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St Andrews

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IthinkIsawahairbrushbackthere · 29/01/2020 12:07

DD has received a very good offer from St Andrews. She loves the look of the course and is very keen to go there. Aside from the course she loves the idea of a small town, has no interest in nightlife as part of the "student experience" and loves the quirky traditions.

Does anyone have any experience of being there and the extra expenses that could be involved such as the extra cost of travel, formal dinners and the like?

We are a low income family in an economically deprived area. She is part of a very small 6th form - 12 in the Upper 6th. Her school is not in special measures but is holding on by the skin of its teeth! They are very keen for her to go to St Andrews but she is not going to be their responsibility!

We will support her as much as we possibly can but I am worried that it will be a lot more expensive than a less elite university.

Any thoughts?

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Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 18:19

@Monkey2001 honestly it's on the website and we can't now bring them home as we will be breaking the law. I am about to write a rant to my MSP its a shocker.

Monkey2001 · 24/09/2020 18:21

I can't believe it, poor students!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54285720

Gottheteeshirtandlostit · 24/09/2020 18:28

Diving in here as have been lurking because DS has just started at Edinburgh uni (staying at home). Have the English universities properly gone back yet? I think they are a little behind time wise. Isn't this all going to be repeated on a MASSIVE scale in the next week or so in England?

Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 18:33

@Monkey2001 I have just written a very strong email to my MSP I am so stressed and very tearful.

Monkey2001 · 24/09/2020 18:38

@Alittlewornout Flowers have you heard from DD? The Student Association just have to make the hall/bubble socialisation work now or everybody will just go home. Sad

Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 18:50

@Monkey2001 I usually always agree with your measured posts but feel so strongly about this. They have virtually placed students in full lockdown. My argument would be that if this is the case then we should all be in the same position and not just target these kids. Schools are back and you are not telling me 14 to 17 year olds are not socialising , travelling etc. I feel sorry for St Andrews businesses they are really going to feel it. I have written a very strongly worded email to my MSP and have encouraged my kids to do the same.

haggisaggis · 24/09/2020 18:50

It’s really shocking. I don’t know how dd will cope. She’s very dyslexic and is used to going through things with me at the weekend re reading for the following week to reduce her stress levels. Now she’ll be on her own or via FaceTime which won’t be the same. She says she’s ok at the moment but don’t know what she’ll be like come the weekend. It’s really no fun for them at all and like they’re getting blamed for the whole mess! They’re 18 - of course they want to socialise!

Newgirls · 24/09/2020 18:54

They seem to be an easy target - it makes me so angry.

AChickenCalledDaal · 24/09/2020 18:59

gottheteeshirt yes, English universities are on the brink of starting. We are in SE England and most of DDs school friends are travelling this week or next.

She's gone silent on me, which normally means she's very stressed. She likes her course but I don't think she's been outside for a week Sad.

Monkey2001 · 24/09/2020 19:10

@Alittlewornout I agree that it is very unfair. Unless there are more cases we don't know about, this is a disproportionate response to the situation in St Andrews. Clearly there was not enough thought put in to making a life which works for the students.

The ray of hope is that Nicola Sturgeon said that the original rules were for 3 weeks to get things back under control. If it is more than that, they will HAVE to find a better solution.

One of the dangers of having such a draconian rule is that it is so difficult to stick to that a lot of people will do their best to break the rules rather than buy in to the value of them. "The cure has to be better than the problem".

I hope the Student Association will come out with something soon, it is a real baptism of fire for them. I am sure there are lots of us thinking that it is all very well for the senior management in their lovely homes with big gardens, maybe they would feel differently about the rules if they were living in small student rooms with a random group of people the only ones they are allowed to mix with.

Heffapotamus · 24/09/2020 19:13

Banned from going to pubs and hospitality venues??? Wtf!! That means I can't even visit and take him for a cup of coffee. It's gone beyond a joke. Paying through the nose, basically to be imprisoned 😡

Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 19:18

Email sent out from the head said they have had 12 cases in total. The kids from last week will likely be almost recovered by now. So yes compared to other unis small numbers so far. You are right @Monkey2001 this hard line is way over the top.

Heffapotamus · 24/09/2020 19:21

Dear Students
I am writing to thank you for all you are doing individually and collectively to prevent the further spread of Covid-19 in our community.
So many of you have responded selflessly and constructively to our call last week for a voluntary lockdown.
I know that this has not been popular, and that none of you would have wished to have your experience of St Andrews curtailed in this way. As a student community, however, you have set a really positive example for others to follow.
You may be aware that there are now serious outbreaks of Covid at several universities elsewhere in Scotland, and the UK, many times the order of magnitude of the number of cases we have experienced so far in St Andrews.
The spread of Covid from student communities to the wider population is now the Scottish Government’s major public health concern, and they have made it very clear that additional, substantial preventative action is now required at all universities.
In St Andrews, a further five cases of Covid have been confirmed in the University community this week. This is in addition to the four cases about which I notified you on Monday. In total, since we returned in September, we have had 12 confirmed cases, involving 10 students and two members of staff. Of the five new cases notified this week, two are sporadic and three are linked to community transmission.
This weekend, with the strong encouragement of the Scottish Government, every university in Scotland will ask all students to observe a voluntary restriction on visiting pubs, bars and restaurants, as we asked you to do last week to break the chains of transmission in our community.
It is our hope that this is for this weekend only, but that is dependent on case numbers stabilising. We will update you as soon as we can next week.
This voluntary request is in addition to important new Government regulations introduced yesterday around socialising and visiting each other’s households, which apply to all people in Scotland.
These new regulations, and the voluntary nationwide request to all students not to visit pubs, bars or restaurants, will affect us in St Andrews in the following ways:
Household visits and socialising
Please do not meet people from any other households in your home or flat, or another person’s home or flat socially. This is no longer a request from the University for voluntary restrictions on household visits and parties; from Friday it will be the law of the land for all of us.
If you are currently living in one of our halls of residence, you will already be part of a designated household group. If you are unsure about this, please check with your hall warden or our residence staff.
We are seeking clarification from Government on what this means for the use of shared spaces and common areas in our halls of residence, and we will update all of you as soon as we have this.
Public outdoor spaces and private gardens
A maximum of six people from two households can meet in outdoor spaces. You should limit as far as possible the total number of households you meet in a day. I know that the beach is a popular place for students to meet and you should absolutely continue to do that if you wish, providing you respect the six people from two households condition, remain clearly physically distanced from other groups, and please make sure you clean up after you have been there.
Pubs, bars, restaurants and public indoor spaces
A maximum of six people from two households can meet in public indoor spaces. However, all universities in Scotland are asking students to agree not to visit pubs, bars or restaurants. It is a measure of the gravity of the current situation that this is being asked of you at this time.
An important exception to this request are students who work in hospitality establishments. Please do continue to go to work.
Sport
We do not believe there are any new restrictions on sporting activity, beyond those already in place. We will keep this under review, however, and advise you promptly if that changes. This weekend, our Saints Sport programme will continue as normal with the exception of contact sports. It was great to see our playing fields so busy this week and I hope that this will continue to be the case.
Libraries, Byre and Students’ Association
We will be keeping these facilities open for limited activities at weekends, although the bar in the Students’ Association will be closed for as long as these restrictions are in place. Rectors’ Café and the University Shop will be open during the day. The Byre will be screening films especially for students and live-streaming Shakespeare, as well as hosting a digital music festival, and the Main Library can be accessed for study space.
Protect Scotland App
If you have not already done so, please download the Protect Scotland App. This is a request at present, but we expect it to become a requirement for all students at all Scottish universities in the near future.
We all appreciate that these restrictions are at best inconvenient, and in most cases require you to make very significant sacrifices. It is my job to work as hard as possible for you to ensure they are for the short term, and to provide as much support and information as you require. Please contact our Student Services team if you’re feeling anxious or have a particular issue with which we can help.
I wish I did not have to ask you all again to observe a voluntary lockdown, but if we do not act now as a community and a country, Covid may ensure that any lockdown is no longer voluntary, and much more far-reaching than the measures I have detailed above.
Thank you again for your cooperation and patience. It should drive the determination of our entire community to get through this crisis as comprehensively and as rapidly as possible.
Sally Mapstone
Principal and Vice-Chancellor

😡

Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 19:21

@Heffapotamus exactly and technically my 2 kids who both attend uni can't meet in any way shape or form but may just happen to be walking on the beach at the same time. If I were you I would take my thermos and sit on a bench somewhere would just be a happy coincidence if he sat at the other end.Wink

Heffapotamus · 24/09/2020 19:25

I think that may be what I have to do!

Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 19:28

Honestly its beginning to feel like an MI5 mission! Being devious isn't normally in my nature but it's a trait that appears to be developing.

Heffapotamus · 24/09/2020 19:33

I wonder if they will provide Saturday and Sunday evening catering in those halls that normally don't. 🤔

AChickenCalledDaal · 24/09/2020 19:50

Nicola Sturgeon has clarified that the bar/restaurant ban is intended to be just for the weekend. So bascially, all Scottish unis now asked to do what St Andrews did last weekend. The Principal did say she was working closely with Government ... I'm getting the impression that was very true! I guess they are hoping to get a lid on the much larger outbreaks in the cities.

Still feeling pretty anxious, though, and wishing I could wave a magic wand and bring her home.

Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 19:57

@AChickenCalledDaalFlowers for you it's so hard when you are far away. I bet the SNP have had a massive backlash on this and NS has had to do yet another U turn. Thank goodness for you ladies as I can happily rant on here and then present positive cheery mum to the kiddos! Might nominate myself for an oscar next year! Maybe when this is all over we should all have a MN drink together in St Andrew's?Wine

AChickenCalledDaal · 24/09/2020 20:09

Maybe when this is all over we should all have a MN drink together in St Andrew's? Wine

Grin That is very possibly the best offer I've had all year!

I bet @IThinkISawAHairbrushBackThere never realised she was starting such an essential support network when she started this thread back in the completely different world that was January 2020.

Newgirls · 24/09/2020 20:13

So up for a drink 🥃 also just did the cheerful face and then moaned on here 😂 dd seems ok so I think must really like neighbours and course. She’s coming back at reading week so we shall see if she goes back (or allowed to!)

Yes they should do food in halls or is takeaway ok?! Going to supermarkets?

Alittlewornout · 24/09/2020 20:25

You are all so lovely and I pledge here and now I will organise drinks for us when this is over. Raising a glass to our DC who to be fair seem to be quite calm in the face of adversity whilst we are all stressed to the hilt!!😂🍷

Heffapotamus · 24/09/2020 20:30

I'd be up for drinks 🥂🍸🥃🍷🍾🍹 - of any variety 🤣

Monkey2001 · 24/09/2020 20:31

Haha looking forwards to the days when parties are allowed again for us and our DC!

@Heffapotamus your DC can still meet outside, but you can't legally meet them at the same time (but shhh... who will know you are not a household)?

ApolloandDaphne · 24/09/2020 20:41

@AChickenCalledDaal

Maybe when this is all over we should all have a MN drink together in St Andrew's? Wine

Grin That is very possibly the best offer I've had all year!

I bet @IThinkISawAHairbrushBackThere never realised she was starting such an essential support network when she started this thread back in the completely different world that was January 2020.

Can I come and be the ambassador for the group drinks in St Andrews? As a resident of st Andrews, a student at the uni and a long time MNetter I think this is a position I could fulfill!