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University 2020 :7: Results tombola, roll up, roll up, pick a prize!

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MillicentMartha · 12/08/2020 08:30

Well, it’s been a crazy few days.

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LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 18:25

As does Divoc

Shimy · 15/08/2020 18:27

Update on appeals process:

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LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 18:28

Although contrary to what Divoc says, its highly unusual for Art and Graphic Design A level students to pick up "almost full marks" for the NEA part.

Divoc2020 · 15/08/2020 18:32

@LimitIsUp

Although contrary to what Divoc says, its highly unusual for Art and Graphic Design A level students to pick up "almost full marks" for the NEA part.
Ah no, I said Music/drama/dance, not DT/Art & Design!
LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 18:37

Sure - just wanted to make that distinction. The NEA requirements for both Art and Graphic Design are rigorous and a fair number of dd's peers got C's and D's

PavlovianPooch · 15/08/2020 18:39

What about EPQs? My daughter obtained an A in an EPQ which was science based, as where the two of her A levels which were downgraded. It really does seem to me that neither this nor her GCSE results were taken into account at all.

LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 18:42

How were her mocks though PavlovianPooch - can't she claim those grades?

ohwellthatwasfun · 15/08/2020 18:51

@PavlovianPooch exactly. DD has an A at EPQ (science subject), A at AS level, all 8s & 9s at GCSE (her A level subjects were 9s). Her CAGs were realistic & fair and she ends up downgraded in all three.

LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 18:57

Does your dd not have grounds for appeal with valid mock results oh well? I assume with that kind of academic record she did well in her mocks?

Witchend · 15/08/2020 19:10

As far as GCSE goes they should have gone for pass / fail model or fail/pass/merit/ distinction as it was never going to be accurate with 9 grades

Now that is one of the better ideas I've seen. Fail/pass/merit/distinction/distinction* would have been a really good idea.
Obviously they couldn't do that for A-levels, but for GCSEs I think that would have been much better.

ohwellthatwasfun · 15/08/2020 19:13

it depends what they consider a valid mock. We doubt that papers done before Christmas, in class(es) & peer marked will carry much weight.

LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 19:15

Ah, that is tricky

ClarasZoo · 15/08/2020 19:37

Some days ago I posted about how the stupid government stance would lead to a quadruple lock- choose from the higher of these - algorithm , CAG, mock or resit. I have just tried to make sense of Ofqual guidance but isn’t it effectively this , except if your mock was higher than CAG you go back to CAG?

ClarasZoo · 15/08/2020 19:39

So the government is effectively saying its CAG without the embarrassing u turn??? Someone who has not had two glasses of wine help me!!!

Letseatgrandma · 15/08/2020 19:39

@ClarasZoo

Some days ago I posted about how the stupid government stance would lead to a quadruple lock- choose from the higher of these - algorithm , CAG, mock or resit. I have just tried to make sense of Ofqual guidance but isn’t it effectively this , except if your mock was higher than CAG you go back to CAG?
So its not the highest of those things, but whichever is the lowest of the CAG and the mock?
Gymntonic · 15/08/2020 19:39

@PavlovianPooch @ohwellthatwasfun rushing and not reading thoroughly but I think there is some suggestion in some quarters that NEAs might include CAGs. They're not "just predicted grades" but were a professional assessment based on multiple data points. Essentially, the very definition of non examined assessment. Bureaucratic way of government saving face and not awarding CAGs but for some who have the resources for the fight, it might amount to the same thing.
Hopefully the pressure will continue to build and we'll see a U-turn by Monday morning so that no child is left behind in this appeal process.

Witchend · 15/08/2020 19:45

It's not quite the CAG though.
If your mock grade was above your actual grade, then you can appeal, yes.
However if the cag is below the mock grade then the maximum you can get is your cag.

LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 19:45

My (conservative) MP has advised me that she has been lobbying the Minister for Education (and she gives the impression that so have many of her colleagues) to the effect that the CAG should be king, and if this means higher grades all round then so be it. Its been an exceptional year with exceptional circumstances and better to err on the side of over generosity than penalise the 2020 A level cohort (who have had the shitty end of the stick)

LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 19:46

"However if the cag is below the mock grade then the maximum you can get is your cag" - I saw that. Its a strange one!

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 15/08/2020 19:48

@LimitIsUp

My (conservative) MP has advised me that she has been lobbying the Minister for Education (and she gives the impression that so have many of her colleagues) to the effect that the CAG should be king, and if this means higher grades all round then so be it. Its been an exceptional year with exceptional circumstances and better to err on the side of over generosity than penalise the 2020 A level cohort (who have had the shitty end of the stick)
I would agree with this

Wonder if they have a plan B for next year

Gymntonic · 15/08/2020 19:49

Wonder if they gave a plan b for this ThursdaySad

PavlovianPooch · 15/08/2020 20:09

Sorry - have been away from the keyboard.

Unfortunately, LimitIsUp, the mock is no use to my daughter. She and her year bombed it (even though the teacher had told me it was the best class she had ever had) as it was pitched very high and marked harshly. That's the way all my mocks were handled back in the dark ages! She obtained precisely what she obtained at the mock in the two downgraded A levels even though she operated above that level both before and after the mock. In the most recent exam, she obtained an A in the subject matter she was given a C in.

How on earth can mocks be used when each school will have a different approach?

As it stands at the moment, we have no grounds to appeal on an individual level, although the school might appeal as their predicted marks were really savaged in the sciences. The powers that be need to either look closely at an individual's ability and make a decision based on that, rather than the past performances of the school, or they need to simply accept CAGs.

Just to add, my DD says that there has been radio silence from many of her friends and peers about what they achieved and many of those she does know about have had very disappointing results. These include youngsters from different schools and include a very clever young woman who was heading to med school - but not any more.

I cannot express to you how much anger I feel at the moment, when anger is a rare emotion for me.

ClarasZoo · 15/08/2020 20:15

Right- two lawyers in this house although we have both had wine! The most you can get is CAG even if Mock is higher. If your school has done valid mocks then you can’t get higher than algorithm grade or mock grade, even if the CAG is higher. And in most cases you would expect the CAG to be higher than the mock. If your school has not done valid mocks your teachers can use the non examined evidence they used to produce the CAGs (which presumably results in the CAG being awarded) So it will be madness for any school to say they did valid mocks won’t it? They will all just use the evidence they used to produce the CAGs and kids will all get the higher of the CAG or algorithm (or resit).... Arbitrary and ridiculous...

LimitIsUp · 15/08/2020 20:15

That's a very difficult set of circumstances. I agree - CAG should be upheld. I hope that this is the eventual outcome

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 15/08/2020 20:17

@Gymntonic

Wonder if they gave a plan b for this ThursdaySad
Fair point

I dont reckon so...I’m still hoping for a u turn

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