the travel by train from us as well- it wasn’t just about the academic side by that point.

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Languagethoughts · 26/09/2021 09:56

OP, are you wanting advice specifically on the maths courses or more generally? If more generally, what strikes me about that list is that each uni is very different in "set up". Warwick is a campus uni on the outskirts of Coventry, Durham Uni is in a small city (with how central you are dependent on choice of college), Cardiff Uni is centrally located in a reasonably large city. I think your son should give some serious thought to what sort of place he wants to live in for his degree.

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sillyrubberduck · 26/09/2021 18:01

Thank you all so much !! Warwick and Durham are his top choices just because of the subject he wants to study:maths. He has now visited both and fell in love with Durham setting (so did I to be honest) so he'll go for Durham. He was also looking at 'safe' choices and Cardiff was one of them together with Sheffield. They both sound similar in respect of setting.

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NCTDN · 26/09/2021 19:32

I'm joining this as they are on DDs list for a different subject.

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Ekofisk · 27/09/2021 08:45

The advice given to DS (engineering) was, that as his course was accredited and as such content wouldn’t vary that much between course providers, to consider what kind of place he wanted to spend 3/4/5 years studying. City, town, campus, college system, red brick, modern etc.

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Daisysway · 27/09/2021 11:20

I would say Durham a much better option than Warwick atm because they can't get their act together to offer a f2f education

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Languagethoughts · 27/09/2021 22:04

One point to be aware of for Durham is that in some colleges students often have to share rooms. Students who would not be willing to share a room should do their research on which colleges might require them to share.

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JessJossJohn · 28/09/2021 10:13

@sillyrubberduck Ds has just started at Durham but did have an offer from Warwick. What swayed him to Durham was how small it was so walking anywhere doesn't take much time at all. Durham has slightly fewer students so feels a bit smaller. It is very green for a city, lots of old trees.

Warwick is campus but second years live quite far out due to there being little accommodation near to Warwick campus so travelling in would add time and would be on the bus. Ds likes walking.

The negative about Durham is that first year college accommodation varies widely. Ds is in a no share en-suite college and was given his first choice. Durham is a mix of catered and non-catered, very old and very new accommodation. There is also the cost, it is set for self catered or catered with some reductions for sharing on increases for en-suite or 3/4 bed. So a room that looks like it was decorated in the 1950s is the same cost as the 1 year old John Snow or South Colleges or you could be lucky enough to live in an actual castle! Basically you are looking at about £6k for self catered and £8k for catered I believe.

Warwick has a wide choice of accommodation to suit all budgets but it is all self catered. Usually with Durham you know what college you have been offered before you accept the place unlike Warwick where you put down 6 choices only 3 of which can be en-suite. The reason I say usually with Durham is that Ds was guaranteed a college back in February but due to over subscription they rejigged a lot of students around. Luckily Ds got his choice but had several friends who didn't. They have since put something out that says something like we will try our best to accommodate you.

I think lots of students deferred this year so there will be places already taken up with guarantees of first choice accommodation in lots of universities for 2022. I hope that helps, I know I have not focused on the maths course but sometimes it isn't just about the course.

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GCAcademic · 28/09/2021 11:17

@Daisysway

I would say Durham a much better option than Warwick atm because they can't get their act together to offer a f2f education

While there may be an issue with a specific course, the friends I have who teach at Warwick are teaching entirely f2f courses. The OP needs to check what is happening specifically with Maths. Warwick Maths is extremely highly regarded, so shouldn't be discounted on the basis of what is happening on another course.
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MargaretThursday · 28/09/2021 13:12

DD's at Durham doing maths. She decided not to apply to Warwick, if I remember rightly one of the reasons was that they require a step grade too, and she decided that was going to be too much pressure.

Warwick is very highly rated though.

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Daisysway · 28/09/2021 18:17

Here's what the students of Warwick think... Yes Maths is highly regarded at Warwick but would you trust a university that clearly puts money before students education and well-being. This isn't just one course.. Life Sciences has been badly hit (my dds course) with 50 percent of even tutorials going back to online. She is going into second year and has not met anyone from her course yet!
Warwick In-Person Teaching Petition
Dear Vice-Chancellor Stuart Croft,

We are dismayed that the University of Warwick has announced plans to hold large lectures online, despite changes in Government guidance that indicate these events should take place in-person as we return to normality.

What this amounts to is the destruction of the degree and the undermining of the historic value of higher education as it has always been, simply for the sake of universities wanting to rake in higher profits.

But this will come at its own cost:
Online teaching has had a detrimental impact on the quality of teaching and our mental health. Many of us recall being told by our lecturers in 2019-2020 that in-person teaching was superior to online teaching. The past year has clearly illustrated that, despite the best efforts of our lecturers, the quality of online teaching & learning is clearly inferior.

Online teaching has also had a negative impact on our mental health by forcing us to work, sleep, and rest in the same space, reducing overall productivity and contributing to higher stress levels. Furthermore, online teaching has robbed students of the ability to meet and see people on their courses, something which has led many students to feel alone, worsening their mental health. Without lectures to attend, Warwick’s campus will be left barren and lifeless, leaving the distinct community that the university has cultivated for so many years to slowly disappear; an effect that will leave Warwick students, especially freshers as they try to settle in to university life, feeling more isolated than before.

We also recognise that some students prefer online lectures, and we do believe that lectures ought to be recorded and published online onto LectureCapture to allow these students to access the material in their preferred fashion.

If this university values its students more than the money we pay, in-person teaching should be offered.

The undersigned demand that the university reverts to lectures being delivered as they always have been: in-person. We are not interested in a dialogue, negotiations or talks of any kind to stall us. The university’s position is blatantly contrary to official government guidance and deeply damaging to students. If the university does not change its position, we look forward to presenting our case to the relevant decision-makers and the press.

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EwwSprouts · 29/09/2021 08:51

Glad to see the students are tackling this head on.

Online teaching has also had a negative impact on our mental health by forcing us to work, sleep, and rest in the same space, reducing overall productivity and contributing to higher stress levels If anything universities should be trying to deliver a full-on learning experience to compensate for the last year. Academic staff, unless clinically vulnerable, would only be facing the same risk as the majority of employed adults in other sectors.

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Xenia · 29/09/2021 09:06

Durham then Warwick then Cardiff.
3 of my children went to Bristol by the way and chose it over Durham (but they are not maths people)

(Good comments about online teaching in that letter above.)

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NCTDN · 29/09/2021 18:37

@Xenia there's so many rumours about Bristol and drugs. What's your take on it?

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Xenia · 29/09/2021 20:49

It was not an issue for my children. Surely drugs are everywhere - in schools across the land and every university. I don't think Bristol is any worse than anywhere else. I certainly would not discount Bristol for that reason.

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AvocadoPlant · 29/09/2021 21:05

Aren’t the 4 best for maths the COWI group ie Cambridge, Oxford, Warwick ad Imperial?

But perhaps this is out of date.

Definitely worth looking at the offering from both.

DS did Engineering at Warwick which included a number of maths modules with the maths students. However this was pre-covid with several hundred in the lecture.

As mentioned, you choose your accom at Warwick and can tailor your budget accordingly.

DD was offered a place in an uninspiring hall at Durham, (she had friends there that she had visited during her gap year and they were not impressed by the college and DD was similarly unimpressed). It cost the same as the gorgeous castle accom.

According to DS societies make a big effort to run events both at the campus snd in Lem (where most live after 1st year), with buses laid in between the 2 so students can easily attend regardless of where they live.

As a negative I would say both have received bad press with regards to their societies
From The Times today re Durham, Warwick ware in the press last (?) year re racism and treatment of female students.

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Volterra · 01/10/2021 06:58

It is interesting reading this. I was planning to suggest Durham and Warwick to DS, had been hesitant about Durham as a long way from us and Warwick as have been told there are 20 applicants per place but I think actually on reflection I would rather he puts Southampton and Birmingham instead.

I think Bristol does have it’s issue with drugs but they are everywhere. Friend’s DD has really struggled and had to move flats in year 1 because of it and has really not got on well there at all (spends as little time there as possible) but I have known loads of Bristol students over the years who loved it and feel it’s more about personality type.

I’ve worked at the university and would have loved DS to go but I don’t think it would be his kind of place.

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Nard75 · 01/10/2021 11:52

My DS1 is also looking at doing a Maths degree his first choice is Warwick. What entrance exams are DC sitting STEP, MAT or TMUA?

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