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University 2020 :4: The wait for grades and better days ahead

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MillicentMartha · 20/03/2020 22:00

New thread for us. Interesting times.

Old thread here

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oneteen · 04/05/2020 12:12

Cambridge International students are only around 10 percent.. They probably over offer by 30 percent.. St Andrews will suffer more than most from no international students.. They have an intake of just under 25 percent...

Im expecting some Unconditional offers to roll out in June.. I don't think Unis will want to wait until results day to know who are likely to start in September..

Things will change in 5 months we now look to have a viable antibody test which will mean that those students who have had the virus will be ok to start in September October.

Yorkshirehillbilly · 04/05/2020 12:27

I think it’s extra 5% home students which won’t necessarily make up for loss foreign students but stops top unis filling all their places at expense lower ranking ones which would become unviable if top unis were allowed to offer all foreign places to home students. So if 20% home students holding offers have decided not to go this year and unis can offer an extra 5% places to home students overall how will these spare places be allocated? Are top courses really going to go into clearing which will be full of people trying to trade up as well as those who miss their grade. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have another round of offers now eg to those who applied, are likely get grades but narrowly missed an offer and allow students to change their firm and insurance. Surely even oxbridge would rather fill their extra 5% home places from those who made it to interview stage than take pot luck at clearing or offer to those who miss grades. Or am I massively overthinking this?

Oratory1 · 04/05/2020 12:33

Oxbridge are not financially challenged though and would run with lower numbers if places not filled or taken up. Several courses at some colleges don’t offer if they don’t think the students make the grade.

A different story elsewhere

Newgirls · 04/05/2020 13:36

Swan testing for this age group would make a lot of sense - they are the low risk age group anyway so madness to keep them locked away not working/studying. Hopefully it would make uni professionals feel safer but who knows

Newgirls · 04/05/2020 13:37

Swab!!

MillicentMartha · 04/05/2020 14:29

I did wonder?!

My knowledge of SWAN is for disabilities, Syndrome Without A Name, of which there are many, sadly.

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Newgirls · 04/05/2020 14:40

Just my autocorrect not knowing all the new words we now use!!

Grufallosfriends · 04/05/2020 17:06

those students who have had the virus will be ok to start in September October

What about the rest Confused?

suze28 · 04/05/2020 17:29

I've just seen this on fb which is of interest for our children intending to start this autumn

University 2020 :4: The wait for grades and better days ahead
aibutohavethisusername · 04/05/2020 18:20

Message from the Universities Minister, Michelle Donelan:

I understand the uncertainty that many of you who are planning to go to university will feel at the moment, due to the impact of coronavirus on all aspects of your lives. I wanted to write to you and address as many of these issues as I can.

Admissions

The Government is working closely with universities to ensure prospective students can start and continue their studies. We want to minimise the impact of COVID-19 on your ability to progress to university and achieve your goals. This means ensuring that this year’s admissions cycle faces as little disruption as possible and Clearing goes ahead as normal, so you have every opportunity to make the decision that is right for you.

When I previously wrote, I told you we had asked universities to temporarily pause making changes to offers already made to prospective students: this ends today, Monday 4 May. The Government, the Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (UCAS), the Office for Students, and universities have been working together and today we have announced measures that will empower you to make more informed decisions about entry to higher education.

We have agreed with UCAS to bolster the Clearing process this year. Whether you have a conditional or unconditional offer, you will have the opportunity to change your choice once you have received your grades. This will be supported by a new service that can suggest alternative opportunities, based on your qualifications, your course interest, and other preferences, helping you filter the multitude of courses in a structured way.

In response to calls from universities, we have also temporarily limited the numbers of students each higher education provider can recruit, to ensure a fair, structured distribution across providers, and deter practices which might induce you to make a decision against your own interests. Providers will be able to recruit full-time, domestic students up to 5% above their forecasts in the next academic year, and the Government will also have the discretion to allocate an additional 10,000 places, with 5,000 ring-fenced for nursing, midwifery or allied health courses, to support the country’s vital public services.

I want to reassure you that, if you have accepted an offer, meet the conditions, and decide to take the place, nothing has changed.

On 16 April, Gavin Williamson, the Education Secretary, announced that A level results day will remain unchanged (13 August). We also recently set out the approaches to other Level 3 qualifications (see assessment of vocational and technical qualifications), and more information will be provided in the coming days and weeks. I am also pleased that UCAS has moved its forthcoming decision deadline to 18 June. This means you will have more time to make important decisions about your future, if you need it.

I will continue to work to make sure there is a clear and supportive admissions system that allows you as prospective students to make the best choice for you.

Accommodation

Those of you planning to begin your studies away from home may well have concerns about the impact the coronavirus outbreak could have on your ability to move into your term-time accommodation next academic year.

I am pleased to tell you that a number of universities and private accommodation providers are already considering how these impacts could be managed in accommodation contracts for the 2020/21 academic year, to give you confidence to make your plans.

I welcome the actions of many university and private accommodation providers in waiving and reducing rents this summer, along with their efforts to support and care for their students through this difficult period. This gives me confidence in their ability to help us all navigate the unprecedented circumstances that make the future so hard to predict.

If you have already signed an accommodation contract for next year and, because of coronavirus, think it may no longer fit your requirements, you should talk directly to your housing provider. If you run into problems, you will be able to raise a complaint under one of the accommodation codes of practice, as long as your provider is a code member: The Student Accommodation Code, Unipol, and National Residential Landlords Association.

While I am confident that consumer protections are in place to help with your plans to move into halls or private housing next academic year, it is still important that you carefully read your accommodation contract before putting pen to paper.

Means Tested Maintenance Loans

Many of you will have applied for a Maintenance Loan for the coming academic year, 2020/21, and some of your families will have seen their income reduced in recent times. If you have been awarded the maximum Maintenance Loan, you do not need to do anything, as you will receive the maximum level of support as planned. If you have applied for support, and have been awarded a lower amount than the maximum, and believe your household income for the current tax year (2020/21) will drop by at least 15% compared to the household income you provided when you were initially assessed, Student Finance England may be able to help. Further guidance on eligibility and how to apply is available online.

Mental health support

I understand some of you may be feeling uncertain and anxious, and it is vital that you can access the mental health support you need. I have told higher education providers that this should be a priority at this time, and many are strengthening their existing mental health services and adapting how they are delivered, so it doesn’t have to be face-to-face. Once you start your studies, I would encourage you to stay in touch with your provider’s student support and welfare teams, as these services are likely to be an important source of support. As well as speaking to your university, any student who is struggling can access online resources from Public Health England, along with online support from the NHS and the mental health charity, Mind.

Conclusion

Finally, I was glad to be able to answer lots of questions that are on your minds during the recent UCAS Facebook Live event. It was great to hear your views directly and understand what the most important issues for you are, so I can help to address them. I am looking forward to taking part in another UCAS Facebook Live tomorrow (5 May), so if you have questions about this letter or any other issues, please put them forward and tune in.

I remain committed to helping you, as prospective students, to move on to the next exciting phase of your life.

Michelle Donelan, Universities Minister.

aibutohavethisusername · 04/05/2020 18:20

That’s for students in England.

HesMyLobster · 04/05/2020 19:29

Thankyou for sharing Smile

Hoghgyni · 04/05/2020 19:59

Well as long as nobody can remove a previous offer, everything is fine here.

Somerville · 04/05/2020 21:01

Well as long as nobody can remove a previous offer, everything is fine here.

That's still unclear isn't it? They can only go 5% above home student forecast so what will those universities who over-offer do if more than 5% extra get the right grades? Ask some to defer to next year? Or remove the offer?

StSaulOfSnacks · 05/05/2020 08:07

What would they have done otherwise? Or was there no limit? In which case the forecasts were meaningless anyway.

Ironoaks · 05/05/2020 09:42

Each university will have a lot of data from previous years on how many applicants are likely to meet the conditions of their offer. If fewer than expected get the required grades, then the university can let in those who missed by one grade, then by two, and so on until the courses are filled. If more than expected get the required grades, the course is over capacity (as happened at several universities last autumn).

If this year's process of awarding grades works as planned, the numbers of applicants getting the required grades for their offers should be similar to last year. However, universities are feeling nervous that they may not fill their places (fewer overseas students, some offer-holders choosing to defer. The result is a market where the universities are trying to attract applicants (lower offers, financial incentives). Universities that have historically filled their places should be OK, but the less popular universities might end up with not enough students to remain financially viable. The 5% increase cap is intended to reduce that risk.

I think the 5% increase cap is to prevent some universities vastly over

Ironoaks · 05/05/2020 09:47

Sorry about the last partial sentence. I started typing, then added too much to my first two paragraphs. I could pretend that I intended it as an illustration of what might happen to each tier of university, with my words being applicants.

Oratory1 · 05/05/2020 10:13

Great explanation! It must be so difficult - Unis have years of modeling and plan how to manage intakes for a normal year but they must just be guessing as to how many will take up places this autumn.

On the other hand you could argue the teacher assessments will see more people hitting their expected grades with fewer surprise exceeding and surprise misses. Normally an average will be hit with some exceeding and some missing - I think this year the same average will be hit but with more getting their expected if that makes sense

MillicentMartha · 05/05/2020 11:06

I want to reassure you that, if you have accepted an offer, meet the conditions, and decide to take the place, nothing has changed.

This is clearly stated above. If you meet your offer, you get your place. If anything there is more flexibility this year than normal. The statistical model that the exam boards will apply means than only the expected spread of grades will happen. They normally manage this by setting grade boundaries.

In other words, I agree with Ironoaks.

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oneteen · 05/05/2020 11:06

I must admit I can't get my head around what the Uni Minister posted surely giving more flexibility to students to change their mind on results day will mean more students will look at a better uni if they are offering a reduced offer through clearing.

I still think the same amount of people will miss uni predicted grades given that grades were predicted months ago and the teacher accessed grades awarded will be the same as previous years.. So if 50 percent of predicted grades were incorrect last year they will be incorrect this year because nothing has really changed.. The same amount of A*s and other grades will be the same. Unless I'm reading this incorrectly...obviously some schools predict grades better than others.

MillicentMartha · 05/05/2020 11:14

Maybe they envisage more places being available in clearing due to students deciding to defer? And there will be up to 5% more places potentially available. Without the 5% cap there would have been even more places available and students would have been aiming to trade up, leaving the lower ranked universities vulnerable.

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KingscoteStaff · 05/05/2020 11:42

I want to reassure you that, if you have accepted an offer, meet the conditions, and decide to take the place, nothing has changed.

But still no confirmation about whether offers will be honoured if they are met via the Autumn exams.

Or have I missed something...?

mumsneedwine · 05/05/2020 12:30

@KingscoteStaff autumn exams v likely to be in November with results in January. So will mean a year out anyway. That's if they can find anyone to mark them as teachers will be busy teaching (we mark in June/July as have no year 11 or 13 classes).

MillicentMartha · 05/05/2020 12:33

No, I don’t think you can use the Autumn exams to go to uni this year. I think they said results would be in December rather than January but who knows if that will change?

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MillicentMartha · 05/05/2020 12:36

When will the results of the autumn exams series be
released?
Our aim is for results to be awarded before Christmas. We are working with exam boards to work out how this can be delivered.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/883150/Summer_2020_grades_for_GCSE_AS_A_level_guidance_for_teachers_students_parents_UPDATED_05MAY2020_FINAL.pdf

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