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A Level Grades and STRESS!!

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chocolatesaltyballs22 · 20/04/2021 09:52

I just wondered if any of you with children in Y13 have had info from their school on how they are going to asses their grades. I'm feeling a bit in the dark and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

My daughter doesn't do well in exams and she just got the results from some 'mocks' which she sat last week which are not where she expected her to be. Her teachers have said they know she is working at a higher level than this but obviously they can't give her any info on how they intend to grade her. She's stressing out massively as she needs good grades for preferred university.

We can't be the only ones in this position. Oh and she's in a private school and I just feel like they're not keeping us informed. Her GCSE results were very good but she's struggling so much with any exam type scenario at A level. The pressure they're under this year is just awful.

Any advice on your own experiences would be welcomed.

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chopc · 16/05/2021 11:46

@LeiatheSchnauzer in normal years though - grades are allocated on something like a normal distribution curve though. How well you do depends on how well someone else does

It would all be much more straightforward if the exam boards had said schools have to use from their bank of questions or papers and have a clear marking scheme which has to be followed by all

DarnSingQwean · 16/05/2021 12:46

Empathy with those of you with kids who are struggling with their mental health or who are concerned about fairness. These issues need to be aired.

I posted the comment below in the Seconday section, but is relevant here too:

The prolonged uncertainty and shifting metrics of measurement are hugely destabilising. I see many previously high achieving, engaged kids switching off in exhaustion and exasperation.

In terms of comparisons between schools, weirdly I am not too concerned. However schools chose to conduct the assessments, they will be doing so for their own cohort, so they have an idea of approx ranking within their school. They will then do an approx allocation of grades so that results are on a par with those attained in 2017-2019. Within that, if the current cohort came up to school with higher achievement, they will be able to use that an explanation for why grades are higher this year. Schools have no reason to under-grade their pupils as a whole cohort. They should only be assessing them on what they have learned, and raw scores can't be compared to previous years if they get students to sit papers where they haven't covered all the material. Where students are borderline, I think they will err on the side of upgrading.

This is not to say that individual students won't lose out. There will be injustices as they has to be with anything on this scale. But the exam system delivers injustices every year too. I think English Lang and History grading in particular is not consistent across markers in normal GCSE/A levels.

Having said all that, my DDs school has just sent an email saying that if anyone misses an assessment, they risk getting zero marks in that paper. If papers have been missed, the regulations say that schools are able submit other evidence or calculate without if there is genuine reason to do so. The reason DDs school isn't saying this is because it likes neat boxes and is very data driven. Mental health in Y11 is as you can imagine, through the floor as a consequence.

I can't wait for this to be over for all our DC. There is a huge amount of picking up the pieces for us as parents, especially for those students whose schools do not have a sixth form, who will in effect be cast adrift with no support until college starts in Sept. Teachers too are suffering massively with workload and pressure. There may well be an exodus of burnt out teachers once this is done.

As for blame - Johnson's govt's handling on the pandemic, Williamson's ineptitude, Ofqual's cowardice and lack or preparation, and (some) schools' insecurity that has put fear of being being seen as having less than perfect data over student wellbeing.

jgw1 · 16/05/2021 15:47

[quote chopc]@LeiatheSchnauzer in normal years though - grades are allocated on something like a normal distribution curve though. How well you do depends on how well someone else does

It would all be much more straightforward if the exam boards had said schools have to use from their bank of questions or papers and have a clear marking scheme which has to be followed by all

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You have to remember that dear Gav decided that exams were unfair and that this system is much fairer.

Todaytomorrowyesterday · 17/05/2021 14:54

We’ve just had more tears and I’m trying not to get angry at the school/teachers :(
But it’s hard ...this is an example my daughter loves geography and has previous been on target for an B (last year) her teacher went on maternity leave and she ended up with a few changes of teachers
The classes are not streamed...
Head of geography class - 10 pupils achieved mainly A* or A one pupil who was predicted a E got a C
The other class - 11 pupils - 2 A*, and basically a mix of B,C and D. My daughter got a D she had it remarked by head of geography and is now marked up with one mark away of a C...
The school have a nice curve to show no children are overachieving :( and my daughter been told regardless of what she achieves on the next assessment she will only get a C regardless due to the D...don’t even get me started on the coursework she was told to tidy a few bits up it was really good target B ...did the work and got a C....
She got a B on her mock paper which is not included due to her D
She is revising hard and I’m proud of her but she is completely disinterested now and feels like she failed.
The teacher who went on maternity has known her since she was in year 7 and she achieved a A at GCSE.

looptheloopinahulahoop · 17/05/2021 17:06

in normal years though - grades are allocated on something like a normal distribution curve though. How well you do depends on how well someone else does

the bell curve thing is such a nonsense, when I did my GCSEs and A levels you got graded based on the % you got and that was that. I assume that if they had a real outlier year the exam board would look to see if the papers were too easy or too hard. But you knew where you were. Your mark shouldn't depend on how someone else does, it should depend on how you do.

looptheloopinahulahoop · 17/05/2021 17:07

She got a B on her mock paper which is not included due to her D

It's very unfair that schools aren't putting forward the best evidence.

When I did my GCSE English 50% of the mark was coursework and we chose our best essays from the two years. I don't know why that couldn't have been done this year. The kids should be set up to succeed, not fail.

chopc · 17/05/2021 21:09

Tbh I don't know how grades were allocated when I did my GCSE/ AL. However the grade boundaries change every year depending on how hard the paper was which in turn depends on how everyone has performed? I believe this is how it has been done for years.

Minnie56 · 19/05/2021 12:19

@chopc

Tbh I don't know how grades were allocated when I did my GCSE/ AL. However the grade boundaries change every year depending on how hard the paper was which in turn depends on how everyone has performed? I believe this is how it has been done for years.
This is true. However grade boundaries compare students from all over the country not in the school they attend. So if someone is at a very high performing school they aren’t being compared to the other say 20 in their class but to the whole population. Much fairer.
chopc · 19/05/2021 14:55

That's why I don't think AL results this year will have any meaning @Minnie56 . There is no way universities will be aware of all the schools students come from and know what kind of cohort they are when making offers

A real shit show IMO

Minnie56 · 19/05/2021 16:14

@chopc

That's why I don't think AL results this year will have any meaning *@Minnie56* . There is no way universities will be aware of all the schools students come from and know what kind of cohort they are when making offers

A real shit show IMO

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