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University life for 'freshers' (2019/20) - first year campus life suspended, sitting out/surviving the pandemic and staying on top of studying [Edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

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NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 25/03/2020 19:04

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MrKlaw · 12/05/2020 14:56

Has somethign changed then? We're VM and can't access it - but we were VM last year and it worked fine.

In a dodgy reception area so not even sure we can hotspot it. Wonder if I VPN to work it'll get around it

MrKlaw · 12/05/2020 14:57

any Bath maths students parents on here? Looks like exams start next week but they're 24 hour and quite tightly packed (although will depend on your specific timetable I guess)

MrKlaw · 12/05/2020 14:59

ok - VPN seems to help so I have that as backup if needed. without it I can't load the site. With it, the site loads but says it is busy

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 12/05/2020 16:34

A student from Zambia studying at Middlesex University has died of COVID-19. He died in a flat - hoping he wasn't alone. Story (warning it's to the Daily Fail). So sad. The irony is that he probably would have been fine if he'd stayed in Zambia.

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Piggywaspushed · 12/05/2020 16:56

Oh that's so sad OP .

simbobs · 13/05/2020 11:50

Anyone seen the article in the Times today? A whole year online??? Don't think so! Sorry can't share as don't have the link.

JacobReesMogadishu · 13/05/2020 12:40

I’d be interested in reading that Times article if anyone can do a share token.

My uni is definitely online teaching until at least Jan. and if we get a second peak I can see it being all next academic year. I’m sure other unis will do the same.

Piggywaspushed · 13/05/2020 12:42

oh, this is all such a forlorn mess for everyone :(

I am actually so glad my DS2 is year 11. He is cushioned from so much.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 13/05/2020 13:46

Is it this one?

@JacobReesMogadishu that certainly chimes with what I've been told by someone who works in a university.

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Monkey2001 · 13/05/2020 13:57

The article has been put on reddit:

Article Text: Schoolchildren, workers, the elderly and the vulnerable have all been told what to expect in the coming months, however vague the timetable. Students, however, have been ignored. For the past six weeks, despite being among the least likely to show symptoms if they are infected by Covid-19, most undergraduates have dutifully returned to isolate at their parents’ homes rather than partied with friends.
Now they are in danger of being treated shoddily and kept grounded while many around them are set free. The government’s road map for relaxing lockdown, published on Monday, doesn’t mention the fate of our 2.5 million students, so they are still in limbo. Not only are they unable to go backpacking abroad this summer, take up internships or go to festivals, they still have no idea when they can return to their lecture halls and labs or whether they will have to begin or finish their degrees online.
Some undergraduates have been warned by their tutors that they may not return for another three terms as universities consider operating virtually for the next academic year. Stephen Toope, the vice-chancellor of Cambridge, sent a letter to students last week laying out four options, two of which involve courses remaining online in 2020-21.
Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, held a conference call with vice-chancellors of the 24 Russell Group universities yesterday. Oxford, Imperial, Exeter, Leeds, Durham and Bristol are among many looking, like Cambridge, to help students continue distance learning. Many modern languages undergraduates have already been told that their year abroad studying or working will now be done virtually from their bedrooms.
But if students are taught for up to 18 months at home on their laptops, it will be a far cry from the quality of education they expect for their £9,250-a-year tuition fees. While businesses and employees have been helped out with grants, furloughing and interest-free loans, students have been given nothing to tide them over. Many still had to pay their accommodation fees for their summer term. Some have even had to put down deposits for next year’s rents.
This is not only a drain on their finances but might also affect their mental health. As Sara Weller, chairwoman of student mental health at Cambridge, explained: “Universities are about far more than learning, however good the online teaching. They are about feeling you belong to a community.”
Students planning to start their degrees this October might have to endure virtual freshers’ weeks and miss out on traditional activities that are vital to joining a community. Many of them feel too old to stay at home and there often isn’t space. Even if there is, they may feel disconnected from their old lives and find it hard to get part-time jobs.
No wonder their mental health is deteriorating faster than other age groups. University College London found that almost 30 per cent of young people have thought about death recently and those between 18 and 25 now have the lowest life satisfaction.
Part of the reason universities are nervous of inviting students back is that up to a half of their intake now come from abroad and they are worried they may lose foreign students if it appears that British ones are getting a superior campus experience. When some universities floated the idea of staggering the return of science and arts students, they realised it was too divisive.
But British students could also refuse to pay the fees if they don’t believe they are getting value for money. They may drop out; they certainly won’t want to pay rent for empty rooms or they may try to defer, complicating the admissions system for years to come.
The government should encourage universities to open their doors to British students this autumn. Only 1 per cent of those who have died from Covid-19 are aged between 15 and 44 and their risk levels are very low. Sir Steve Smith, vice-chancellor of Exeter University, hopes this can be done. “Our students, even many international ones, are making it clear they want to come back. The city as well as the university needs them so we are thinking of how to do it safely, from one-way systems to smaller lecture groups,” he said. “We can’t police their parties but at least we can contain them.”
All schools are planning to open in September, when children will commute each day and risk going back to infect their families each evening, and when teachers will have close interaction with pupils. Universities, by contrast, will find it easier to keep tutors and students apart in seminar rooms, libraries and lecture theatres.
The young are increasingly fed up. According to one poll, half of all 18 to 30-year-olds say they are already beginning to flout lockdown rules. By the end of the summer it is likely they will be socialising anyway, whether in their university town or home town, in pubs and clubs or on dating apps, but at least at university they are more likely to infect their own age group.
They already know that they are likely to graduate in a depressed jobs market and will be paying off this pandemic, as well as their student debt, for decades to come. It seems only fair to give them some freedom to enjoy themselves now, so they can continue their education away from their families and form friendships that will help get them through the next few uncertain years.

simbobs · 13/05/2020 14:13

@JacobReesMogadishu would you mind sharing which uni this is?

I am most sincerely hoping that this is a worst case scenario. DD is a 3rd yr language student and was sent home during her year abroad. That said, as the language school in which she worked is shortly to reopen she is going to try and go back there even if it is just for 6 weeks, even though the year abroad is officially cancelled. She will complete her degree next year, and has already booked accommodation which I envisage she will occupy.

DS is in his 1st year and I really can't imagine how he will function with a year online, nor where he will live. If he goes back to his uni city he may as well be attending classes there. He didn't have to complete his 3rd term online (straight into yr2) so has not got into the swing of that at all. I can't imagine him continuing, and even if he did it would not be value for money. The more I learn the less I know...

justasking111 · 13/05/2020 14:54

DS will be going back in September, what he will find when he gets there god knows. We are paying ourselves so he will not have debts. So we could say what a waste of money. But it is not his fault. So we will grin and bear it.

You know he has not flouted lockdown at all, we have been out more than him essential shopping, walking dogs. The only question he asked last night which broke my heart, was when did we think his girlfriend could come to stay, she is in England he in Wales.

MrKlaw · 13/05/2020 15:28

how much is an open university course?

I think DS will still go back in september - I can't see him doing a full year stuck at home doing virtual learning. He really needs face to face time to properly learn, no matter what he says about just reading it is fine.

And how do they apply things like 'no detriment' to an entire year? They just going to hand out full degrees at this rate to anyone currently in a course.

MrKlaw · 13/05/2020 15:32

"Part of the reason universities are nervous of inviting students back is that up to a half of their intake now come from abroad and they are worried they may lose foreign students if it appears that British ones are getting a superior campus experience."

I hope they aren't seriously considering not opening up just to avoid upsetting foriegn students? Surely you can handle both groups individually based on available information and guidance at the time. Seems harsh to penalise domestic students if foreign travel is limited.

justasking111 · 13/05/2020 15:53

MrKlaw - now I am confused are some universities not going to be open this September?

MrKlaw · 13/05/2020 16:28

@justasking according to that times article at least the Russell Group have been discussing options about remaining 'virtual' for next year's teaching.

Monkey2001 · 13/05/2020 16:49

Manchester are doing their lectures on line for the first term, but other interactions may be face-to-face.

ZaZathecat · 13/05/2020 17:02

At last I can crow about my dc not being in Russell Group unis Grin

DominaShantotto · 13/05/2020 17:13

We've had no word from our uni at all about anything that's going on in the autumn. With exams - one of ours went online (it was a multiple choice one anyway so fairly easy to adapt) with the guidance that we could consult our own notes to answer but stay the fuck off Google. The others they adapted the form of assessment - turned things into essays but without the strict referencing requirements. I've had to defer one till August as I had to combine supporting my own kids and my mental health was not in a space to take it.

With how the schools situation seems to be panning out I've also had to start a dialogue with my tutor about next year - if the university are prepared to relax attendance requirements for me to study via online recorded lectures until schools are back with kids full time, or delay my placement part of the course and do that at a later point on my own, split the year and do it in two part time or suspend my study for a year and return after the apocalypse. I've been told the department would be fine to support me suspending for a year and returning later at least (but my academic record is very very strong for the group I'm in so in that regard I'm a good bet to come back and finish the course).

Actual uni itself... nada, zilch, zero, fuck all - but a nice video of the uni mascot in social distancing mode.

Personally doing the start of the year in online mode would really suit me - as long as it was a bit more organised than the end of this year understandably was - but I'm not a teenager losing the whole "university experience" - I'm an old git thinking "woo I can save a fortune on commuting and parking"

Monkey2001 · 13/05/2020 17:18

Covering this on PM on radio 4 at the moment

Benjispruce · 13/05/2020 18:20

Durham are still saying they are expecting face to face teaching in October. Please!!!!!

justasking111 · 13/05/2020 18:28

Well they are face to face teaching in primaries soon, now uni students are not snotty, do not want to sit on your lap, so all in all would rather teach them I think Grin

Piggywaspushed · 13/05/2020 18:32

Are you sure just !? Grin

Piggywaspushed · 13/05/2020 18:34

DS has broken his phone (yes! again!) , this time permanently. This means he has no phone numbers, WhatsApp etc details of any of his future housemates. Sigh.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 13/05/2020 18:35

What did they say on Radio 4 PM @Monkey2001?

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