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Oxbridge Aspirants 2021 - New Thread (2)

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Baaaahhhhh · 07/09/2020 12:04

Sorry posted last message on the last thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/3757768-Oxbridge-Aspirants-Sep-2021

Here is the new one......

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WarmAndco3y · 23/09/2020 13:43

Sounds awful Baaaa....

Revengeofthepangolins · 23/09/2020 13:48

@Baaaahhhhh To not allow applicants to drop out is bizzare - why waste one of their 5 choices if they have changed their minds? And in any case, school can't force someone to apply - the UCAS form is in the control of the child.

goodbyestranger · 23/09/2020 13:49

Of course they can drop out if their application hasn't yet been submitted. And even if their application has already been processed by UCAS, all an individual applicant needs to do is decline Oxford or Cambridge as an option. School tutors should be ignored if they're talking nonsense.

Revengeofthepangolins · 23/09/2020 13:49

And whilst I was a bit non-plussed by the paucity of commentary on DS1's PS after a fortnight of chasing, I too think that may be preferrable to loads of cycles of messing around. I do not think DS would have been willing to do that in any case, which perhaps isn't promising :-)

goodbyestranger · 23/09/2020 13:51

I disagree. It's probably promising.

WarmAndco3y · 23/09/2020 15:40

We are pleased to be welcoming a record number of new undergraduates in October, including the highest ever number of state school students.
No student has been required to defer entry to 2021.

DS just showed me the above statement on the Cambridge official Instagram page

quest1on · 23/09/2020 20:03

DS is in quite a large year group (200 or so). The A-level results were up last summer. It’s easy to track their results, year on year, as they appear in the independent league tables. Normally they get around 70% A*-A at A-level, maybe 75% in a good year. This summer it was 80% - so you can see the clear impact of teacher assessment giving the benefit of the doubt. However, there’s only about 10 (out of the 90 or so students listed on the current Oxbridge applicant forum) from last year who have submitted to do “early applications” (ie medicine or Oxbridge) this Autumn. I think this is fairly standard as they always have those who prefer to apply post-results. So no signs of a mad rush for next year that I can see as yet....

MarchingFrogs · 23/09/2020 21:02

With one's UCAS application, as with other forms of 'distance selling', come a 14 day cooling off period.
www.ucas.com/undergraduate/after-you-apply/making-changes-your-ucas-undergraduate-application

You can swap a choice for a different one within 14 days of the date on your welcome email. You can only swap each choice once.

Within 14days of the date on your welcome email you can swap the choice in Track. The 14 day period starts from the day you receive your email.

Jano69 · 23/09/2020 23:55

DD has submitted her personal statement so she can now focus on her EPQ and NEAs.

She's still waiting for the outcome of an Oxbridge essay writing prize, the results for which have been repeatedly delayed. In the unlikely event she gets commended, she can login and edit her personal statement accordingly.

She has chosen her Oxford college and didn't put too much thought into it. The chance of an offer is low, and to get first choice of college even lower. We drove to Oxford a few weeks ago and took a look from the outside. The college cat met her approval, and she said "this one will do".

ChimneyPot · 24/09/2020 09:47

DD has her PS done. She is waiting for her English teacher to read it but she is happy with it herself. She is chasing teachers for predicted grades and reference input. Her guidance counsellor, who has control of the process in the school is not the most proactive and told DD it was up to her to make sure her teachers did them on time.

She is a bit concerned about one of her predicted grades. She is taking 8 subjects and 3 are compulsory. Only 6 subjects are used for offers. One of the compulsory ones is Irish language which DD would never have taken if she had a choice. The teacher was going to predict a H1 which is an A* but DD thinks it is unrealistic as she is not focusing on this subject so has asked him to change it to a H2 which is an A. Her predicted grades should be well in excess of the standard Oxford offer for her course so I think it is probably the right thing to do.

DD is also applying to schools in the US. I was born there, lived there as a very young child and again in my 20s for a few years. As a result my kids are American citizens. Given all the changes and uncertainty with Covid DD decided to cast her net wide and apply to some US schools. Thankfully I drove her to Belfast 2 weeks ago to do the ACT as the remaining sittings of the US aptitude tests in Ireland have been cancelled due to Covid.

I am really hoping the Oxford aptitude tests go ahead here. The school said they would register as a centre but have now told DD they were not able to. She has registered to do the test in the only centre near us.

Baaaahhhhh · 24/09/2020 09:52

She has registered to do the test in the only centre near us

We were chatting about this last night.... it must be added stress to have to do the aptitude tests somewhere other than your school. Despite our other issues, this part of the process has been really easy, all handled by the exam co-ordinator at school.

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CoolKittens · 24/09/2020 21:48

Is anyones DC having thoughts about deferring to 2022 in view of the how the worsening covid situation is affecting this years freshers (in general, not just Oxbridge)?

ChimneyPot · 25/09/2020 14:56

Baaaahhhh DD has decided it is probably better to be going to a test centre than relying on the school guidance teacher
He was sending in an application to a summer school for her last year and forgot to attach any documentation. Luckily it was far enough in advance than DD realised and the issue could be rectified.

I would be nervous that his first time running an application test centre he might mess up.

Tenpastseven · 27/09/2020 13:11

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chopc · 28/09/2020 13:18

Could I ask - are your Oxbridge aspirants exceeding the entry requirements or just matching them. My son's predicted grades are matching the entry requirements and I am wondering if this will make him less competitive?

IrmaFayLear · 28/09/2020 13:25

I don’t know why they take any notice of predicted grades (within reason). As was seen from the CAGS debacle, teachers err on the side of generosity.

chopc · 28/09/2020 13:45

Well that's the thing @IrmaFayLear . Some schools will predict aspirationally whilst others will be evidence based in case of CAG again so my question was will it be not as competitive if he is only meeting the required grades ?

MarchingFrogs · 28/09/2020 14:48

Some schools will predict aspirationally whilst others will be evidence based in case of CAG again
And how many of the latter will have parents trying to get them to behave like the former instead, because my DC needs those grades for the universities s/he wants to apply to and have others back them up as to how unreasonable the school is being and how to deal with the problem...?

Re competitiveness, where the subject requires an aptitude test to be taken and / or examples of marked work to be submitted, at least there is evidence of ability separate to the UCAS grade predictions? Would an 2A*A predicted student making a poor showing in e.g. the TSA not be out ranked by the AAA student scoring at the top of the range? (Or would the two components merely potentially come to the came average?).

chopc · 28/09/2020 15:15

@MarchingFrogs I forgot about those (written submission and aptitude tests. Well let's hope he makes it that far then can have another chance to prove himself

quest1on · 28/09/2020 16:23

What we don’t see, of course, is what goes into the reference. I was reading somewhere on the Cambridge website that they ask teachers not just to use the word “outstanding” (as they all do this apparently). Instead they want actual evidence - eg. “top performer in a cohort of 20;” or, “scored 90% in a recent exam, which is a high A*. In other words, teachers have to provide evidence for their predictions and where they can (ie recent exams) , it seems this will give the grades more weight.

I think predicted grades possibly matter more for subjects where there is no admissions test, such as the subject DS is going for. He does however, need to submit two essays (but this is not the case for most colleges for this subject, so it does vary and I do wonder how they standardise it).

As for the Tompkins table, everyone says it’s a load of nonsense and it probably is, but still, if you look at the course requirements per subject for each college, some do require slightly higher in the IB - is not sure if this translates into higher admissions standards? I guess colleges at the top of the table probably want to stay there? But ultimately, I would think it depends on numbers of applicants per place for a given subject in a particular college, rather than the college admissions ratios overall.

Then on Unifrog, it states that some colleges have a more favourable admissions rate for independent school applicants than others - eg 60% at Homerton apparently (!), but only 20-30% in other colleges. I don’ t know how much to read into this either?

CountessDracula · 30/09/2020 10:37

We went up to Oxford a couple of weekends and had a look round, dd hadn't had a chance yet. She's now decided not to apply after all as she really didn't feel it was for her, mainly the collegiate system, it really made her realise that she was after a more modern and diverse sort of university experience.

I only post this as I know few of your dcs will have had the opportunity to visit universities in person this year, it's really made me think about how important it is to get a feel for a place and see what it's really like. The colleges were very kind and let us in to snoop round and we chatted to a few people and she thought about it for a week and then made this decision. She is visibly happier than she was before (she was never sure if it would be her cup of tea) and much more enthused about the other courses she is applying for!

We're now going to go and visit (as far as possible) her other choices as I've realised how important this is.

Will keep an eye to see how all your dcs get on, good luck to them all!

IrmaFayLear · 30/09/2020 11:01

Good she's made a decision, CountessDracula.

Dd and I had a look round in the summer, but could only squint through the keyholes. The colleges really are impregnable forts! Dd spurned a few "pompous" ones, if you can gauge pomposity from the stonemasonry...

calculatorqueen · 30/09/2020 11:09

Have just stumbled across this article for an interesting read, although it's a few years old.

www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/alan-rusbridger-lifting-lid-oxford-admissions

Tenpastseven · 30/09/2020 14:46

That is an interesting read @calculatorqueen. For some strange reason I got a bit tearful reading it. I think it’s to do with how these kids dreams are in the balance. Also because I’m menopausal. Obv.

Thanks for that info on Tompkins table @quest1on.

Another question if I may. Does the SAQ for Cambridge get automatically sent to the student after application or is there something to be proactively done?

SeasonFinale · 30/09/2020 17:29

Yes the SAQ is automatically sent and it has a strict date for it to be completed and returned.

The quote above on Cambridge website is misleading " no-one was required to defer" or noone was forced to, there have been deferrals.