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Applying for medicine 2022 how to tactically apply

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jenthehen · 10/01/2021 19:11

My daughter is currently year 12. She’s really hoping to study medicine but she realises she’s up against tough competition. She’s bright but mainly 7’s and 8’s at GCSE rather than straight 9’s. She works so hard to get these grades and realises that straight A’s at A level are going to require intense study.
She’s realistic and knows that applying to the top medicine courses would be probably be unrealistic but she’s finding it hard to know where to apply. She’s studying Biology, Chemistry and Psychology. Can anyone offer any advice on which Unis she could apply to. She’s so far ruled out all unis requiring BMAT (she’s focusing on the UCAT), also ruled out London Unis due to living costs and also Exeter and Birmingham due to competition for places. There’s no real help available from school (state school) and we have no medics in the family. Any help and advice very welcome.

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sandybayley · 10/01/2021 20:21

@jenthehen - I'm not the person to help but we already have a 2022 thread. I'll bump it now as I don't know how to link.

jenthehen · 10/01/2021 20:46

Thank you sandybayley

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Revengeofthepangolins · 10/01/2021 21:10

I know it seems a slog but I ghiglu recommend going back in time and reading this year’s medic threads ( and possibly the one before too). I have noticed in passing lots of really interesting guidance being shared over time.

jenthehen · 10/01/2021 21:46

Thank you Reven, I’m making my way through them. My daughter has done loads of research herself up to this point and I really feel I need to do whatever I can now to help her achieve her goals.

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HostessTrolley · 11/01/2021 11:09

Hi,

Her gcses are not a disadvantage - there are not really ‘top’ med schools, there are just different course structures to suit different types of learners.

Applying tactically is the best option - there would be little point in applying for GCSE heavy medical schools without a very highly proportion of A* equivalents, but lots of universities (Cambridge, imperial and others) who don’t really factor in GCSEs as long as a threshold has been reached. The idea is to maximise the number of interviews as many unis pretty much then select in interview score alone.

The most important things are trying to have AAA minimum as predicted grades, and getting the best possible scores in the entrance tests which are either the UCAT of BMAT depending on which universities you’re applying for. These exams happen in the summer/autumn at the start of year 13. In addition having a realistic awareness of life as a doctor and a medical student - which can be demonstrated in many ways including shadowing/volunteering and reflection on these, but of course that’s difficult just now so there are some online work experience things, I know Brighton uni offer one.

There is a lot of advice available on the student room forum - a whole section on medicine and once your d has her entrance test score there are people there who are doctors with an interest in helping medicine applicants who can give tailored advice on applying tactically.

My d is a second year medical student at imperial. She was by no means a straight A* student at gcse, she got 2xB grades but she managed to get four interviews and a place on her dream course.

HostessTrolley · 11/01/2021 11:12

Just to add - my daughter found it helpful to think about what were important factors for her in terms of where to apply and then made a spreadsheet so she could compare more easily. It all went out of the window when she went to open days and loved a uni that she hadn’t previously really considered, but it was a helpful tool.

jenthehen · 11/01/2021 13:36

Thanks so much replying “Hostess Trolley”. It’s lovely to hear success stories particularly from students who aren’t straight A* for everything. Congratulations to your daughter! My daughter has been proactive and has done several of the online med work experiences (including the Brighton one). I sat with her during a conference on Saturday and realised that she’ll be up against a significant number of incredibly bright students. She’s passionate about getting into medicine and has a real ‘can do’ attitude. Do you mind me asking which Uni’s your daughter was offered interviews at?

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HostessTrolley · 11/01/2021 14:18

@jenthehen she started out really wanting to go to Nottingham or kings but was interested in UCL. She went to the open day at imperial with a friend as it was the day after UCL - she didn’t like the feel at UCL but loved imperial.

Her interviews were Nottingham Sheffield Imperial and Kings. She had offers for the first three and was waitlisted for kings. She made the decision that she was going to firm imperial (A*AA) and insure Sheffield (AAA) - the standard offer for Kings was the same as imperial so she withdrew before she got a decision from them as it wouldn’t have made a difference. The decider between Sheffield and Nottingham as insurance was partly due to her perception of Sheffield as warm and friendly, and partly the direct train to oxford (boyfriend 😂)

To be realistically thinking about applying for medicine they’re all incredibly bright. It can be quite daunting but someone gets those places so why not your d? Mine found it hard to get medical work experience as we don’t have any contacts or family links, but her part time job in catering and coaching at her sports club gave her some evidence of transferable skills and ability to answer the ‘tell me about a time when you demonstrated leadership...?’ type interview questions.

jenthehen · 11/01/2021 14:55

Thanks so much, that’s really helpful. Our daughters sound very similar and we don’t have any medics in the family either. She did persuade our local hospital to give her a week of work experience when she was in year 10 which she loved and she’s also volunteered at her local sports club and a Beaver group. She’s determined to succeed and doing everything she can to make it happen. Hopefully the careful selection of uni places will help her succeed. Thanks again and best wishes to your daughter with her career.

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jenthehen · 11/01/2021 15:01

Do you mind me asking what your daughters predicted grades were and what she actually obtained?

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Monkey2001 · 17/02/2021 15:35

@jenthehen this is the other thread - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/4102976-Medicine-2022-entry-How-difficult-is-it-really-title-edited-by-MNHQ-at-OPs-request?watched=1&msgid=104774966#104774966

If your DD is very worried about getting AAA, there are some universities with VERY broad contextual applicant lists - Bristol and Birmingham both given reduced offers to people who have done A levels or GCSEs at a very long list of non selective state schools. The Bristol offer is AAC/ABB for a lot of candidates, but they need an excellent UCAT to get an interview.

jenthehen · 17/02/2021 16:37

Thank you @Monkey2001 do you know if there’s anyway of finding out if her school would be on one of the lists?

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Monkey2001 · 17/02/2021 16:54

Also consider Sheffield is AAB if you have an A/A* at EPQ

jenthehen · 17/02/2021 17:08

Thank you so much. She’d found the Sheffield EPQ option and that’s currently on her short list.

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jenthehen · 17/02/2021 17:14

That’s really interesting as her school isn’t for Bristol but it is for Birmingham. Really helpful thank you.

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NoNotHimTheOtherOne · 17/02/2021 17:16

Also consider Sheffield is AAB if you have an A/A at EPQ*

But, as with Bristol, you need a stonking UCAT score to get an interview.

Monkey2001 · 17/02/2021 17:32

@NoNotHimTheOtherOne

Also consider Sheffield is AAB if you have an A/A at EPQ*

But, as with Bristol, you need a stonking UCAT score to get an interview.

Absolutely, just making the point that not all med schools require AAA from all applicants and some (not all) have very wide contextual conditions. Sheffield not quite as stonking at Bristol, but high. Can make it easier for DC to take UCAT very seriously if they see the consequences of an excellent score.

KMMS also AAB, but very opaque shortlisting which seems to check whether you are in the top x% of your school cohort.

ccxxzz · 17/02/2021 17:41

If your DC is at a comp I would look and see how many A grades it gets per year in the STEM subjects at A level.

When the science A levels got tougher a couple of years ago, some comps really struggled to provide adequate preparation.

If you see just a sprinkling of A grades it's a sign that extra tutoring might be necessary.

Everything hinges on the predicted and then (in a normal year) the grades achieved in the exams.

Candidates with brilliant UCAT/BMAT, volunteering, references, extra curricular accomplishments, and holding offers, get rejected every year for the want of perhaps one or two marks on just one of the three A levels. It really is viciously competitive.

And when my DS got offered a place there were a few candidates from European independent schools at the MMI stage. I'm not sure if this has changed due to the loans situation changing post Brexit, but it did make him appreciate the breadth and depth of the other candidates' qualities, many of whom were incredibly well rounded and multi-lingual.

So I would prioritise A levels, as these are the variables that can be most affected by the lack of adequate groundwork.

There really is no substitute for getting the high grades. Achieving a contextual ABB sounds easy. But the exams can throw up the unexpected for the poorly prepared.

And getting something done about poor teaching can be harder than it sounds in the state sector. By the time parents realise that something is wrong, the pupil could be half way through sixth form. Then who wants to be the one to complain when the judgement of teachers is more important than ever.

I do empathise with new entrants. The whole process gets more and more onerous each year. Who would believe that you could waltz in to med school with classics and the odd Grade C, a few decades ago!

jenthehen · 17/02/2021 20:09

It certainly is an onerous process. She’s definitely applying herself and so far she’s on target for her grades. Thanks for all of the advice.

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ccxxzz · 30/05/2021 17:35

What a lot of hypocritical patronising rot from some of the posters on here!

Paying upwards of £25,000 per year for private education, excessive tutoring and paying to be in the catchment area of a great school are just other means by which parents buy advantage for applicants.

You are doing nothing worse than this OP, you're just doing it a bit too late in the day, rather than from the age of five like a lot of them will have done.

Anyone would think their little darlings had dropped out of the womb spouting Proust, such is the contempt for more obvious forms of preparation.

The top up prep you are considering is no less vulgar than paying for prep school - the clue is in the name there!

Some of the candidates applying for Oxbridge will have had years of debating prep, so when it comes to thinking "on their feet" the replies will naturally appear to be spontaneous and unrehearsed.

And don't tell me that the academics have some form of supernatural ability to distinguish between merit and polish.

I certainly think not!

Potential is laid down in the genes at birth - all the rest is polish of one form or another.

Some folk have the greater means with which to add more shine.

ccxxzz · 30/05/2021 18:21

Oops! Wrong thread!

Card1gan · 03/06/2021 00:18

My advice to your DD would be to spend as much time as possible preparing for her UCAT @jenthehen. Her score will have far more significance on where she is most likely to be successful than her GCSE results. DD decided not to spend too much time researching different Universities before knowing her score, and despite doing well she knew her score wouldn't be high enough for eg Bristol. Applying strategically is really important to maximise the chance of being successful. Good luck to you and your DD, it's a roller coaster!

jenthehen · 03/06/2021 06:53

Thanks card1gan, she’s going to focus on her mocks for the next couple of weeks and then really apply herself to the UCAT. Hope everything works out well for your DD.

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sandybayley · 03/06/2021 07:31

@jenthehen - you can now create an account on the UCAT website but you can't make a booking until
28 June. First tests are from 26 July,

It starting to feel just a bit real...

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