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olympicfan · 17/10/2019 20:19

Anyone got experience of a DC studying here? Is it really pressurised? How did they find the social aspect? It is very international, did that make a big difference to the university experience?

DD is looking at applying for Geography.

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BubblesBuddy · 17/10/2019 20:29

I don’t have first hand knowledge, and others do, but my advice would be that you really have to want the experience there and London of course. As you are aware, it’s one of the best. However others such as Durham. St Andrews and Bristol are also excellent as well as Oxbridge of course. I would ensure the course is what DS wants and is happy with the university because it is more international than most although I don’t know if it is for Geography.

Dljlr · 17/10/2019 20:49

I studied there. Social side great but expensive. Support from tutors outside of simply narrow academic feedback practically nonexistent. If they're a confident person who will thrive as an independent learner / person, yay. If they're more in need of emotional support / reassurance, nay.

Dljlr · 17/10/2019 20:51

Oh and yes very international, both in general and on my programme. Not sure what you mean about whether that made any sort of difference to the 'university experience' sorry.

BubblesBuddy · 17/10/2019 20:55

I think going out and generally socialising the way students do. Some international students go out via the Chinese society etc. Obviously that is not the case everywhere! But it can make a difference if you want something very student oriented and vibrant.

RosieLynn · 18/10/2019 23:37

My daughter is there currently and isn’t happy. She has really struggled socially and didn’t manage to make friends in halls. She also really dislikes the atmosphere of the university - she finds it very corporate and impersonal, and says you have to teach yourself virtually everything, with very little support. She calls it a ‘£9250 library card’.

Luckily several of her close friends from school are at Kings’ College and UCL very nearby, so she’s not alone in London.

This year she’s living with a school friend who goes to UCL, and two of that friend’s university friends. She’s a lot happier than when she was in halls. I’m not sure what she’d have done otherwise.

Dljlr · 19/10/2019 10:48

says you have to teach yourself virtually everything

Exactly this. There's a reason LSE is Russell Group; it's a research led institution. The academics working there want to research and publish; teaching is an irritant, and practical or pastoral support absolutely (many believe) not their remit.

BubblesBuddy · 19/10/2019 14:40

However their alumni are well paid! This is because they don’t need much “teaching” and are self starters. For all courses you can look up contact time.

This uni suits some DC and does have a different atmosphere from other universities, even RG ones. Quite a few students will live at home and others won’t be looking for new friends outside their own culture. This is more likely to be the case at the top ranked London universities where the world wants to be an undergrad.

My friends DS does Politics at a RG and has 6 hours contact a week. His parents also believed he should be taught, like school, but this just doesn’t happen.

I would also look at the content of Geography courses because they vary widely. Geography at LSE might not meet what your DD wants.

olympicfan · 19/10/2019 19:05

Thank you for all the feedback.

It is a shame your DD is unhappy Rosie. Was she tempted to transfer to a different university. How do her friends find it at UCL and Kings?

DD is also looking at UCL but she loves the look of the LSE course and the prestige. She is thinking of commuting in, which if you are paying 9K for a library card she might as well study from home.

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Needmoresleep · 19/10/2019 20:20

Bubbles was your DC happy at LSE? What sort of work did they go into?

Definitelyrandom · 19/10/2019 23:13

In case it’s of any help, DS turned down an offer of IR at LSE to do a more specialist course at KCL, which turned out to be the right decision for him, on the basis (as far as he can tell) that the course at KCL is much less pure political science and the lecturers are more engaged with the students. 3 out of the 4 of his immediate social circle are international students and there are strong bonds there. As ever, it’s horses for courses.

olympicfan · 21/10/2019 21:36

We went to the Campus Tour at LSE today. We were very impressed and got good vibes from the place. It is definitely DD number 1 choice. They really seem to be listening to student feedback.

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seondseti · 22/10/2019 00:14

I have a ds who has started at LSE this term and couldn’t be happier. He is meeting loads of interesting people from all over the world, has joined a range of societies that seem to be very active, is making friends, definitely has a social life and is challenged academically. He has no complaints at all. His impression is that maybe around a third of the students - perhaps mainly those doing economics - are very career focused and talking about finance internships from the start. He isn’t interested in that and has found plenty of people like him.

AuntieMarys · 22/10/2019 00:18

Dd in 3rd year there...didn't like halls 1st year as lots of international students who didn't socialise. Loved moving into ( expensive) house. Has job offer for next year through summer internship.

DippyAvocado · 22/10/2019 00:19

I have a DSS there in his second year. In the first year, he lived in student accommodation and it was very international. He did make a good group of friends after a while and is living in a shared house with them this year. Academically, I think he struggled at first with the lack of contact from tutors. At school, he was used to seeing his subject teachers whenever he needed anything and he found it hard to arrange appointments with his tutors, which led to a lot of fretting in his first year. However, he did well in all his modules and exams. I would say he is very hard-working and spends a huge amount of time in the library. He's always been like this though so not sure it's standard for other LSE students.

KickBishopBrennanUpTheArse · 22/10/2019 08:21

Following with interest.

Dd has applied for geography this year. It's her most aspirational choice. She applied because she loved the course (human geography) and she loves London. She is aware it's a long shot because it's so competitive.

She has also applied to Leeds and loves the course there too. If she does get offers from both she will go to offer holder days and decide.

I'd prefer her to go to Leeds because I think she'll have a better experience there. She's not very outgoing and might need more pastoral support. It's up to her though.

PotteringAlong · 22/10/2019 08:23

My sister went, many moons ago. She Loved it.

Findumdum1 · 22/10/2019 08:29

I did a masters there 15y ago and loved it, as a 25y old. But I had already worked for a bit in London and was very independent. Social life was great and I enjoyed meeting people from different places (lots of Greek and Americans when I was there). As a 17/18y old I think I may have been a bit overwhelmed. Definitely great for a confident, independent self starter I'd say, maybe less so for someone shy or used to being spoon fed.

Findumdum1 · 22/10/2019 08:33

I think its a good investment long term. People still bring it up at job interviews now even though I'm in my forties and it definitely opens doors. I have had an interview at pretty much every job I've applied for which is quite unusual I think, though RG for undegrad too so could be a combination effect.

Needmoresleep · 22/10/2019 09:48

Sorry about my slightly snitty post earlier. For some reason whilst MN seems to accept that different schools suit different children there is a prevailing assumption that all students want:

  • a "typical" student experience including plenty of alcohol.
  • prioritise a well paying job, most probably in law or banking.
  • as few international students as possible - with "Chinese" being seen as a particular problem
  • to be out of London and to live away from home.
and anyone outside that mold is somehow odd or lacking.

For many, these priorities may be true. I bumped into someone I knew at DS' LSE graduation. Her son's school had sent a full coach load to Bristol. They had seemingly had had much more "fun"; however her son had landed his dream graduate job and so felt that the trade-off had been worth it.

Both DS and I studied at the LSE. Me in the days when students were more left wing than the staff. DS stayed on for a Masters.

DS had a great time. He would think £9,250 great value for a library card, though got much much more than that. If you are focussed on either your subject or your future career, the opportunities are huge. Public lectures, "networking" talks given by practitioners, informal talks given by PhD students. DS undertook a couple of voluntary group research projects in his first year, one via his subject society was shortlisted to present at a conference in the US. Whilst an UG he somehow wangled a place to observe a regular peer review discussion group for post graduates. In his third year he picked up some paid research work plus took part in a voluntary SU project to run a lecture course for students wanting to brush up on their quantitative skills, and was student representative on a major departmental review. And more. He also regularly went to office hours, and received good practical support. I suspect that because LSE is so anonymous, staff often go out of their way to help students who show enthusiasm.

LSE is research heavy and 50% of the student body are post grad. Only 25% of Undergraduates are from the UK, and a fair proportion of these will be from ethnic minorities, and quite a high proportion live at home. First year lectures, especially in Economics, can be huge and classes are large with teaching rather than discussion. The diversity means that the social divisions between year groups and UG/PG are not so obvious, whilst the geographic spread means social life, societies etc, tend to be campus based. DS made no friends at all from hall (he was in an intercollegiate one) but plenty from different years and of different nationalities via societies. He played in a casual student-organised 7 a side league, and joined a school friend to use Imperial's excellent sports facilities. He got much closer to others on his course in his second and third years, with a student from Hong Kong organising the Friday post seminar pub sessions. He first rented a flat and then commuted from home. From observation there is not a lot in it: it depends on how well you get on with flat mates compared with how well you get on with parents. For many, London itself can be a playground. For example I recently met a food obsessed KCL student who had landed her dream Saturday job working in Borough Market (huge discount at all stalls!). The same applies to musicians, art lovers and so on.

DS is now studying for a PhD at a good University in the US and has discovered that his technical knowledge genuinely strong. His network is also excellent as LSE alumni seem to have found their way into just about every good economics faculty in the US.

I suspect DS did not know many geographers. In my day they were a tight knit group, who went on field trips, and owned wellingtons. They also played sport (the group I knew were netballers), which us "ents types" though very odd. My guess is that the smaller courses escape some of the social anomie (Durkhiem - about the only thing I picked up from first year sociology) that students on the larger courses face. The course itself looks fabulous, if your interests lie in economic and urban geography, and the department includes plenty of big names actively involved in policy and research.

In short, if you are interested in your subject is your primary reason for selecting a University, and you are a self-starter who will enjoy a rich and challenging course with peers from a multitude of diverse backgrounds, then go for it. LSE is special. If though at 18 you want a gentler introduction to life away from home, either take a gap year or think about what you really want from University.

FWIW it is worth, DD found her first year at Bristol really hard for the opposite reason. Flat of 12, at least one of whom stopped attending lectures in October, but carried on "being a student" until faced with summer exams. Halls miles from the University, and not much in the way of active societies, and as a Londoner she missed the diversity. It was a year before she found people with (non clubbing) shared interests and a desire to work hard as well as play hard. It is all about fit. DS found his feet almost straight away at LSE. I suspect for him, it would have taken longer elsewhere.

Findumdum1 · 22/10/2019 10:49

I work in Technology BTW, not Law or Banking, though well paid, eventually.

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