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Oxbridge 2020 (8th thread)

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DadDadDad · 25/01/2020 13:38

A thread to continue discussing entry to Oxbridge in October 2020 (less than nine months away Shock ). All welcome, although this obviously will be of most interest to those with DS or DD holding an offer, and wanting to find a bit of support.

All too soon, 13 August will come over the horizon. Until then, ask questions... share experiences... discuss news and stats... write a poem... (we did briefly have some poetry on a previous thread).

With huge thanks to @HugoSpritz and predecessors for previous threads.

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Flyonawalk · 21/03/2020 23:21

Thank you. I do appreciate you answering. I will stop asking questions for a bit! It’s been a draining few days for us all and a lot to take in. I wish you and your candidate all the best.

JulesJules · 22/03/2020 06:59

D1 now has a terrible cold (no coughing, thank God) but was cheered up yesterday by getting a special pencil in the post from her insurance choice. She can plant the pencil because there's seeds in it Grin

sandybayley · 22/03/2020 07:37

Oh it's rubbish isn't it. Happy Mother's Day for the mothers and a call out for Dadx3.

This time last year I was fretting about having DS1 and DD doing A Levels and GCSEs iat the same time. The thought of an angsty Easter was bothering me. What I'd give to have the pair of them revising upstairs today 🙁

But both of them are hard and solid workers with strong and consistent academic records and I have faith in their teachers to be fair.

PantTwizzler · 22/03/2020 10:27

I’m not sure what DS’s school has planned re work. He is very depressed about the abrupt end to school, and social isolation now.

Off topic for this thread, but lots of anxiety here for my home ed GCSE candidate — the exam centre suggested just cancelling all her exams. I’m hoping some solution can be found to what he describes as home ed candidates being “particularly disadvantaged”.

LancashirePeeler · 22/03/2020 12:19

I know the current information is sketchy about A levels but could anyone advise me? DS has worked pretty hard for the past two years and did very well in his year 12 exams and this year’s mocks. Based on them, his coursework and prior attainment in GCSE subjects related to his A levels he could be looking at A*AA. His sixth form college (state and huge) sent him to a Cambridge subject taster. I know he loved that but wondered if Cambridge was for him. He also felt he probably wouldn’t get an A in one of his subjects but he has really turned it around and got a high mark for his coursework which should be an A. In the current climate do you think he’d be able to take a year out and apply to Cambridge?

DearPrudence · 22/03/2020 21:58

@PantTwizzler that's really hard for the home educated kids. My DS was taking one A level as a self-taught private candidate so he won't get a grade for that.

RedHelenB · 23/03/2020 07:22

Everyone applying to Oxbridge will have been predicted the necessary grades as a minimum. So it will be massively oversubscribed. I wonder what they Lloyd do.

goodbyestranger · 23/03/2020 07:29

I don't agree, about Oxford at least. Also, predicted for UCAS isn't the same as teacher/ exam board assessed at this stage of the year.

goodbyestranger · 23/03/2020 07:32

I simply don't know about Cambridge. I assume they'll go ahead with a form of STEP for Maths and other subjects haven't historically over offered to the same extent.

goodbyestranger · 23/03/2020 07:35

PantTwizzler so tricky for home educated DC. Are Ofqual really just going to abandon them?

RedHelenB · 23/03/2020 07:49

I know they won't over offer by loads but no one this year won't meet the offer.

Flyonawalk · 23/03/2020 08:08

I think there will be a lot of overseas students asking to defer to 2021, uncertainty of travel and all that. Which would make next year’s admissions cycle extremely competitive as lots of places will already be filled. But it would likely mean that numbers in October 2020 are manageable for them.

goodbyestranger · 23/03/2020 09:01

They aren't required to say yes to deferrals though. I reckon anyone holding an Oxbridge offer is very lucky at the moment and has far less to worry about than those with offers at other popular unis.

Flyonawalk · 23/03/2020 09:06

That’s a positive view for Oxford offer holders, and yes I agree. I still think the uni will be helpful to anyone needing to defer, even though they don’t have to say yes. After all, students from China may not be allowed back home if they come to the UK, so they would have strong grounds for delaying. Of course we are looking ahead to October when restrictions may have been lifted.

Flyonawalk · 23/03/2020 09:06

I said Oxford - I meant Oxbridge!

LancashirePeeler · 23/03/2020 09:29

So all the schools will be saying their students will attain whatever grade they need to get into Oxbridge? This, despite the fact it would never happen in real life? That sounds fair.

furisflying · 23/03/2020 10:00

My good friend who is a head of year in one of London’s independent schools told us that any student who has an Oxbridge conditional offer can basically start packing their suitcases now. Unless something absolutely drastic has happened in the last two terms (eg the student literally hasn’t shown up for school or completed a single piece of work) no teacher is going to deny that student their Oxbridge place. In order to reduce predicted grades, they need proof that a student would not have achieved those grades in the summer. The fact is, no teachers can have this proof and so they will have to give them the benefit of the doubt. What else can they do? They realise Oxbridge over-offer, some courses more than others, but to be frank, this is the unis’ problem, not the schools’ problem. Schools would rather take their chances with moderators than take a student’s place from them with no solid evidence. Particularly as, in the case of Oxbridge, these students have already got through the interview stage.

In the case of Oxbridge, they will just have to deal with a bulge year. In reality, this will mean four students in a supervision rather than two, etc. They will have to sort extra accommodation. But it’s not the end of the world and anyway, what is the alternative?

The unis that will be very hit are the ones that would normally receive a high proportion through clearing because very few students will need to be going through this process this year.

My DD showed me on Friday that someone on social media was showing a letter from Liverpool Hope University which states that, as if Friday, they are making all their conditional offers unconditional. This says it all.

Also, international students won’t get put off because it takes a lot of determination to apply overseas. Even if they can’t fly in Sept, the unis will simply have to provide remote teaching for a few weeks / months. Chinese students in particular, will know that this virus will pass and are unlikely to let it dictate their education plans.

If anyone is to be impacted, it’s the current Year 12s who won’t be able to attend any open days or summer schools run by outreach programmes, etc. Nor will they be able to complete any voluntary work, service trips, D of E, performances., lectures etc etc - all the things that might have given the edge to those personal statements. Also, an important term is being taught remotely and home circumstances may dictate how well students are able to engage in home learning.

MarchingFrogs · 23/03/2020 10:52

Nor will they be able to complete any voluntary work, service trips, D of E, performances., lectures etc etc - all the things that might have given the edge to those personal statements.

MOOCs?
Gresham Lectures (archived and live streamed - there's one this evening)
www.gresham.ac.uk/

Flyonawalk · 23/03/2020 10:53

That is a very good point Furisflying about overseas students needing remote teaching in first term and then joining in person later on. I hadn’t thought of that, and yes as you say they have to be extra determined to apply from overseas. Also what you say is true about unis just having more students in a tutorial/supervision. I am sure they will make it work somehow!

AndromedaPerseus · 23/03/2020 11:22

I believe Oxbridge doesn’t tend to over offer by every much as it can always poach students from other universities if their original student doesn’t make the grade and someone else they’ve interview and rejected does. From last year the Oxford PAT test willowed original applicants down from 8 to 2.5 for interview and I suspect they rejected at least 1 at interview so gave an offer to 1.5. If 0.5 are international students who could be delayed in taking up their offer or taking other exams and not make the grade then they should be ok for taking in this year’s home students with a conditional offer.

goodbyestranger · 23/03/2020 12:40

Ok so I'm doubtful about this poaching idea. They're not so desperate that they need to poach. I suspect this is apocryphal.

AndromedaPerseus · 23/03/2020 12:52

If they don’t have the numbers they need they will poach it happened to some one I know.

furisflying · 23/03/2020 13:05

Here some stats for offers v acceptances by the various Cambridge colleges for last year, so you can see how many extras they might have to squash in!

If colleges have no extra accommodation capacity, they might have to put some in additional accommodation a little further out?

Oxbridge 2020 (8th thread)
goodbyestranger · 23/03/2020 13:13

One person. Allegedly.

furisflying · 23/03/2020 13:15

Basically, the totals show that, for this year only, Cambridge need to plan to accommodate the 700-800 students (who in other years would have missed the grades / not accepted offers) across all colleges and departments. Obviously some courses will have over-offered more than others though.

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