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School Direct (1 year) vs PGCE (2 years)

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McFamily · 13/06/2020 07:08

Hello all!

I am a Mum thinking of doing teaching training from September 2021. I am currently on maternity leave and would have 2 children not at school (although in childcare) while doing this. I'm wondering if anyone could offer advice on which route to take. I feel that the School Direct route would be very intense from what I have read and researched, but have parents found they've actually coped well given that we're used to multi-tasking?! I want to work part-time once I've obtained QTS, but I'm just wondering whether it's better to get it out of the way within the year and just go for it? Plus the bursary seems generous for that year for my subjects (MFL). I graduated 10 years ago now so I've been out of education a while. Any positive stories of people who have done it would be really appreciated 😊

Thank you so much for your help.

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eggofmantumbi · 13/06/2020 08:24

Have you been working in schools at all? If not I'd suggest PGCE. in my experience schools direct has worked best where people have experience of school life etc (teaching assistant, cover supervisor) first.

McFamily · 13/06/2020 09:35

I did a Students Associate Scheme a few years ago, I work in higher education and have taught MFL to adults at an FE college. I've also done a fair amount of tutoring over the years to secondary school students, I'm hopeful this may all help? I guess it's the hours that worry me still but I appreciate it would only be for the year since I'd like something part time afterwards if possible Smile Plus I've been out of the education for a long time!

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SallyLovesCheese · 13/06/2020 09:41

I did a part-time PGCE, lots of people on my course had children. It allowed time to breathe a little more and my first two placements were done part-time as well, although the last block had to be a full-time block. Assignments weren't due in alongside teaching placement portfolios as everything was a bit more space out.

I've had SD students in my class and it's full-on - basically a teacher's workload, although slightly reduced for training days and study time, but still lots of planning, assessing, marking etc. to do full-time whilst studying alongside for a year... I had one SD student with primary-aged kids who found it tough, one with teenagers who voted okay and many others who don't have any children yet. I've never met an SD student with preschoolers.

I'd do a PGCE if I were you!

SallyLovesCheese · 13/06/2020 09:41

*coped not voted!

McFamily · 13/06/2020 09:48

Thank you for the information @SallyLovesCheese! I guess the thing with the part-time too is the fees are increased too which is another factor, but I don't want to take on too much! With the SD route, do you have the school holidays to catch up, or are you usually studying during that time?

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eggofmantumbi · 13/06/2020 11:24

Your experience would definitely benefit you doing the SD route,.
As PP said though, it is much more full on. You're teaching basically all year round which is rougher than PGCE where there are blocks of time studying when you can catch up a bit.
I suppose it also depends what support you have as well (parents/partner etc) and how much they could support with housework/ running the house?

(I'm an MFL teacher by the way, love it!)

McFamily · 13/06/2020 11:32

Oh brilliant, I'm glad that you love it so much! I think if I did it full-time for that year I would see if we could get a cleaner for my sanity since I'm a clean freak! The bursary seems like it would help a lot. Are the hours for SD like a full-time job i.e. 40 ish? If I could do this locally, then I'd cut out the 2+ hours of travelling to work a day which I currently do. Sorry for all the questions 🙈

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McFamily · 13/06/2020 11:33

Alternatively would a full-time PGCE be a bit kinder than full-time School Direct?

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SallyLovesCheese · 13/06/2020 15:07

@McFamily

Oh brilliant, I'm glad that you love it so much! I think if I did it full-time for that year I would see if we could get a cleaner for my sanity since I'm a clean freak! The bursary seems like it would help a lot. Are the hours for SD like a full-time job i.e. 40 ish? If I could do this locally, then I'd cut out the 2+ hours of travelling to work a day which I currently do. Sorry for all the questions 🙈
The hours for the SD are essentially the hours of a teacher, pretty much, with studying on top. So 8 hours a day in school would be the minimum, so you'll need to spend time in your evenings and weekends doing marking, assessing, planning and preparing lessons.

You could cut out your 2+ hours of travelling a day, but you'll most likely end up doing more than 2+ hours of extra work each night. But in your own time, so swings and roundabouts, I suppose.

Yes, you would have time in the holidays to "catch up" if you got behind, but you will have studying to do at the same time and there is always planning and preparation to do for the term coming up.

SallyLovesCheese · 13/06/2020 15:20

@McFamily

Alternatively would a full-time PGCE be a bit kinder than full-time School Direct?
Not much - many PGCEs (all?) have Masters-level modules attached, so you still get higher level assignments to do. Not all SD have M-level, I don't think.

If you want to do it full-time, then the SD and the PGCE would be fairly similar, probably, although with a salaried SD you'd obviously be getting the £8K a year they get, or however much it is now, but the PGCE you'd be paying.

Let me tell you my experience: I did my final PGCE placement full-time for 6 weeks. I got to school for 7:30am and left usually around 5:30pm. I got the bus home, had dinner, then worked from around 7:30pm-12am. I got the impression this was usual amongst both us part-timers and the full-timers. And I have seen SD students in my class do similar hours.

I think you need to get into a school (if that's possible next academic year) or at least talk to SD and PGCE students to get an idea of what it's like (obviously students from the last academic year, as this year they haven't had the full experience).

My apologies if I'm wrong, but you come across as though you want to train in the easiest way possible so you can qualify and go part-time, and there just isn't an easy way - teaching is hard and the training takes a lot of time and effort. I just don't know any full-time teachers (although I'm sure some experienced ones exist) who work 40 hours a week - even part-time (I'm part-time now) you end up working on your days off or at weekends to keep on top of everything. It's not get in at 8am and leave at 4pm and you've done your full day, especially if you're a job share.

Have you looked at tes.com? There are forums over there where other students will have posted from the last few years, so you can have a read or start a thread of your own. There's lots of great advice and you can hear directly from people who have done different routes in, often with small children, who can give you the benefit of their experiences.

eggofmantumbi · 13/06/2020 15:48

I've been teaching 15 years, and sky-high on maternity leave, I was full time before.
I've always been a pretty efficient worker/planner/ marker. I have up HOD a year ago so I'd got used to doing classroom teacher stuff quickly. I worked every day 8-5, working through lunch and usually break and just about got everything done, so that's basically a 40-45 hour week but with tonnes of experience and resources to draw from.
I'd imagine you'd be doing that plus a couple of hours per night and at least half a day at the weekend?
I'm going part time after mat leave because those days were exhausting with a toddler!

eggofmantumbi · 13/06/2020 17:07

Currently, not sky high!!!

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