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St Andrews into 2021 (new thread)

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Newgirls · 11/12/2020 15:16

Ok can’t think of a catchier title! If anyone can send the other thread over here pls do!

Prospective and existing parents etc all welcome here. Transport, accom, cloaks, choirs, beaches and more to be discussed. Next year will be better surely!

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FriendlyLaundryMonster · 11/10/2022 09:57

Hello all,
My ds has just put down St Andrews as one of his choices on his UCAS form. Would any existing mums be able to advise whether they think direct entry to second year prevents making friends (as peer groups are already established?). Also, he is predicted 4 A Levels at A star and has done an EPQ. He's a very motivated, hard-working individual. I'm just wondering whether first year would be 'boring'?!!! Sounds so dreadful to say it, but you know what I mean.
He wants to read computer science. We visited St A and the department seems on the outskirts. Does anyone have a CS student, and how have they felt about this?

ApolloandDaphne · 11/10/2022 10:44

@FriendlyLaundryMonster

I wouldn't recommend going straight into second year. He would miss so much from being there from first year, not just socialising but understanding how the CS dept like things done. He may find the work easy but it is no bad thing to consolidate.

In terms of the department itself, St Andrews is so small that nothing is far away. Loads of departments are in the North Haugh as are some halls. It is so close to town as to be unremarkable.

Stockpot · 11/10/2022 10:50

If he does 4 years the first year will not be all computer science. He will choose an additional subject which will be new to him. So that is. Wry enriching from a personal point of view.
DD was humanities with 3 A*s, she is enjoying her courses in the first year, even the two that she had at A levels. She is well prepared (she has already read 5 of the suggested books for extension reading), but even so, it is not too slow or too boring for her. It is finally a chance to talk about these things she is interested in at a higher level. She is getting a different perspective and seems to have enough challenge to grapple with and make her think.

I don’t know if STEM would be different.

I think St As is small enough that they will eventually get to know everyone. It takes time to feel at home whether you start in the main stream or not.

FriendlyLaundryMonster · 11/10/2022 11:20

Thanks for the perspectives!

Alittewornout · 11/10/2022 11:29

My dd did direct entry to 2nd year for the integrated masters in maths. No regrets at all but she was very sure maths was all she wanted to study. If there are any doubts then 1st year entry would be beneficial as a range of subjects can be taken, time table allowing.
As for friends she has lots! To all intents and purposes direct entry students are treated like first years in regards to accommodation etc.
My dd has made friends in all of her modules and through the societies she is a part of.
It has worked out very well for her. If given an offer he will be able to discuss his options with his academic advisor.

SayYouDontMind · 11/10/2022 21:25

EachandEveryone please tell me more about your niece's ceiling falling in on her bed 😱Was that in Halls or private rented? Thank goodness she wasn't home! Is she getting rehoused?

EachandEveryone · 11/10/2022 23:25

No shes in another room whilst they fix it. The dust got everywhere. Shes abit nervous tbh incase it happens again. It was in halls. It mustve been a leak or something building up.

SayYouDontMind · 13/10/2022 21:01

EachandEveryone I hope they fix it up well and reassure her before she moves back in. My DS's halls sprung a leak in the first week he was there - water running down the walls of a few rooms, out of light fittings etc... All sorted now apparently.

Eightytwenty · 14/10/2022 08:30

Goodness. What a fright.

DS has a choice of hot water or lights on in the shower. Not that I’m an electrician but it feels badly maintained doesn’t it?

Stockpot · 14/10/2022 13:43

DD still pibes for halls closer to the humanities…she might actually be luckier than she realises. Her room is warm and clean!

Stockpot · 14/10/2022 13:44

Pibes? Pines!

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 15/10/2022 15:21

are 2 emails, one with links to info including scholarships and one to confirm fee status normal for a St Andrews application? DS submitted yesterday and received the emails a couple of hours later

Aurea · 15/10/2022 15:57

My son has applied for comp sci starting 2023. He's a Scottish student and obviously hasn't heard back yet.

However, I thought you may all wish to be made aware of accommodation crisis going forward.

I have recently contacted the CASH campaign (campaign for affordable student housing) and I am copying their worrying response below:

I’m sorry to say but I don’t believe the situation will have improved by much of a margin by that point. I’ll explain why.

We had a meeting with members of the Principal’s Office yesterday and the University it seems is not willing to take enough action on the crisis.

We found out in the last days that the University has actually increased student numbers again, despite the worsening crisis and no legal mandate this year to take on the oversubscribed students from the Higher grades crisis. Add onto this that unless the private housing market suddenly turns around and properties are returned to students from the holiday-let market, the University has already acquired pretty much as many rooms outside of St. Andrews as they possibly can and halls of residence are at capacity. We already had the highest number of rejected halls bedroom applications in the history of the University last year (1000, 10% of the entire student population). With an increase in numbers again, this is going to increase even more. That spillover will enter the private market and push up demand (and rent) even further.

The HMO ban (which restricts homes of multiple occupancy and was intended so local families would have access to housing in town) might open up some spare ‘locked’ bedrooms, but from our research, most students have responded to the ban by illegally letting out spare bedrooms to friends to reduce the rent. Even if we get a temporary revision of the ban, I can’t see it making a profound enough impact to reduce the housing challenges we’re seeing.

New student accommodation won’t be built until at least 2026, and the situation is worsened by Dundee. Hundreds of students were located there this year, and many went to the private market. The semester of St. Andrews starts some weeks before Dundee Uni, and so students had a first pick of properties there as they began panic searching a few weeks earlier. Dundee uni students are now living in hostels and airbnb’s as there is no homes left in the city. The issue I see here is St. Andrews students are mostly international and leave their property during summer to go home, this is far more uncommon at dundee university. Therefore we might be about to see a situation where dundee students keep a hold of their lease, or take on St. A student properties when they leave in anticipation of not securing a home for next year. And so many more St. Andrews students might be looking even more desperately for a home, on top of the increase in student numbers, which will only drive increased rents again and it will be even more difficult to find someplace.

Unless your son is from a disadvantaged background and is low income, there’s very little likelihood that he will secure a place in halls of residence for his second year and he will be forced to enter the private market.

It’s confounded by the fact that St. Andrews house prices have increased 31% in just the last year, with many going to the buy-to-let and holiday-let market. With such increases, rent will go up too so landlords can maintain their yields.

The one positive is the recently introduced short-term let legislation, which might restrict those property owners and those homes might return to the rental market. But we’re already at a point where St. Andrews is one of the most expensive places in the UK to be a student, and I can’t see that changing any time soon. Any profound change is going to take several years, and probably the entire time your son is at university.

I wish I could say things will be different, but with speaking with fife council and senior management at the university, it seems nobody is willing to take the radical action we need now to slow the crisis.

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 15/10/2022 16:52

wow😐thank you so much for the info - that's worrying -we are v low income, but in general terms, do most students who want it have a shot at living in a hall for 3 years, or at least first and fourth year?

Stockpot · 15/10/2022 18:32

Ouch!

Not sure how we should react to this. It’s pointless to bid up all the housing and leave some homeless.

Do low income or foreign students get any priority?

Monkey2001 · 16/10/2022 00:26

I don't know who gets priority, but although they say 1,000 did not get back into halls, a lot were successful. My son had 2 years in University Hall and was offered accommodation again for third year, but chose to move out. I think all his friends who applied were also successful. You can guarantee accommodation by taking a role on the hall committee, that has been the case at universities for many years. You could do a FOI request, but I suspect a lot of those unsuccessful applicants wanted self catered shared bathroom, which is cheap and very popular, I think people wanting to stay in Andrew Melville have a higher success rate.

It is frustrating to hear that the university is stringing out the accommodation crisis by continuing to increase student numbers without considering where they will live.

Newgirls · 16/10/2022 10:11

The uni should reduce intake until 2026 surely. Madness.

I hear similar stories at other unis - Manchester etc. they all seem very cash focused.

my dd has been in halls for 3 years which I have I say is a bargain. Going in to the private housing market would be more £££

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Reusername · 17/10/2022 20:43

Am already stressing about housing for next year! I'm on the St Andrews Parents FB page and you can see from the discussions that quite a number of Americans buy local housing for their kids (in cash) which I think pushes up prices further. So little on the rental market in the town. I was told by agents to make sure my DS gets to know some fourth years as many flats don't get marketed - he has yet to meet any.

Stockpot · 31/10/2022 17:31

Just getting back from visiting DD. It was lovely to see her. She seems well stuck into her first year now.

We had an explore of the nearby harbour towns. Really charming!

Valleyofthedollymix · 01/11/2022 09:55

We went to see DS too - I felt bad as I'd booked before I knew it was reading week which meant he was stuck up there while almost all of his friends had gone away and he probably should have come down here instead. However, he said it was actually really good being there with so few people as he made some more friends.

It's a lovely place, it really is. It offers an almost undiluted university experience. Brilliant for the first year (might be less so for the fourth).

Newgirls · 01/11/2022 12:45

Glad you saw it - it really is a magical place and yes undiluted sums it up - you have to be part of uni life up there.

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Eightytwenty · 01/11/2022 13:50

Glad you enjoyed your visits. Love the undiluted description. I walked past some Edinburgh students the other day and reflected on my own experience which was that people were scattered. There were lots of choices about where to go out. As a result and even in a small city you didn’t run into people in the same way you do at St A.

@Stockpot the East Neuk is lovely. Posh folk descend to Ellie in the summer for beach cricket and crab sandwiches.

Monkey2001 · 01/11/2022 15:29

Yes, a very special place. I think of it as Cambridge-by-sea, clever people, old buildings, with the stunning landscape as a bonus, I love the way that everybody bumps into people they know wherever they go. If it was not for the accommodation shortage it really would be perfect!

Valleyofthedollymix · 01/11/2022 16:26

He says you barely need a mobile phone as you'll always bump into someone. He's relentlessly social so he loves that. He has a load of friends in Edinburgh but feels as though he's having a better time and has made more friends than them.

I'm already fretting about the accommodation next year (he's not). Mind you, apart from Oxbridge that's the case in all universities isn't it? I'm hoping that it might be slightly better next year if they've been more conservative on letting in this year's first year's...

Monkey2001 · 01/11/2022 16:32

The accommodation problems are in most of the south, the most selective universities in the north and cities in Scotland. I think Sheffield, Nottingham and Newcastle are all fine.

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