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University life for our soon to be Year 2 undergrads (2019 intake): social bubbles (bursting?), the new normal and hopefully no second wave

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NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 04/06/2020 11:39

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Gettingthroughtheweek · 14/08/2020 10:26

Hi everyone.

Glad to be nearly back to (new normal) a quick question - anyone know if social distancing means we can go into shared houses to take stuff to DC! DS has gone back already - Scottish Uni - and we’re visiting him next week (staying elsewhere). Just suddenly wondered whether he’s now a separate bubble so can we go into his flat? Or just meet him outside? Is there really a (risk) difference? Very confused ....

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 14/08/2020 10:44

@Decorhate the headlines today suggest that grades are up (highest rise in private schools - there's a surprise) on last year's, so some young people have clearly benefitted (but possibly not the right candidates). Who knows? Remember last year the exam boards intimated that many A-Level results could have reasonably been a grade higher or lower than those given?

I think that parents can also forget that learning and educational outcomes are not always on an upward and linear trajectory.

Waves at @icanbewhatiwant - hello!

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Benjispruce · 14/08/2020 11:39

I understand and support those appealing. All that work done and it’s not fair to not have that reflected in your grade if there’s a possibility it could go up in an appeal.

icanbewhatiwant · 14/08/2020 11:43

@Witchend I have ds2 getting gcse results next week too. I am hoping they will be ok. I don't know what mock results they can use, he did mocks last summer that he didn't do so well in. Then mocks again at Christmas that he did better in, though he still revise for them, but good enough for A levels. Then he did maths, English and science exams on the 20th March. Last day. He did very well in those as he panicked and revised 🙄

I feel for those not getting the A level grades they wanted. Ds1 didn't do well in his AS levels at all. 2 grades lower than actual A levels for 2 subjects. So goodness knows what it would have been like had it been this year instead.

Benjispruce · 14/08/2020 11:45

I am nervous for next Thursday too. Was feeling ok until yesterday as DD’s mocks were good, she revised and works hard but now I don’t trust the algorithm.

Benjispruce · 14/08/2020 11:46

She did mocks in November and March. Both were good enough but March higher.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 14/08/2020 12:01

Someone on the WIWIKAU FB thread has explained very well why some of the downgrades have happened when using the algorithm (it makes perfect sense). Although that would also suggest (given that we know grade results are generally up on previous years) that some will have been advantaged by the same system, no?

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Witchend · 14/08/2020 13:10

@icanbewhatiwant
Good luck to your dc. Similar position. If they use the November mocks, then dd is screwed, because she was ill and missed most of them. If they use the February ones, then she'll be okay, but I still think relatively lower than what she would have got.
However the school (standard comp) was mutely pleased with their A-level results and said roughly on what they expected, so I am hopeful they won't be too bad.

I do just wonder looking at the results and from what I've known over the years:
Is it that this is normally what happens? I'd like to see statistics for it.
However normally it's the "wonderful twins getting 6A*s each" hitting the headlines. Those who have bombed tend to go away quietly and lick their wounds.
This year the news story is in "these terrible downgrades" and people who got good results are keeping mum for fear of being labelled smug, and people who got poor results are joining in to declare how unfair it is.
Hence it appearing that there are terrible injustices when actually it's normal, we just don't hear about them and it feels more unjust because it's someone's decision rather than a bad exam (and also that can give you warning)
It can't be too bad all round as pass rates (and top grades) have on average gone up.

A number of years ago a friend's daughter sat her A/S exams predicted 4As, bright girl, got A*s in all the subjects at GCSE, seemed to be coping easily with the work. No worries that she wouldn't get them. She got CDEE, the rest of the classes got similar. The school put an appeal in, and none went up enough to go up a grade. There was no obvious mistake made, like teaching the wrong syllabus.
So this sort of thing did happen before.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 14/08/2020 13:25

I think you're right @Witchend. The twins comment made me laugh though because our local newspapers have been doing the same thing this year (I've counted at least four sets of twins off to Oxbridge/Imperial) BUT with markedly fewer schools 'singing' about their stellar results generally (possibly 1/3 of usual numbers). The silence of some of the 'usual suspect' schools is telling.

It is logical that if results are generally up on previous years there must be lots of 'fair results'. Or are we saying then that for the many unfair downgrades there have been unfair upgrades too?

I don't see how the appeals are going to work without caving to pressure to upgrade lots of pupils. The alternative would be to apply a different algorithm but then in the interests of fairness wouldn't you really need to put all the results/CAGs through the system again?

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Witchend · 14/08/2020 13:47

I'm dreading them following Scotland and saying they'll go by CAG. Because I know that dd's school were very careful to give what they believe is a fair record. They've (dh is a governor) put several years' work into doing accurate predicted grades, and working with departments that were being less accurate. They're confident that what they sent in is approximately correct-and they were proved that over the A-levels.

What people don't seem to realise is that going by CAGs will firstly mean that it devalues the qualifications. I'll put bets that employers will remember 2020 and discount them if that happens, and secondly it does discriminate against lots of students-the ones whose teachers were more honest in particular, but also the students who truly deserved it.
It then means if this happens again, then teachers will put the results up more. I'm certain the school I was at in the 6th form would have put in results claiming all (barring BJ who they didn't like) would have pretty much all got top grades and was the top year ever whichever year it was. Grin

I suspect most schools will find the mocks won't count to ofqual. They've got to have been taken under exam conditions (so if they did them class by class, it won't count for example), and they have to have the original script, not just the mark, to my understanding.
That also will probably favour the smaller independent schools who have the space and the time to organise that.

Benjispruce · 14/08/2020 14:56

DD’s mocks were taken under exam conditions in the gym etc.I complete trust the teacher assessment and wish they’d follow Scotland.

icanbewhatiwant · 14/08/2020 18:07

Do we know what mocks they will go on? Our secondary aren't going to publish A level results but one girl says she'd got into her university of choice but was expecting 3 A but had AAB instead. Sounds like good enough grades to me, but I guess if you are expecting A* it's not good enough.

All we can do is wait.

Ok...so that highlighted all by itself 🤷‍♀️

Benjispruce · 14/08/2020 21:10

No we don’t know what constitutes a verified mock yet. More to follow from Gormless Gav next week. Can’t wait.Hmm

Alicatz66 · 15/08/2020 09:59

I live near Birmingham Uni .. I'm looking forward to the students coming back !!!! Everywhere is dead !!!! ...

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 15/08/2020 12:58

At @Alicatz66 are the students starting to percolate back already? Know it's too early for first years but not others. How do you feel about their loss of John Lewis in Birmingham? Suspect that is a huge loss to the central station 'high end' shopping centre?

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nokidshere · 15/08/2020 13:13

My two are back off to their respective unis on Sept 1st. It will be as weird seeing them go as it was having them home all this time. DS1 only had 7 actual weeks at uni last year because of strikes and covid.

They are both itching to get back to their lives though and we are looking forward to being able to open the fridge and actually finding food in it Grin

Alicatz66 · 15/08/2020 14:09

@NewModelArmyMayhem18 .. gutted about John Lewis ! Lovely shop .. Grand Central is a great place to shop .. I'm now back in office 3 days a week with 2 days WFH ... Birmingham city centre is dead ... so many places closed down .. but on the plus side tables outside places free on Fridays !! ... no real sign of students yet .. my DS going to new Nottingham house for second year on 1st Sept ... Bham student territory is Selly Oak ... they will all be bimbling around in Big Sainsburys soon !!!!

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 15/08/2020 14:22

I seem to recall that John Lewis had a rather nice champagne bar too @Alicatz66. It's a bit strange not having a JL in the second city of the country. I guess many fewer people currently passing through Grand Central Station won't have helped the cause with keeping it open?

DS and flatmates already back in UEA but mainly due to an August rental start date. Having had him around 24/7 for the past five months, it's a bit strange as he's now gone radio silent on us - clearly enjoying being his own person in his own space.

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Witchend · 15/08/2020 14:25

@NewModelArmyMayhem18
Do students really use John Lewis? They have gone up in the world. Wink

I remember feeling totally thrown on finding my uni town didn't have a Woolies. Grin

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 15/08/2020 14:36

@Witchend I doubt it unless the bank of M&D is paying for things (seem to recall seeing a fair few trailing around after their mums in our local one, clearly 'student' shopping last summer). I was purposefully being a big 'light and fluffy' with my comment to lighten the mood the thread has taken since the A Level results came out on Thursday (all so depressing for the young people concerned).

Woolies was a godsend for so many things, including buying records (remember those?!). I can still remember autumn 2008, just before it was the first victim of the recession that year. I went in there to buy Halloween stuff for the DC and was puzzled as to why there was none available (despite it being less than a month away).

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Alicatz66 · 15/08/2020 14:39

@NewModelArmyMayhem18 ... absolutely.. station v quiet .. my boss gets a coffee every morning from Costa at Snow Hill station.. the man there said they are losing 2000 a day !!!!!

Witchend · 15/08/2020 14:44

@NewModelArmyMayhem18
Grin
I remember the lack of a Woollies meant one of my friends could only get a tin opener (having forgotten to bring his) from the posh shop. He paid £12 (back in the 90s) and decided that he'd look after it very carefully and it would be his mum's Christmas present. Grin
Apparently she was very pleased with it. Grin

I do miss Woollies here too, although we have a Wilkos (in the shop that used to be Woollies), it's not quite the same.

bigTillyMint · 15/08/2020 14:58

@Witchend, I lived 200yards from the JL in Sheff as a student. Used to love going in just to look at stuff Grin

We had the 15 and 20p shop back in those days Grin

Witchend · 15/08/2020 15:02

@bigTillyMint
Grin

I told mine that a pound shop would have been expensive when I was their age. They weren't impressed. Grin

Benjispruce · 15/08/2020 15:55

www.gov.uk/government/news/appeals-based-on-mock-exams?utm_source=646a0823-04e2-4636-8b71-327748790b6c
Good news for anyone that needs it.