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How likely is it that DS will have to repeat second year?

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AngieBolen · 24/07/2020 16:25

DS did badly in his exams in January- he had some sort of flu/coughing bug and couldn't find the exam room initially, although did eventually find it and took the exam feeling stressed and rubbish and did very badly. He may as well not have turned up.

He had to take an open exam during lockdown and failed by 5%. He doesn't think they'll let him move on to his final year and he'll have to retake his second year. He's sorted out accommodation for next term and seems happy to go along with repeating the year if that's the university's decision.

How likely is it he'll have to repeat the year? I didn't go to uni and neither did DH, so we don't know how it works. It seems an expensive option, but I don't want him to drop out.

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thethoughtfox · 24/07/2020 16:52

Check if they have resits for the exams.

SeasonFinale · 24/07/2020 17:14

Usually there are resits prior to the start of the next year. Some will only let you resit a certain number of exams though so if he has already used those up maybe he can't.

ShyOwl · 24/07/2020 17:24

Have a look on the universities academic calendar, it will show the resit period.

For our university it's next week, all students who have to retake have been told so and those that aren't able to progress have also been told so they have time to appeal

Has he spoken to any of the student services about what the process is?

LIZS · 24/07/2020 17:33

Are you sure he is being honest with you. I would have thought he would have been emailled regarding his options to resit or retake the year by now and need to register to do so. What weight is given to second year results overall? Being honest if he struggled to pass open book exams is he really likely to do better next year even if he passes a resit or is he at risk of failing his degree?

AngieBolen · 24/07/2020 17:48

Yes, he will have been honest with me in that he won't say something is OK if it isn't. He will say things are worse than they are. I doubt he's spoken to anyone at the uni about it. He seems to think he might just have repeat the year, which he seems fine with. I've asked if things will be on-line or whether he actually has to go in to uni and he's said "a bit of both".

I've no idea if he is at risk of failing his degree. I'd like to think he's able enough not to, and he seems to put the work in (he doesn't go out partying or get distracted any other way- he's definitely at uni to get a degree) .

We've had to work on him not giving up at things which he finds hard - academically he found things very easy at school and he's also not bad at sports, so when he did encounter something he couldn't do we put a lot of work into making sure he knows that's OK and to get up and try again. I don't want him to be flogging a dead horse, though.

He seems to think going back to uni is his best option, but he doesn't talk a lot. And I'm inclined to agree at the moment. I'll try and ask him about resits as he hasn't done any before. His course work has always been good so they weren't too concerned about the exam in January.

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My0My · 24/07/2020 18:37

I think where DD went, resits were limited to 40% so just a pass. To make the higher classification, his other marks and third year must be much higher to compensate.

Why don’t you look up what his university rules are regarding resits so you can have an informed conversation with him instead of relying on him.

AngieBolen · 24/07/2020 19:03

I'll look online, thank you. I've already had a quick Google and there's quite a lot there.

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DoctorDoctor · 24/07/2020 19:11

Ask him to show you his results so you see the actual numbers. They will have been emailed to him or put on the website for him to login and access by now. Below 40 is a fail generally but remember this is as your mark for the whole module, so you can sometimes pass with one poor exam or piece of work if others are better and bring your average up.

It is pretty standard that he should get a chance to resit anything he has failed over the summer, probably quite soon. Again, this will have been communicated to him. Sit down with him and get him to show you the emails and marks. I know you've said he will be honest with you, but it doesn't sound like he's taken it in properly - it's fairly common that students just don't want to look at their poor results and confirm their fears. But it needs to be done.

AngieBolen · 24/07/2020 19:16

OK- I'll try to do that. He's hardly speaking to me because he's so angry he's had to spend lockdown with us, but that's another issue.

So if his mark is below 40 it would be best if he just doesn't go back? Or do I need to be looking at an average of 40? (If I asked him what his average mark is I think he'd tell me) Sorry to be so clueless.

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AlwaysColdHands · 24/07/2020 19:23

He should have access to a transcript/ list of results for the year that itemises his overall grade for each module.
There should then be an overall recommendation which might be fail, retake failed modules or sometimes to progress to the next year but repeat a module.
It all depends on the course.

You need to see these results and he needs to be reading emails from the university carefully as they will be contacting students to let them know what re-sits.
He should also have a course leader/ personal tutor advisor type person who he can contact to ask for help explaining what he needs to do.

lurker2003 · 24/07/2020 19:36

Uni’s currently have a no detriment policy in place, and he should be able to use a compensated pass for that module too.

LIZS · 24/07/2020 19:38

Criteria will vary, some require passes across the board, others average, others passes in core modules. You need to look at how the course is marked overall. For example ds only needed to pass forst first year, second year was 1/3 of final result, third year 2/3 . So in theory it was quite possible to do less well in second year but pull the final grade by doing much better in third. There are online calculators to estimate what is needed in third year to achieve different grades based on weightings. Capped marks for resits are common. He may also need to pass a particular module to be considered for follow on ones.

MarchingFrogs · 24/07/2020 19:47

The specific things you / he need to be looking at is his university's Regulations, for his cohort (presumably 2018 entry?) and most specifically the section relating to assessment and progression, plus his Department's rules re the module concerned, e.g. can a failure be remedied by resitting, or does the whole module have to be repeated?

Was the open book exam just one of his second year exams, which he would have taken in the normal way if lockdown hadn't happened, or was it the resit of the exam he failed earlier (did he actually fail, or just not do as well as he should have done?).

AngieBolen · 24/07/2020 20:03

The open book exam was an exam he would have done anyway. It was only an open book exam because of lockdown.

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iswhois · 24/07/2020 20:48

Uni’s currently have a no detriment policy in place, and he should be able to use a compensated pass for that module too.

This only comes into play if they perform notably lower than usual- if his grades aren't brilliant to begin with they will consider him to not have been disadvantaged by Covid.

Also his excuses for doing bad in the exam are pretty rubbish- if he was invested in the course this shouldn't have made a difference or happened. Is he happy being there, does he want to finish the degree?

AngieBolen · 24/07/2020 21:36

Also his excuses for doing bad in the exam are pretty rubbish- if he was invested in the course this shouldn't have made a difference or happened

Can you explain what you mean? He was feeling really unwell in January when he took the exam. From what he told me I don't think he should have taken it. There isn't any excuse as to why he did badly in the open exam.

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AngieBolen · 24/07/2020 21:46

Yes, he's very happy at uni and he definitely wants to finish the degree. He's looking forward to going back after the summer and has organised accommodation.

My DC do love to stress me out, so I'm hoping me might have been making out things are worse than they are. He was very relaxed and not at all concerned when he was saying he might have to repeat the year. I'm the one who is worrying.

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My0My · 24/07/2020 21:59

You need to know what the exact position is though. Repeating a year adds to his loan repayments. What does this do to his final pass mark?

DoctorDoctor · 24/07/2020 22:05

So if his mark is below 40 it would be best if he just doesn't go back?

No, not saying that at all! If he gets below the pass mark (usually 40) for a module he will have to resit it before he can progress to his final year. But that's definitely worth doing! The best outcome at this point is if he can do anything he's failed as a resit over the summer and pass it this time. Then he could potentially avoid having to repeat the year. If you want to PM me I'm happy to talk it through in more detail.

iswhois · 24/07/2020 22:18

He was feeling really unwell in January when he took the exam. From what he told me I don't think he should have taken it. There isn't any excuse as to why he did badly in the open exam.

people are unwell for exams all the time. If you're confident in the subject matter and well enough to be there in person it shouldn't render you doing so bad as to get less than 40%- did he apply for extenuating circumstances?

The room issue is his own fault- he should have found it a few days before the exam if it was unfamiliar.

Plus him doing bad in another exam suggests the subject may not be for him. He may not need to repeat but with grades this bad it will be difficult to obtain a decent mark on the degree. Sorry to be blunt but it's better to be realistic.

Mychitchatdays · 24/07/2020 22:32

There is no reason he should be failing an open exam. He obviously is not putting in the work required and has a lack of understanding of his degree. Not sure it would be worth the expense of resitting the year.

DoctorDoctor · 24/07/2020 22:39

But you'd be fine with having incurred two years' worth of debt to walk away with no qualification to show for it? And it's far from certain yet he would need to repeat. The OP really needs the full picture and her son needs to have a decent go at resits. If he starts talking about how he won't bother and will just repeat, I would, however, be asking him how he plans to contribute to funding it all.

My0My · 24/07/2020 22:56

Well his grad tax, if he ever pays it will be based on a higher sum but he may never pay it off. Parental contribution is another matter however.!

WatermelonSugarHigh · 25/07/2020 15:33

So much depends on which university your DS is attending and what their regulations are generally. Also what their regulations are for this year in particular. I work as a teaching co-ordinator at a university and this summer there have been a lot of changes specifically because of COVID-19. He should have access to a lot of information about his academic position - probably in his university Inbox. If he needs to engage in any additional work to complete the year, he should have had that clearly laid out to him. At my institution we're starting exams again next week (although in a normal year, it would be the last week in August).

Repeating the year is not necessarily an option. At my institution you would have to have very strong grounds for this e.g. serious ill health and would need to put in a formal application with written evidence. A repeat year can give an unfair academic advantage unless the student had had such a bad year (poor attendance, not submitting work) that NOT allowing them another chance at the year would be unfair.

Resits for any failed modules should always be an option, and indeed a requirement. It's crucial that your DS finds out what these involve, when they take place, etc if he hasn't already. Depending on the circumstances these may be capped (can't achieve anything above the basic pass mark) or uncapped. If he's had information about resits and doesn't engage with them, he could risk being kicked out.

Be cautious with the 'no detriment' thing. It is not a universal policy across all institutions this year. My institution does NOT have this policy - instead we cancelled all May/June exams for all but a handful of students. Anyone unhappy with this could opt into open-book online 'exams' in July/August. But having opted in, their results will count regardless of whether they are higher or lower than their existing grades.

If your DS is unclear about anything, he should make immediate contact with his departmental teaching co-ordinator / academic tutor etc for advice. If he sticks his head in the sand and misses any compulsory assessment this summer, he will be in a VERY precarious position. Not having read your emails properly, or having ignored them, is not an excuse. (Students who do this are the absolute bane of my life - I spend huge amounts of time and energy going above and beyond to support my students, and am very happy to do so, but the ones who just stick their head in the sand and ignore their problems drive me insane. The longer they leave it to say/do something, the less I'm able to do to help them.)

Re the January exam, I would expect him to have been able to submit a case for exceptional/mitigating/extenuating circumstances. If accepted (medical evidence would be needed), he would have probably been granted another 'first sit' (not resit) of the exam. Or even possibly had it excused, meaning the grade would not count towards his overall score. But this process will have been done and dusted at least a few weeks ago, so if he didn't engage with it then it will be too late now.

In my experience - having done this job for 14 years and counting - it is very rare that a student simply isn't academically talented enough to achieve at least 2:2 level (C, or 50%) grades. If they are struggling to pass, it is something other than academic ability causing that. Often, but not always, mental health issues. Could that be a possibility for your son? Anxiety and depression rob students of the exact strengths they need to succeed at university: self-discipline, self-confidence, ability to concentrate. Even one bad week then leaves them feeling unable to catch up, and everything spirals. The sooner a problem is disclosed, treated and supported, the better the outcome.

CatandtheFiddle · 25/07/2020 16:15

@WatermelonSugarHigh gives excellent advice.

You - preferably yor DS but he can't be arsed from the sound of it - can look up the regulations for his cohort ie the year he started the degree course, and see exactly what the situation is.

It is unlikely that a student will just fail -

  • he may be offered a referral ie he's failed but is offered a resit (in the summer resit period) and his mark for that capped at 40%

  • or if he's lucky (if he can swing mitigation for the January exam when he was unwell - although that he's HIGHLY unlikely to succeed) he'll be offered a deferral a resit as if for a 'first sit' ie for the full range of marks.

But your know, undergrads like this drive us university staff (academics and administrators) crazy. We spend a lot of time chasing up students, talking them through their options, trying to help them to get to a place where they can thrive & succeed. And it sounds as though your DS isn't even bothered to read his university emails.

Because there will have been emails explaining his options.

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