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US undergrad college applications

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NewtoLondonMum · 11/03/2021 08:44

Hi,Just wanted to know how easy or difficult Is the process for US college applications when one does A levels from UK.Is the acceptance level equivalent to IB students ? I am assuming it’s not very common for students to apply to US universities when there are so many good option universities wise in UK itself.

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sashh · 11/03/2021 11:44

Hi

I am not an expert but my understanding is that you need to apply to each college individually. A Levels may exempt students from 101 courses.

Taking CAT or SAT will help.

Are you a US resident in the UK temporarily or a UK resident? The answer will determine what (if any) financial support is available.

PresentingPercy · 11/03/2021 13:39

It is not uncommon in some schools but virtually unheard of in others. Some US universities have generous finance in place to "needs blind" students. Others simply will not give DC $1. If you have to pay, be prepared to dig very deep. $40,000 plus pa for tuition is not uncommon. Plus living expenses and flights etc. This is why most DC do not do it. The very bright get the needs blind offers from a handful of the tp US universities) and others are required to pay so it's what the vey rich do. DD got a place and we calculated £65,000 a year for each of 4 years. So, she went to a top university for her subject here.

There are also US university sports scholarships and I know DC who have got them.

MrsD28 · 11/03/2021 14:04

Hello - I went to university in the US and used to work as an admissions consultant (about a decade ago, so the info is a little out of date, but mostly still true).

US college decisions are made before A levels would even be taken, so what matters is grades (marks) up until that point, plus the results from standardised tests - either the SAT (not UK SATs - a different test!) or the ACT. Different colleges require different tests so it is important to research the colleges to which you want to apply first, and figure out their entry requirements. Your DC will need to study for these tests - though they are supposedly not something you have to prepare for, the reality is that most American kids do some form of test preparation, and the tests are in a format and ask a style of question that will be very unfamiliar to someone from the UK school system.

Each college has its own application, though many colleges use the Common Application (though they may well have their own supplementary forms). The process is much more complicated than applying to university in the UK, and applications often have multiple additional requirements. If they are applying to a very competitive college, they may need to write up to five additional essays, plus get multiple letters of recommendation etc. You need to set aside plenty of time for the college application process - it will take several months rather than several hours. You will also need to pay an application fee to every university - these can vary from $50 to $100.

In terms of making the decision to go: as PP have said, it is very expensive (far more so than any UK university) unless you get a full scholarship / significant financial aid. There are two main ways of getting financial help.

The first is via sports scholarships - if DC is a very competitive sports player (nationally ranked) then they may be able to get a sports scholarship at universities that particularly value that sport. This can be a great option for someone who is very serious about their sport. However, it is worth noting that these scholarships are tied to playing that sport for the university - if DC decides to stop playing, the university may stop paying.

The second way to get financial help is by going to a "need blind" college - usually, the most competitive colleges (e.g. the Ivy League, Stanford etc). When you apply to these colleges, they don't look at your ability to pay. If you get offered a place, they will work with you to make it affordable through a combination of scholarships and small-ish student loans (depending on the college). There may also be a work-study element in which you have to have an on-campus job to cover certain expenses - every college is different.

If DC is unlikely to qualify for the types of help listed above, then you should be prepared to pay anywhere from $40,000 per year to $90,000 per year, depending on the college. This would include all on-campus living expenses, but remember that US college degrees take four years, so you would be looking at a minimum of $160,000 for four years (and this would only be at the very cheapest and thus no-terribly-good colleges).

If your DC has exceptional talent either in sport or in academics, then it is definitely worth looking into. I went to an Ivy League university and it was an amazing experience. However, the top colleges are extremely competitive - DC would need to be someone who had been recognised beyond their school for their academic ability (by winning academic competitions or some sort of national ranking, for example), or have some other truly exceptional talent.

If your DC is a good but not exceptional student, and you have any sort of financial restrictions, then they would probably be better off at a UK university. The quality of education that they would receive at a mid-ranked university in the US would be no better than what they would receive at a mid-ranked university in the UK, but it would be significantly less expensive and involve a lot less time and effort to apply.

MissConductUS · 11/03/2021 15:39

I'm an American and have gone through this process with my two DC in the last 3 years. What MrsD28 has said is still spot on. I would add that US universities do attract significant numbers of overseas applicants and the medium to larger sized ones should be quite familiar with getting applicants from the UK. Contact the admissions offices of the ones you are interested in and inquire if they have someone you can work with directly.

I would also expand a bit on the financial aid issue. Every uni my kids applied to offered them what is called merit aid, which is essentially a discount to attract students they really want for one reason or another. The most common reason it's offered is because the appliant's SAT or ACT scores are higher than those of the average applicants and will boost the scores of the incoming class. This is very important to the uni because average incoming SAT or ACT scores drive the ratings they receive from the services that publish comparative rankings of universities. It's worth a great deal to them to have a higher ranking, so high-scoring students get large discounts. The trick is applying to colleges where your scores are above average for that college.

We are not paying anywhere near full price at either college my kids attend and neither of them are need blind.

I'm happy to answer any questions I can about the process here.

PresentingPercy · 11/03/2021 16:43

My DD was offered merit aid and it wasn’t very much in terms of the overall cost. USA citizens get lots of financial discounts. There are discounts for living in state, having a parent in the forces etc. Brits qualify for very little. We found the “prestige” did not outweigh the huge cost even with a discount on fees. They are only part of the financial equation.

MissConductUS · 11/03/2021 16:48

The discounts for living in-state only apply to the state run university systems, not private universities. We're in New York and there wasn't a NY State school they wanted to attend, so they're both going to private universities in Massachusettes. In my DD's case the merit aid was about 35% of the total cost of attending (including room and board) and for DS it was about 30%.

NewtoLondonMum · 11/03/2021 17:07

Thank you for all the responses.Very helpful .I am in a tricky situation since we hold Indian citizenship.So I wouldn’t get the fee reduction and would pay international fees whether in UK or US.DS is completing his IGCSE from India this year and we have to move to UK on account of DH job change.Am very confused since I know loads of students who finish IB here (since A levels are not common in India) move to US or UK but once we move to UK I don’t know how it would work out from there.DS is good in STEM subjects at A* level currently but definitely not the kind who has taken part in many world competitions or win awards for that.My biggest worry is how would he build a profile in a new school,new country that would give him a chance to apply to US.More importantly the recommendations that he would need to apply,will a teacher in his new school be able to do justice knowing him barely for 1.5 years?Will it be safer to just think of applying to UK universities when the time comes ,which I hear primarily look for good academics and well rounded profile is not that important.

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MissConductUS · 11/03/2021 17:30

In the US any teacher who has had the student in a class can write a recommendation. If they've had them in more than one class that's better, but it's not required. School administrators and coaches can also write recommendations. So I don't think your DS would be at a disadvantage applying in the US due to his recommendations.

American uni's love international students. If you can identify a few your son would be interested in attending contact them by email and request a Zoom meeting with an admissions officer to discuss it all. They'll be very happy to talk to you. They will consider your son to have a well rounded profile simply from his life history. He will have to take either the American SAT or ACT and I'm sure he can do so in London.

NewtoLondonMum · 11/03/2021 17:56

Thank you.That seems a good way to go about solving this issue.

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MissConductUS · 11/03/2021 18:13

I'll just offer one clarification. Some US uni's have made taking the SAT or ACT optional. This is not done out of the goodness of their hearts. They do it because it raises the scores of incoming classes as applicants who do poorly don't submit their scores, which boosts their ratings.

It is still to your son's advantage to take one or the other. If he does well, submit them and raise his chances of getting merit aid. If he doesn't do well he can choose not to submit them at schools where they are optional. This is a pretty good discussion on how to decide which to take

www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/act-vs-sat-how-to-decide-which-test-to-take

The same site also has a huge trove of comparative data on US colleges you can explore. For some reason this page didn't open for me in Firefox, but did in Chrome:

www.usnews.com/best-colleges

NewtoLondonMum · 12/03/2021 01:41

Thank you.The site is very informative😀

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MissConductUS · 12/03/2021 11:07

You're welcome. I was scrolling around on that site and found this, which speaks specifically to international students:

[[https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/biggest-reasons-to-choose-to-study-in-the-us 3 Biggest Reasons to Choose to Study in the U.S. -
U.S. colleges and universities are prestigious, flexible and welcoming of international students, experts say.]]

Feel free to PM if you have questions as you move forward. Smile

PresentingPercy · 12/03/2021 14:23

The IB is accepted by all uk universities. There are many that are highly prestigious here. I believe you would be international so you need to look at those fees. Imperial College and others are world class for Stem. His new school will, of course, support him. Would that be an independent school?

NewtoLondonMum · 13/03/2021 05:52

Thank you for your help.

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NewtoLondonMum · 13/03/2021 05:58

PresentingPercy .. no doubt Imperial is a dream destination if he manages to meet the high criteria.He has an offer of place at Sixth Form from Highgate School in London.When I look at their placement page (which seems very good) I get to see the information of UK placements but not of US so It got me wondering whether people don’t generally apply to US ?

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WaltzingBetty · 13/03/2021 06:52

@NewtoLondonMum

PresentingPercy .. no doubt Imperial is a dream destination if he manages to meet the high criteria.He has an offer of place at Sixth Form from Highgate School in London.When I look at their placement page (which seems very good) I get to see the information of UK placements but not of US so It got me wondering whether people don’t generally apply to US ?
Generally not - mostly because of fees but also a large proportion of 27/18 year olds don't want to be so far away from family/friends at that age. Many international students that come to the UK do so as graduates having already studied 'pre-med' 'pre-law' etc. Those courses aren't really delivered in the UK and our school leavers tend to go straight into professional degrees so for those subject areas it doesn't make sense to do additional years of 'pre' study at great expense.
mathanxiety · 13/03/2021 20:11

www.collegefactual.com/rankings/international/india/

You might like to investigate some of the universities mentioned here. They all have a high proportion of students from India, and their admissions officers would be well able to discuss all sorts of issues with you.

From a cursory glance at the list, it strikes me that many of the top 50 have a good reputation for Engineering (which is an undergrad degree) and other STEM areas of study.

Not all universities use the Common App.
www.teenlife.com/blogs/comparing-different-types-college-applications
DD3 used the Coalition App for some of her recent applications and Common App for others. Universities themselves decide which application process/platform they use. You need to look up each university to figure out which to use.

Then there are universities which require supplemental applications or information even when you have applied using a common platform.

Ideally, a foreign student would give him or herself at least two years to prepare for SAT/ACT and to take the tests, to get all the research on individual universities and finances done, to provide all the financial information universities need (you need to look up individual university requirements on this) and to get the entire package submitted in time.

Don't forget that your student will need a F-1 non immigrant student visa once accepted.

Needmoresleep · 14/03/2021 06:18

Highgate is a good school and will have experience of US applications and be able to guide you.

US Universities who recruit significant numbers of international students will know of, and value, A levels.

A levels often suit STEM kids better, as they allow a more narrow focus.

As MrsD28 suggests in her excellent post, British students are usually better off staying in the UK. We have several Universities that rank high in international tables, including Imperial, and more which are well regarded and often long established (many of which are members of the "Russell Group"). Home fees for British students are lower and most degrees are 3 years so financially there is not much reason to pay the extra. Admission is more straightforward.

Several British Universities allow a year abroad, including in the US.

PresentingPercy · 14/03/2021 09:11

Would DS be a home student op? Or an international one?

NewtoLondonMum · 14/03/2021 13:31

Thank you everyone for your suggestions.Have been accessing the links and there is a lot of information.
Since we will be moving from India after his Igcse ,he will be starting his UK studies in Sixth Form. I think he will be considered as international student since he would not have finished 3 years of UK education before joining college.

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ChimneyPot · 14/03/2021 16:51

My DD will be starting in the US as an undergrad this August.
She is doing Irish Leaving Cert exam rather than A levels but I don’t think it made any difference to the process.

She got early acceptance to a very good university.

There is a lot of information online about applying to the US. DDs school don’t have experience of sending people to the US and she did all the research herself.
She practiced the ACT exam a few times before she did it, she had planned on doing the SATs but all the sittings in Ireland were cancelled.
She doesn’t have spectacular extracurriculars but she has very good academics, very good ACT score and what I think were very strong application essays.
There is a good event in London in September with lots of US universities in attendance.

mathanxiety · 14/03/2021 18:45

Well done to your DD, @ChimneyPot.

hidingmystatus · 15/03/2021 22:13

@NewtoLondonMum try having a look at the Fulbright website, which runs the September event Chimneypot is talking about.
My DD is at a US Conservatoire, but her application was completely different because of that so I can't really help there. The Fulbright bunch can provide a lot of help and Highgate really ought to be able to tell you a lot too. However, you need to be pretty beforehand - a lot of the colleges have deadlines earlier than here and there are a lot of extra essays and so forth - different ones for different colleges, unhelpfully.
If you want to visit universities/colleges, you need to plan now. They have fixed groups and dates and the popular ones fill up quickly - and you will only have school holidays to do it. Mostly dates and times are on the university websites.
Before we settled on Conservatoires, we had a list including universities, and then we booked tours/visits before Christmas of Y12 to visit in Feb half term and Easter of Y12.
On SAT - apparently the results are scaled to the ability of the cohort taking that particular sitting - and so the sittings in the UK/internationally can require a much higher raw mark than you expect. This was a massive surprise to us! You might want to check that. But you need to have been properly prepped for it - again, Fulbright's website can guide you.

ChimneyPot · 16/03/2021 16:01

@mathanxiety
Thanks.
I did a search here on the college to see if anyone had experience of a child going there and your name came up. It’s the same college as one of your DDs

Beenabadday · 16/03/2021 16:16

Highgate will definitely know how to help your child through the process. I know someone from there who will be applying in the Autumn having failed to get an Oxbridge place and whose parents feel that nowhere else in the UK could possibly be good enough for their offspring. They have had support from school.

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