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Applying to be a Doctor 2022

24 replies

Anna2 · 30/01/2021 23:21

Hi my son is in Y12 and wants to be a doctor. We're just starting to research it but can someone tell me... if you apply to 4 med schools and don't get any of them are you then left with a fifth choice - if you don't get that, is clearing then your only option and does this mean you won't get to do eg medicinal chemistry/biomed science at a good uni? I can't seem to find the answer to this.
Also if anyone has any general tips... would be grateful. No one in our family of arty types has ever applied to med school! Thank you.

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AwkwardPaws27 · 30/01/2021 23:31

If he is set on medicine, I'd consider taking a gap year to gain additional work experience (if he doesn't get any offers for medicine). Resits could also be an option but hopefully that won't be necessary. The extra experience could increase his chances of an offer the second time around (provided grades, interview technique etc are up to scratch).
If he does a different undergraduate degree, be aware of the impact on funding if he then goes on to take medicine afterwards; the costs could be very significant, and I don't think the competition is any less (when I was studying a biomed degree few years ago, I think it was actually more competitive for graduate med than undergraduate, or so people in my classes who were applying said).

SeasonFinale · 31/01/2021 13:47

There are far more knowledgeable people than me on this subject but if you have a quick look at previous medic/medicine threads many treat the process as a 2 year one rather than one and also the name of the game is research, research, research so that you DS targets the unis that play to his strengths (eg. some place more weight on gcses and others don't), and whether to keep options open by applying to UCAT and BMAT unis. Also depsite being a high flyer with margins so fine not to apply to all very prestigious unis as there is a risk he justs misses out at all.

Decorhate · 31/01/2021 13:53

OP most years there are plenty of biochem/biomed type courses at good universities in clearing - I remember checking out what was available the night before my Dd got her results.

I think most applicants get an offer for their fifth choice fairly easily but of course those with two or more offers for medicine are unlikely to put that down as their insurance

It’s always wise to look at it as a two year process for medicine and reapply if not successful first time round, but I’m not convinced that taking a gap year before applying is necessary - it’s such a long course anyway especially if they intercalate. Don’t get hung up on work experience. More and more it is the grades that matter and personal statements are often not yet looked at when they are deciding who to interview. Some sort of volunteering is useful but you would be surprised at what you can spin if you try!

Decorhate · 31/01/2021 13:57

And what I forgot to add is that some unis are now offering foundation/access courses too which might be another alternative to doing a science degree & graduate medicine

AlexaShutUp · 31/01/2021 14:04

DD is only year 11 but wants to apply for medicine in 2023, so following with interest.

Decorhate · 31/01/2021 14:13

For a Y11 the main thing to focus on now is getting the best GCSE results she can

AlexaShutUp · 31/01/2021 14:31

For a Y11 the main thing to focus on now is getting the best GCSE results she can

Thanks Decorhate, she got straight 9s in her mocks in November/December and is working really hard through lockdown, so hopefully she is on track with that. She's hoping to get back on track with volunteering etc after lockdown.

AwkwardPaws27 · 31/01/2021 14:36

It’s always wise to look at it as a two year process for medicine and reapply if not successful first time round, but I’m not convinced that taking a gap year before applying is necessary
Sorry I didn't mean just take a gap year; I meant, reapply if not successful on first application, rather than doing a different degree.

SeasonFinale · 31/01/2021 14:43

@AlexaShutUp

For a Y11 the main thing to focus on now is getting the best GCSE results she can

Thanks Decorhate, she got straight 9s in her mocks in November/December and is working really hard through lockdown, so hopefully she is on track with that. She's hoping to get back on track with volunteering etc after lockdown.

She may want to have a look at some of the online volunteering opportunities that are avilable currently (to do after her "exams") as there are certain online ones she could tap into and get under her belt.
AlexaShutUp · 31/01/2021 14:57

She may want to have a look at some of the online volunteering opportunities that are avilable currently (to do after her "exams") as there are certain online ones she could tap into and get under her belt.

Thanks @SeasonFinale, that's good advice. She did volunteer with the Rainbows for around 6 months before covid hit, but that all stopped unfortunately. She has plans for volunteering at the local children's hospice also, but they won't let her do it till she is 16. Online volunteering sounds like a good plan for the interim - I'll have a Google, but any suggestions would be very welcome.

AlexaShutUp · 31/01/2021 15:05

@SeasonFinale, thank you so much, I'll get dd to look at all of those.

SeasonFinale · 31/01/2021 15:06

and also see www.themedicportal.com/application-guide/work-experience/volunteering/ :

SeasonFinale · 31/01/2021 15:07

AlexaShutUp you're welcome

HelloDaffodils · 31/01/2021 15:51

Also watching with interest @Anna2 Thanks. Good luck to your son!

Anna2 · 31/01/2021 20:33

This is very useful info - thank you!

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HostessTrolley · 01/02/2021 09:53

I know on the student room forum they strongly advise against taking the 5th ucas option with the aim of doing that degree with the aim of postgrad medicine. Apparently the competition for postgrad medicine places is far higher than undergrad medicine, it takes longer to become a doctor, and the costs are massively higher and there can be student finance issues. The advice generally is to get the best A levels possible, work or volunteer in a preferably healthcare related job, and reapply.

Another thing to be aware of is that medicine applications differs to other uni applications. There aren’t really ‘top’ and ‘bottom unis as they all pass the same exam at the end. But they all select candidates for interview on different criteria. Some put more (or less) focus on gcses, some score personal statements where others don’t, some have additional forms to fill in for voluntary work/work experience, the predicted grade boundaries and standard A level offers will differ, and how they use the entrance test marks will differ. So rather than students looking at unis they prefer, it’s better to research where their profile will give them the best chance of interview, and apply tactically. There’s little point in someone with amazing predicted A levels but ‘good but not amazing’ gcses applying to unis that prioritise gcses - they’d have a far better chance of interview elsewhere, and it’s all about maximising the number of interviews.

The thresholds for interviews this year has been ridiculous. Many of the unis are honouring offers made to last years applicants due to the government U turn on A levels which has meant fewer places available for this year’s applicants, together with ongoing uncertainty about this years A level results too, so lots of very strong applicants for this year are just not going to get in. This might well have a knock on effect for next year as some of these will choose to reapply.

Having said that it’s not all doom and gloom. My d is a current second year med student. She loves her course even during lockdown and feels that although year 13 was a tough year, it was worth it. She said that her workload is high and the pace is fast, but the stress levels are nothing like year 13.

MarchingFrogs · 01/02/2021 12:21

TSR (The Student Room) would be a very good place for your DS to look for information, if he hasn't found the site already.
www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=195

Anna2 · 02/02/2021 14:01

HI all, thank you so much. I now have another question about personality types! My son is not going to be the outgoing, loud, won't stop talking, enthusiastic type - he is quieter (not quiet/shy) but wonder if they are just looking for outgoing types? I suppose I am asking if you're a bit introverted do you stand NO chance? Interested to see what people think. I think quiet personalities always have a lot to bring to the table but ....

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SeasonFinale · 02/02/2021 16:05

Don't worry - I see lots of quiet types get medical offers too.

shank2 · 02/02/2021 16:37

My daughter is now a 2nd year medical student - quiet but is gaining in confidence - not everyone can be loud - she is a good listener which I think is important -

mumsneedwine · 02/02/2021 16:59

My DD was so quiet at school. Worried her teachers and was forever being told she needed to try to contribute. She's now a 3rd year medical student. Got 4 offers. Those listening skills come in very useful in MMIs

2old4thisnow · 07/05/2021 17:22

Hi Anna, I saw your question about personality types here. Don't worry, quieter students will be absolutely fine at interview so long as they can put a brave face on any nerves and get their answers across!

There's an absolute wealth of guidance on how to handle MMIs out there, all of which emphasises that these exams are much more about preparing and being empathetic than about having a loud personality! Communication skills for Medicine are your ability to listen to others, show empathy, and communicate concisely.

E.g.
unofficialguidetomedicine.com/wp-content/uploads/previews/9781910399316_Getting_into_Medical_School_Sample.pdf
www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1963360
www.blackstonetutors.co.uk/mmi-interview-tips.html

CovidCorvid · 07/05/2021 19:22

@AlexaShutUp

She may want to have a look at some of the online volunteering opportunities that are avilable currently (to do after her "exams") as there are certain online ones she could tap into and get under her belt.

Thanks @SeasonFinale, that's good advice. She did volunteer with the Rainbows for around 6 months before covid hit, but that all stopped unfortunately. She has plans for volunteering at the local children's hospice also, but they won't let her do it till she is 16. Online volunteering sounds like a good plan for the interim - I'll have a Google, but any suggestions would be very welcome.

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