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Possible things for personal statements

34 replies

yoyo1234 · 26/04/2021 14:55

Hello, just wondered about examples of what things are good to mention for personal statements.

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titchy · 26/04/2021 15:18

Why applicants wants to study subject. What hopes to learn, what hopes to do after degree. Extra reading relevant to subject, relevant extra-curricular activities undertaken. (Eg volunteered in nursing home for med/nursing applicants, work in school for teaching applicants.)

NOT more than one or two lines of school prefect/DofE/grade 8 clarinet type activity.

yoyo1234 · 26/04/2021 15:56

Thank you 😊. Interesting about school activities. What about competitions accessed by school, eg county level sports, music activities, science/math competitions etc.

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titchy · 26/04/2021 16:14

Yes definitely if they're relevant to the subject!

AllThatisSolid · 26/04/2021 18:02

Yes definitely if they're relevant to the subject!

And the applicant can demonstrate the learning or the connection to extending their understanding of the subject they're applying to study.

kintigsullor · 26/04/2021 18:47

Imo a successful application is one that shows a genuine, self-motivated interest in the subject and perhaps not just something of an extra-curricular nature that money can be thrown at. Also make it as positive as possible so you demonstrate learning from the past/mistakes without dwelling on anything negative that might have happened. I also think, and this applies to applicants that might not have shined as much as others in the run up to university for whatever reason, that something along the lines of being determined and not giving up is useful. Contrary to popular belief, in my experience admissions departments at universities read applications carefully and they are adept at reading between the lines.

thesandwich · 26/04/2021 19:02

Extra curricular stuff like attending study days/ doing on line courses such as futurelearn/ coursera/ moocs which can all be free. Reading around subject.
But make sure to read all books etc cited!!!

Comefromaway · 26/04/2021 19:08

It totally depends on the subject. My son will talk about his music a lot, what inspires him, what analysis podcasts he listens to etc. But that wouldn’t be relevant to a maths degree, just music.

Almost all of the PS should be relevant to the subject and show how the candidate goes above and beyond.

HasaDigaEebowai · 26/04/2021 19:16

We’ve been told extra curricular stuff is a waste of the available space unless it’s relevant to the course

Jalfrezi · 26/04/2021 19:18

Whatever you put in (books read, academic competitions, MOOCs, podcasts, work experience) make sure you don't just state what you did but reflect on it. So, what you enjoyed about it, what you learnt, what you agreed or disagreed with, compare your analysis of one thing to something else etc.

FingernailNibbler · 26/04/2021 21:22

@Comefromaway

It totally depends on the subject. My son will talk about his music a lot, what inspires him, what analysis podcasts he listens to etc. But that wouldn’t be relevant to a maths degree, just music.

Almost all of the PS should be relevant to the subject and show how the candidate goes above and beyond.

Could it be relevant to the maths degree? I know people say music helps kids learn maths. It's all intervals and patterns. Bach and Mozart works quite structured mathematically? And maybe helps you see maths in the round/creative or abstract applications? Ok just googled it and lots of mathematician musicians (and vice versa) Einstein: accomplished pianist and violinist Brian May: PhD Astrophysics and degrees in maths, Imperial. Art Garfunkel: Masters in Maths, Columbia

Also this: Einstein: "I often think in music" and would sometimes play when concentrating on a difficult problem (maybe it helped him tease out the answer)
Or at least including a BIT about music to showing his character/interests? Smile

FlyingSquid · 26/04/2021 21:29

DD (applying for languages) did put in some of the much scorned grade 8 music etc but related it to her course: so she mentioned extracurricular drama as an example of rapidly learning texts and analysing nuances; singing pieces in different languages; being confident about standing up and having a go instead of being shyly silent.

FingernailNibbler · 26/04/2021 21:37

@FlyingSquid

DD (applying for languages) did put in some of the much scorned grade 8 music etc but related it to her course: so she mentioned extracurricular drama as an example of rapidly learning texts and analysing nuances; singing pieces in different languages; being confident about standing up and having a go instead of being shyly silent.
That all sounds brilliant, FlyingSquid, as well as being relevant and showing a bit of flair and individuality. It doesn't have to be simply listing achievements, but bringing them (and the student) to life with limited characters and space.
Bath789 · 26/04/2021 22:59

I think that anything that demonstrates an interest in and enthusiasm for the subject you are applying for is good. If you're applying for a subject that you're already studying at A level, it's good to say something about aspects of the course that you have found particularly interesting and why. If you are applying for a subject that doesn't directly correspond to one of your A level subjects, it's good to explain what has attracted you to that subject. It's good to show that your interest has resulted in you going beyond what is required for the A level syllabus, eg if you are applying for a literature degree it's good to show that you have read literature beyond what is required by the A level syllabus. Universities that are competitive to get into will very much expect this.

Xenia · 27/04/2021 12:51

I have seen all 5 of my children's and they vary a lot. They all, however, concentrate on the subject and only make minor mention at the end of their hobbies. None of them let me change things other than if I spotted a spelling mistake.

I particularly like this one of one of my children. He did not ask for any input and it just tells you what he is like (not that I agree with most of his views - he is vegan, into eco stuff etc but I like the way it showed exactly how he is so I hope he does not mind my putting it here - I removed the name of the school). It is for Geograrphy BSc. I have no inside knowledge of what universities want however and this may be nothing like what those involved in recruitment want and it may not even have been read by his university - he finished his degree last year. I am sure mumsnetters could rip it to pieces or disagree with most of it if they choose but I am just putting it up there as an example. His Head thought it was quite a good one too. What I liked was it was so personal to him and how he is - honest.

I don't think the below is the final version. I always had to wrench the PS from each child reluctantly and only have 4 of the 5 and only in draft form.

"I live in a world where, for the first time in history, half of the planet’s wealth is in the hands of 1% of the total population. Gluttony is killing three times as many as malnutrition. CO2 levels are double what they were 50,000 years previously. I live in a world where, for the first time in history, we, as a species, have the knowledge and power to fix these issues. There is no better moment, no more important moment in the Earth’s time span to study Geography than now. I wish to study Geography to augment my ability to help all inhabitants of the planet to thrive.

Geography is so broad that it encompasses all of my subjects. In my History A-Level course, I found it riveting how the populace of the Northern USA in the C19th and C20th had such different views on slavery compared to the ‘Old South’ and how the distribution of black Americans changed over time. Studying the environmental, economic and political push and pull factors is fascinating, as one realises that it is not as simple as social issues behind the increasing rights of African-Americans in the 1800s and 1900s. Having been curious about how African nations allowed the Atlantic Slave Trade initially to occur, I purchased Prisoners of Geography by Tim Marshall, using the money I was awarded from my school Music and Geography prizes. Marshall outlined that the extreme African climate meant that the continent has been held back for thousands of years as it is a perfect breeding ground for a virulent set of endemic diseases, such as malaria. In recent times this issue has been amplified in Africa by crowded conditions and poor healthcare, thus making worse the Ebola epidemic in West Africa. I am also fascinated by the use of GIS to see correlations and possibly find causations. For example, GIS has allowed us to multilayer data such as population density, GDP per capita and incidence of Ebola thus enabling correlation of the stated data and then debate causation. My Economics background makes it clear that having a low GDP per capita often causes poor healthcare as the lack of wealth deters investment and lack of tax revenue means that the Government cannot afford to invest in healthcare, thus aiding the spread of Ebola.

Sustainability is a key interest of mine. Watching both Cowspiracy and Hans Rosling’s Stockholm 2013 talk 200 Years of Global Change made me realise how ignorant and naïve I was about my own ecological footprint. I have completely changed my lifestyle, now eating a vegan diet, cycling rather than driving whenever possible and reducing general waste. I have set up my school’s Green Committee, with the aim of reducing the school’s and pupils’ harmful impact on the environment. In this I put the ideas I have learnt in both my Geography A-Level and also Geography Society into practice. We began by reviewing waste management and the ways in which different departments recycle waste. We then took this one step further by trying to influence pupils’ diets, such as by improving the choices with the vegetarian option, in order to make it appeal to carnivores. Inspired by the Preston Montford FSC, the end goal is now to heat a building in the school with a biomass boiler.

Having won a Music Scholarship to my school, I am now the Music Prefect and organise and take part in a plethora of ensembles. I have achieved grade 8 trumpet, grade 7 singing and am a keen guitarist, having formed the new school Rock Band. Sport is also one of my main hobbies; I have been in the school Badminton team since I joined XXX and play in my club’s senior squad. Raising money for charity, I have also completed the Windsor half marathon.

Geography has never been more relevant than now. In the future, I wish to make this ever-changing world change for the better. I believe that my enthusiasm not only for Geography, but also for sport and music should make me a valuable addition to the university."

PresentingPercy · 27/04/2021 14:57

I think it can be worthwhile linking in something about your personality and achievements. Some universities use the PS as a final decider on popular courses and doing drama, music, art, having leadership positions or playing sport means you might offer up a bit more to the university.

DD was MFL and drama and singing were mentioned by her. Oxford offered her a place and although the extras are not obviously linked, and not totally relevant, they do show character, being able to multi task and confidence to learn something new. A sentence or two isn’t wasted on such things.

yoyo1234 · 27/04/2021 16:26

Thank you very much everyone, such useful ideas. I was really moved by your DC example Xenia and the superb way that music can help with languages and maths mentioned by others

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CinnamonJellyBeans · 28/04/2021 22:33

@Jalfrezi

"Whatever you put in (books read, academic competitions, MOOCs, podcasts, work experience) make sure you don't just state what you did but reflect on it. So, what you enjoyed about it, what you learnt, what you agreed or disagreed with, compare your analysis of one thing to something else etc

Excellent advice. Critical reflection and the ability to select your own sources are key. If you're going to do this well and get into a Russell group uni, you need to start your supra-curricular very early in order to achieve breadth and depth. I spoke to a 16 year old today who has been keeping a folder of stuff she has done since the age of 11. Now that's what I'm talking about!

No adjectives about yourself should be needed to demonstrate how good you are at your subject (and "passionate" etc is very trite)

Your hobbies and lifestyle aren't very important, especially if it's run of the mill. Only bother if it enhances your subject knowledge or demonstrates that you do them to such an intense level, that the reduced time available for your good/excellent GCSE grades shows you're truly good at what you study"

CinnamonJellyBeans · 28/04/2021 23:00

Quotes were incorrect: It's just the first paragraph that belongs to Jalfrezi. Sorry

DitheringDan · 30/04/2021 16:35

If you're going to do this well and get into a Russell group uni, you need to start your supra-curricular very early in order to achieve breadth and depth. I spoke to a 16 year old today who has been keeping a folder of stuff she has done since the age of 11.

If anyone vaulted like a startled pony at that one, my son was at the other end of the scale and wrote his PS from scratch the night before the UCAS deadline.

I’m not recommending it as a method exactly...

DitheringDan · 30/04/2021 16:36

I’m not sure what word got autocorrected to ‘vaulted’ there!

LIZS · 30/04/2021 16:39

Online courses related to potential degree
Voluntary experience

Pythonesque · 30/04/2021 21:27

I agree that an individual student may well be able to link their broader interests back to the subject they've decided to apply for. As long as they do so in a natural way and don't try to force links that really don't exist, I would have thought that was fine.

DD was able to reference her experiences with psalm chant as a chorister in discussing her interests in the evolution of English, and an interest in the setting of poems to music more generally.

I'll be interested to see what DS ends up doing when it's PS time for him (next year). He hasn't decided which way to go yet, could be music or could be maths/computing/engineering. Either way some of the other interests will just have to be mentioned as both sides are so much part of who he is!

poppycat10 · 30/04/2021 21:35

If you're going to do this well and get into a Russell group uni, you need to start your supra-curricular very early in order to achieve breadth and depth. I spoke to a 16 year old today who has been keeping a folder of stuff she has done since the age of 11

That was the sort of thing I would have done (not from 11, but from 15) but ds is completely different and he got 5 UCAS offers, 4 of which were RG with a PS that goes against a lot of what's in this thread, eg about 1/3 of it was about extra-curricular stuff.

poppycat10 · 30/04/2021 21:36

I've just read his PS again and he related his sporting hobbies and lifeguarding back to his ability to cope with the course.

11plusNewbie · 03/05/2021 08:46

Are there any examples/templates of personal statements available online ? Totally new to this and trying to take it all ! Thanks

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