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Economics & Politics - which Uni?

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Tatapie · 02/08/2020 08:49

2021 entry. Predicted As so thought of obvious to look at: Bristol / Bath / Warwick/ York / Durham / Exeter. Are there any other non London Unis with a better reputation for this joint honours course? Or How do I find out? Thanks

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My0My · 02/08/2020 09:22

Look at various league tables for both subjects. They don’t do them for joint honours. Look at employability stats and don’t purely choose on reputation. Warwick is very different from Bristol for example. Look at course and split between subjects. What about year abroad opportunities? Sheffield is highly ranked for Politics but much lower for Economics. Another interesting way to look at this is to look at the league tables and see what universities don’t have Politics or Economics in clearing. If courses are full, they are popular! Few are not in clearing this year.

Decorhate · 02/08/2020 11:05

Leeds? Probably not as high up the league tables for politics but solid for economics

Needmoresleep · 02/08/2020 11:53

I am not sure that league tables tell you as much as MN believes.

Course content for economics can vary a lot. Warwick is seriously tough to get into and has a very mathematical course, Durham also has a strong reputation, Bristol will claim to have quite a mathematical course though it is all relative, Exeter is sound. York isn't that strong.

However that does not tell you anything about the politics. Nor does it tell you which economics modules you have to take. Nor do we know anything about what it is that attracts your DS to a joint degree, and what he wants to do with it.

My guess though is that you are talking about Warwick/Durham, then Bristol/Exeter, then York.

Fifthtimelucky · 02/08/2020 12:17

PPE at Oxford? I gather that after the first year most people drop one of the three elements.

Entry requirements are AAA but it's one of Oxford's most competitive courses and only 33% of applicants are interviewed.

My0My · 02/08/2020 13:14

And even fewer get a place! AAA wouldn’t necessarily get an interview there.

Tatapie · 02/08/2020 17:07

Thanks for your replies. It's Economics with politics so not necessarily equal so joint honours maybe misleading sorry. He isn't doing further maths just maths so pure economics out at a lot of places and he is very interested in politics, learning from a level history as well as current affairs. He doesn't want oxbridge.

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lockd0wn101 · 02/08/2020 23:17

Bath is good for both subjects and gives you a placement year option and/or study abroad if that is attractive?

My0My · 02/08/2020 23:23

You have to look at individual courses. My DD did joint honours and it was equal. If Politics isn’t equal I think there might be less choice. Are the universities you mention awarding an Economics degree but with a few politics options?

My0My · 02/08/2020 23:26

Sorry: so you are really back to looking at core subject matter and options. Exact options listed don’t always run. You would need to look at the split between the options and how much the politics options count towards the final award. Why not do joint out of interest?

Needmoresleep · 02/08/2020 23:35

MyOMy what subject is your DD doing a joint honours in?

Social science courses can overlap quite a bit. And many will allow, say, two external modules, say out of eight.

As OP says, a number of economics courses, Warwick being one, will have high maths requirements, and a lot of compulsory maths in first and second year. A joint honours or Economics with... may avoid some of this.

Because of the overlap within social sciences it really is worth looking at course content DS could have gained an economics degree by only taking 2 economics courses out of 12. As it was I think he took three. He took more maths courses than his friend reading engineering. And did not write a single essay during his Masters. An extreme example of how you can flex an economics degree. The data would suggest that his course ranked highly. (Average graduate starting salary of £45,000.) But hell on earth for those not happy to consume numbers.

MarchingFrogs · 03/08/2020 08:20

Birmingham? e.g. this course:
www.birmingham.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/econ/economics-and-political-science-bsc.aspx

ClerkMaxwell · 03/08/2020 08:34

How about one of the Scottish unis. Four year MA. You can delay final decision on whether single honours or joint or with until end of year 2. You need to be super good for StA but Glasgow and Edinburgh would be sure bets for all A predictions. Further maths not required.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 03/08/2020 12:09

For Economics you need to look at the course content in detail, go on to the course details and check out the available modules. I would be wary of Warwick and look carefully at the compulsory Economics modules because they may be maths heavy and I would expect many students to have sat FM at A level so it could be very challenging. Similarly Econometrics is compulsory at Exeter and I think possibly Bath, you need to check online, but it isn't at most unis.The softer economics modules tend to be the optional ones which can bump up the overall grade and these are often not available to joint honours students.

Even in themselves Economics courses can be very different, York runs a very traditional/old fashioned course whereas Leeds is a very modern modular course. I know nothing of Politics.

I don't know if Manchester offers Eco with politics but again it is a very modern modular Eco course.

NotDonna · 03/08/2020 22:49

York runs a very traditional/old fashioned course whereas Leeds is a very modern modular course. I know nothing of Politics.
Is traditional deemed better to potential employers than modern modular or vice versa please?

Tatapie · 03/08/2020 22:54

Thanks I have done some research today, made a list of 12 courses for DS to look at the course content for. They are all Econ and Politics, some are BA and some BSC. Lancaster, lLeeds and Loughborough rank well in both subjects which I hadn't thought of.
If you don't do Scotland, London or Oxbridge then there aren't that many outside the obvious ones already mentioned. The Birmingham course has a higher grade entry than Loughborough but lower rankings for the subjects, presumably because it's a more attractive place to go?
Also do the entry requirements definitely mean a minimum acceptable or do unis change them on offer?

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Tatapie · 03/08/2020 22:56

He's doing Econ at A level so even though he isn't doing Further Maths I think he'll be ok with the Econometrics etc. Also ok writing as doing History. Hopefully!

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Decorhate · 04/08/2020 06:44

@Tatapie Regarding grades, I know a boy this year who got offered places where the standard offer was higher than his predicted grades. I think the offer was still the standard offer. Obviously not definite that he will get in if he doesn’t meet those grades on results day but it is very common for unis to accept lower achieved grades.

Needmoresleep · 04/08/2020 07:27

Tatapie, some Universities will tell you how many applicants per place. You get an idea of how competitive the course might be, though need to consider which will be top choice. Top Universities (for economics this will include LSE, UCL, Warwick, Durham and St Andrews) will be rejecting students with entry qualifications. An oft told story, but DS was predicted 4A* including FM but still received three rejections including Warwick. LSE, which he did get, had 13 applicants per place.

Which rankings are you looking at? If the Complete University Guide, then its worth looking at component parts. Average entry grade will give a sense of how competitive entry is. (Allow for the fact that many private and grammar schools allow student to sit four, and in DS' case, five A levels, even though the extra don't really help for University admissions.) Research quality relevant to some, especially those hoping to go on to post-grad.

Student satisfaction, well..... I have a theory that Bournemouth U bounces up and down the tables depending on how much beach weather there was. London Universities tend to do badly though some students prefer to be in the city. LSE students apparently took some pride in always being at the bottom of the satisfaction rankings and answered questionnaires accordingly. That said, it probably tells you something. The heavy weighting given to student satisfaction makes the Guardian rankings quite odd.

Then econometrics. It can be as hard as a University wants to make it. The main problem is that many students find it dry. I think there is a general problem with maths at University, in that as well as the ability you need the sort of character that is prepared to spend hours looking at problems and practising until the concept is embedded. Not for everyone.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 04/08/2020 08:42

@NotDonna - employers don't care, for Econ Leeds is thought to be a very good uni. A more traditional course can become very dull for the students particularly those who read around a bit for uni applications and are expecting to study nudge theory etc.

Needmoresleep · 04/08/2020 09:33

NotDonna

It depends on which employer.

Economics is a good degree for generalists in a variety of occupations. Then other things, like the quality of internships, or any postgrad professional qualifications, as well as personal attributes, are as important as which University or which course. (Bath is a good example of a University that offers a year in industry and whose graduates are seen as particularly employable.)

However if you want a job as a pure economist, the course can really matter. Before applying I organised for DS to talk to a recent graduate who had started working as an analyst at a hedge fund. His ranking was LSE, UCL, Cambridge then Warwick. Nowhere else. He admitted that his boss was Warwick so would pick the same courses but put them in a different order. Quantitative economist jobs are looking for people who are very comfortable with numbers and data. They also usually prefer people with Masters, so people will often transfer to, say, LSE, UCL or perhaps Cambridge for their year long Masters. (Cambridge offer two year long Masters programmes, one is better regarded than the other.) It is also quite common for people to have maths or engineering degrees then switch to economics/econometrics at Masters level. So not just University but the modules you select within that course.

This is where the larger courses can come into their own. University level financial maths is different from school maths. DS plodded along middle sets in maths, albeit in a selective school but came into his own at University in a way that he did not expect. Others floundered. The LSE course, bar the basic core courses which are very maths orientated, is amazingly flexible. So as cake suggests upthread, if you don't enjoy the quantitative courses, there is scope to concentrate on essay based courses in your final year in order to bump up your degree class. The same will apply elsewhere, hence the advice to look at the detail.

NotDonna · 04/08/2020 22:31

Thank you
I’ve just looked at clearing out of curiosity and UCL seem to have Economics reduced from A*AA to AAB. Can’t see any other reduced economics courses. Didn’t look at politics. And no idea if this is an anomaly due to covid and perhaps a lack of overseas students. Or I’ve totally misread it?!!

Needmoresleep · 04/08/2020 23:01

It sounds odd. I just looked at the UCAS site and UCL economics does not seem to be in clearing.

Link?

Decorhate · 05/08/2020 09:08

I’m surprised to see the Warwick MORSE course in clearing

MarchingFrogs · 05/08/2020 09:51

I’m surprised to see the Warwick MORSE course in clearing

Looking at the list, along with practically everything else, though?

Including the course they kept DD waiting on for months last year. She only held on to see whether she would get an offer, having decided long since not to make it either her firm or her insurance choice.

MaggieFS · 05/08/2020 10:02

I would absolutely second, and third, what pp have said about looking into the detail of the Economics content. I was accepted to study it as part of joint honours with only GCSE maths (A) and A level Economics and really struggled. Even peers with A level maths found it tough, and this was 'only' the foundational module for joint honours, not even Economics 'with'.

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