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University life for 'freshers' (2019/20) - first year campus life suspended, sitting out/surviving the pandemic and staying on top of studying [Edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

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NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 25/03/2020 19:04

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AtiaoftheJulii · 08/04/2020 12:02

Notes s/b hours!

AtiaoftheJulii · 08/04/2020 12:13

I have to admit I'm a lot less sad for first year DS than I am for final years DD1 and DD2. A very abrupt and anticlimactic end to their uni life.

NewModelArmy - will there be a safety net? If first year results don't count towards the final degree they might not bother with one I suppose.

Benjispruce · 08/04/2020 17:41

DD just had an email to say their first year results will NOT be protected by a threshold. It’s not gone down well.

bigTillyMint · 08/04/2020 18:41

@Benjispruce, DS just told me he doesn’t even need to pass his exams Confused

Tonyaster · 08/04/2020 19:51

Dd will be having online exams. She's already had one lot in Jan.

Ginfordinner · 08/04/2020 20:15

I think it is usual to have exams in January and May, like they do at school. DD had exams in December and January, and will have online exams in May.

fromlittleacorns · 08/04/2020 22:06

"let's keep hoping they can go back in September"

There are usually about 1.8mn undergraduates - not all are UK students, but hazarding a guess at c 1.5mn? And also the universities do need the fee income. So I would expect the universities to be operational by September - or what will the 1.5mn 18-22 year olds do otherwise, and what will universities do for income? But whether that will be online or 'on site' is the other question -
I would suspect that the universities may be concerned about losing students if they are still online in September? The less motivated existing students may drop out rather than pay fees for online-only; and potential 1st years may decide to defer (though on the other hand they may think what else would they be doing, so might as well start now). So what i think I'm thinking is that the universities too will be very keen to find a way to go back to 'real' rather than on-line only by September, if it is at all possible.

Piggywaspushed · 09/04/2020 06:39

This was on BBC this morning about accommodation. It's a scandal that some places are still holding the line :

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52221001

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 09/04/2020 08:27

There was an article I read yesterday that implied that the 20-30 year olds could be the first out of lockdown but only if they are not living with older parents/relatives. This would be help the economy to survive, mindful that they fall into one of the 'least likely to die from it' categories. I am not sure whether that would include students or not.

Should everything remain 'online and virtuaI' come the start of the new academic year, I think you are right to suspect that many students may choose to defer if they're on the point of heading off to university.

Also agree that many soon-to-be-second-years (our DC's cohort) may decide they'd prefer to stay at home if they are not going to be able to physically return to uni life any time soon.

That's an interesting article @Piggywaspushed but disgraceful that there are different rules being applied. Sadly, it looks as if it's mainly the post '92 universities (who have probably always outsourced their accommodation to private providers) that are being impacted. Grossly unfair situation.

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HostessTrolley · 09/04/2020 09:00

There are so many differences in how unis are handling assessment.

DS (final year, information security) has his final exams replaced with essentially mini projects, and the uni policy means that as long as he passes everything he won’t get below his average mark, basically before he does his final assessments or his dissertation is marked, as long as he passes then he knows he’s got a first. Nice position to be in but he was looking forward to the challenge.

Dds uni (she’s a first year medic) have a ‘safety net’ policy that apparently is different for first years but even so doesn’t apply to medics. She has timed online exams, which she is fine with but apparently will cause some of the international students to be sitting theirs in the middle of the night unless the uni change this under student pressure.

Dds boyf (oxford) has had his first year exams cancelled completely...

fromlittleacorns · 09/04/2020 11:04

"Should everything remain 'online and virtuaI' come the start of the new academic year, I think you are right to suspect that many students may choose to defer if they're on the point of heading off to university."

Yes I agree with myself! - although conversely, what will those students do instead in the gap year? In the hypothetical situation that universities aren't going back 'properly', I think it can also be hypothesised that jobs will be very scarce, travel difficult/impossible, and how many can afford to volunteer/do nothing for a year? (sorry if I'm repeating myself, i've definitely said this on another thread if not this one!) It's an important macro issue though because with about 500k? potential new undergrads, that could be a significant addition to unemployment problems and university financial problems if a proportion of them decide against going after all.

On whether existing students will drop out, I have recently sensed on mn (though not elsewhere!) that there may be some disillusionment with the 1st yr experience even before this, partly added to by the effect of the strikes (not expressing a view on the merits of those, just on the effect on students). Those soon-to-be second years who might have carried on in normal times may just throw in the towel if asked to pay another £9k for on-line. (Though, again, what opportunities for them elsewhere?) Again, an important issue in terms of unemployment and university income. Presumably this is all being discussed quite keenly.

Baytreemum · 09/04/2020 12:38

With so many students facing reduced teaching next term, would this not be an appropriate time for the Government to implement the recommended tuition fee reduction to £7500 p.a. thus reducing the fee payment to £1333 for this final term instead of £3083? Surely the costs for next term are reduced for universities with the reported redundancies, furloughing, lack of invigilating etc.? This would seem to be a fair gesture of goodwill to our students.

justasking111 · 09/04/2020 13:25

DS is only getting audio teaching. He finds this difficult, I am not going to pay near on £20k next year for some radio type teaching!!!!

justasking111 · 09/04/2020 13:35

Can I see some evidence for this reduced teaching please. Or is it just rumours.

Tonyaster · 09/04/2020 13:42

Dd is definitely facing reduced teaching - can't do any group work, can't use the labs so a real hit on her normal hours

Piggywaspushed · 09/04/2020 13:51

I think the govt will be very keen to hold the line that online teaching is just as effective , given that is what every 5 - 18 year old is currently also experiencing. If they suddenly had to acknowledge it is not as good in one sector, the rest of their assertions would crumble and they would then have to invest time, energy, thought and effort into making some wholescale changes to GCSEs for next year for current year 10s and A Levels etc for year 12s... I think the DfE are currently doing rather good ostrich impressions instead!

Tonyaster · 09/04/2020 14:18

If you need to use a lab and specialist equipment and work with people there's no way it can be just as effective Confused

Writing essays and online lectures are fine.

HoldMyLobster · 09/04/2020 14:34

British universities are heavily subsidised by students from abroad paying high fees. They are potentially going to have a year of those students not coming to the UK for university.

Just another factor to add to the unknowns.

Here in the US, universities are bracing themselves for lost income from not being able to run summer school, followed by a year of no foreign students, combined with increased need for financial aid, combined with the fact that they just refunded room and board to almost everyone, combined with their endowments having been hit hard by the stock market crash.

Ginfordinner · 09/04/2020 14:43

If you need to use a lab and specialist equipment and work with people there's no way it can be just as effective

I agree. DD is doing biomedical sciences and does several labs a week.

justasking111 · 09/04/2020 17:02

I found something on Aberdeen, you need to scroll down to find it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education

simbobs · 09/04/2020 17:39

Having just signed a guarantor contract for next year's accommodation, as well as having to pay for next term, I will be incredibly unhappy if they don't go back in September, as will DS. He now has automatic entry to 2nd year so no motivation to do any further study, has no social life, cannot work outside the home if living with us, in order to protect DH. What hope for this cohort if things do not get back to normal. We have to be more optimistic than that. DD will be starting final year in September and I can't countenance her not having a proper academic year either.

Benjispruce · 09/04/2020 22:18

I’m not even considering the possibility that September won’t be happening as it should. Can only think one day at a time.

bigTillyMint · 10/04/2020 07:07

Me too - there’s no point in worrying about the future when everything is so uncertain.

bengalcat · 10/04/2020 08:33

I think that term will start Sept//Oct and younger children will be back to school . Mine seems to be keeping herself busy during the Easter hols doing a spot of studying , home workouts , walking the dog and enjoying my culinary experiments .

ZandathePanda · 10/04/2020 09:52

There’s an article about some universities going bankrupt:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52237664

I think a ‘normal’ September start is going to be pushed for by many.

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