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Medicine 2019 - Part 2

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Monkey2001 · 24/02/2019 22:35

Oops, looks like none of noticed the old thread was full!

@HostessTrolley @Hoodiemum @4catsham @mamamedic @medicmom @mimiasovitch @Nightowlpossibly @ProfessorLayton1 @Tinkobell @Weaverspin @Itsthekissing @Sluj @Mumneedswine @Movingmountains

Apologies to any regulars I have missed

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Nightowlpossibly · 19/03/2019 11:15

4cats- Sorry to hear about Leicester. Hope you get some good news from liverpool soon . Glad your DD is staying positive, focussing on those grades is the right thing to do to keep all of her options open. Good luck.

Monkey2001 · 19/03/2019 13:55

This discussion of the number of places which are allocated post results day is quite interesting. I am trying to understand what the stats mean.

For 2018, the figures for medicine and dentistry were:

Applications - 90,980 (presumably that is around 23,000 applicants, most of whom applied for four places)

Allocated places on A level results day = 8,650 (presumably the number of people who achieved the offer they had).

Following Monday = 9,300, so a further 650 applicants got places within a couple of working days of results day. Presumably, on a practical level, these must be people who were either allowed in with some slipped grades or from waiting lists as there was no time for interviewing new applicants in that period.

23/8 (7 days after A level results) = 9,620, so an additional 320 - difficult to guess what their route to an offer was

13/9 (28 days after A level results) = 9,950, so a further 330 places, which look like they may be proper clearing places.

So by far the majority of "clearing" places are allocated within a few days of results day, presumably to candidates who had already been considered by the med schools.

It would be very interesting to see a list of which med schools do what. I think Sheffield, Leeds and Exeter operate a waiting list and Newcastle will not re-consider candidates they have rejected. Reserve lists are great second chance opportunity, so the policies are probably worth considering when deciding where to apply. For Leeds, you need to be in the top third of interviewees to get an offer, but to get on the waiting list you can probably be significantly further down the ranking as they can only consider applicants with no other offers.

Apologies to those of you with offers Envy for whom this is a rambling irrelevance Wink......

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HarryTheSteppenwolf · 19/03/2019 17:18

Following Monday = 9,300, so a further 650 applicants got places within a couple of working days of results day. Presumably, on a practical level, these must be people who were either allowed in with some slipped grades or from waiting lists as there was no time for interviewing new applicants in that period.

Or people who were not immediately rejected by their firm choice but were rejected within a day or two and picked up by their insurance choice (firm offer might have been higher than insurance).

For subsequent dates, any of the following may come into play: late A-level results; priority re-marks (a lot of these); applicants from reserve lists; confirmation of non-A-level qualifications (overseas, Access, graduate applicants sitting exams in final-year resit perod), late submission of occupational health/DBS declarations, genuine Clearing. Some applicants are impossible to contact and won't reply to requests for missing results, late documents, etc.; they have to be given deadlines and can only be rejected when they have failed to meet these.

HostessTrolley · 19/03/2019 17:36

We were talking to one of the admissions staff at Sheffield - we’d asked if A*AB would be acceptable and how flexible they are on results day. She said it is made more complicated because sometimes when they are the insurance choice, it has been known to take the firm choice up to a week to make a decision on whether or not to accept a candidate who has just missed their grade. But if they’ve made the grade for the insurance offer, then that’s binding, and the insurance uni can’t look to fill that space until the firm has either accepted the student, or rejected and ‘released’ them.

Btw, she said generally A*AB is fine against an AAA offer, and they have been known to take AAB but it depends on the results of everyone else, but is more likely to be accepted if they’re the firm choice rather than the insurance choice.

3catsandadog · 19/03/2019 18:19

A friend of my DS got into Sheffield last year with AAB and it was her insurance choice.

mumsneedwine · 19/03/2019 18:30

Sheffield take AAB if you have an A/A* in your EPQ.

HostessTrolley · 19/03/2019 19:07

They publicise that they drop a grade for a highly grades epq, Dd is on standard offer as not contextual and not doing epq - couldn’t fit it in as she works to run her car and fund her shopping habits 😂

I did ponder whether they’d take someone with AAB as insurance compared against someone with AAA (or higher) off the waiting list, but didn’t ask at the time. I guess it all depend on the bigger picture

Needmoresleep · 20/03/2019 10:04

I suspect accepting dropped grades will depend very much on where any individual university is on numbers.

One word of warning, DD says several of her peers got in with the odd dropped grade. But never chemistry. Her medical school wanted to see the A.

fingerscrossedmom · 21/03/2019 11:34

lots of helpful info on this thread... have any of your DC heard from nottingham as yet?

HostessTrolley · 21/03/2019 11:53

@fingerscrossedmom - nope. Interview was early December, which she felt went well, nothing heard yet. Two others from her school have applied there, one rejected, one hasnt heard but was interviewed later

fingerscrossedmom · 21/03/2019 12:24

@hostesstrolley - my ds also interviewed in early December and no news as yet ... also very quiet on the nottingham tsr chat so was wondering if we just missed something lol

HostessTrolley · 21/03/2019 12:39

Someone posted on tsr last week that their son had been told on the phone that there were more offers coming this week - ‘probably tuesday’. My d phoned them a couple of days ago, they looked her ucas number up on the system and said that she ‘should hear back within a couple of weeks’

At this stage they want to be making decisions and settling down to the work of actually getting the grades. My d is lucky in that the uni she wants to firm don’t open their accommodation applications just yet, I see there are students who are stressing out about this. I think the 3+ month wait post interview would have been easier if there had been an email saying ‘you’re on hold, and will hear by xxx’ or even just any communication.

fingerscrossedmom · 21/03/2019 13:19

@hostesstrolley - agreed... communication along the way would be very welcome.. so your daughter has another offer that she wants to firm? What is her preference if you don't mind my asking?

HostessTrolley · 21/03/2019 13:34

@fingerscrossedmom she will probably firm imperial, and has an offer from Sheffield. She’s waiting to hear from Nottingham and Kings, having had interviews for both in December. She’s really unsure what to put as her insurance, so she’s waiting to hear back, although as time passes she’s getting more sure it’s going to be two rejections. She was really unsure about Sheffield until the offer holder day last weekend which completely changed her view. The only thing stopping her insuring Sheffield and withdrawing from the others is that she’s prefer to be further south - probably more to do with boyfriend than family!

How about your son?

fingerscrossedmom · 21/03/2019 13:45

@hostesstrolley - wow congratulations to your daughter for her wonderful offers! No news here as yet but we are international family so likely some rejections as limited spaces to begin with. thank you for your kind replies :) signing off and back to work now

rbsk12 · 21/03/2019 14:38

Have to agree with your comments with regards to communication by Nottingham University.
My son had his interview in December and still no news. He was told this morning that he should receive a decision by 31st March and to ring if he hadn't heard by next week in case of any mistakes.Three have applied (including my son) from his school and none of them have heard back.
My son also felt that the interview went well but atm he is unclear as to whether he is on hold and therefore his offer is dependent on existing offer holders relinquishing their offer (he was told this was not the case) or if there is just a delay in making offers...

HostessTrolley · 21/03/2019 14:45

How are his other applications going, @rbsk12 ?

Quite a few from dd’s school are on hold for Imperial. But they were contacted three weeks after interview and told that they were being put on hold, I think they were given a date by which they’d hear back, which is better than 14 weeks of nothing with no idea of what’s going on...

rbsk12 · 21/03/2019 14:59

He is in the fortunate position of having three offers (Kings, Birmingham and Bristol) but Nottingham was definitely his first/second choice. I think at this stage he would just like to make decisions, sort out accommodation and focus on the exams.

Bristol also sent out emails three weeks after the interview (in November) to say that he was on hold but he was then given an offer just after Christmas. It's the lack of communication and moving goalposts ( was also told that offers would be coming out "probably Tuesday this week") that is frustrating!

Still, 31st March isn't so far away now...

HostessTrolley · 21/03/2019 15:04

To be fair, dds experience of kings is very similar to Nottingham, no communication at all since interview in early December. She’s ecstatic at having two offers, but if she does get any more then the decision making is going to be tricky.

rbsk12 · 21/03/2019 15:04

I notice Kings have started to make accommodation offers already as it's on a "first come first serve basis". I can understand how some students would be very concerned that only the very expensive London accommodation might be left by the time they firm/insure...

HostessTrolley · 21/03/2019 15:19

Yup x DD would prefer to be in/near London if possible but would be happy to go to any of her choices. But as you say, kings are already allocating accommodation, and her perception is that theirs is more expensive than ICL.

Imperial want AAA with A in chemistry/biology. Kings standard offer is AAA. Sheffield and Nottingham offers are AAA. Sheffield have expressed that AAB is unlikely to be refused, and accepting AAB is possible. School have predicted 3xA. She feels confident about chances of A in maths but not so sure about the other two.

If she got rejected from Notts and kings, life would be calmer!

rbsk12 · 21/03/2019 16:14

Kings' en-suites near Guy's campus range from around £200 plus per week right up to £319! Some of the accommodation is around 30 minutes away. I think my son prefers Birmingham and together with Nottingham was/is his 1st/2nd choice. Birmingham offer is the same as Kings - A* A A and Bristol want AAA. He is attending the offer holder day for Birmingham on Saturday but I can honestly say that he would actually be happy with any of his choices.

A few of his friends were also interviewed early on at Kings and have still not heard back either so yes a very similar experience to Nottingham.

I think he will firm Birmingham and insure Bristol as it would not make sense to insure Kings as the offer is identical. Not sure what will happen if he were to receive an offer from Nottingham!

As an aside, our friends' son did get accepted by Imperial with AAA on results day a couple of years ago so it's not over until it's over.

4catsham · 21/03/2019 19:29

Busy preparing for mocks here, and Liverpool news next week or ar least before end of the month. Thanks Monkey2001 for your detailed outline of possible options ..lots of food for thought and so far Dd is staying positive..focusing on revision and hoping for the grades that will keep options open. You are right of course she will be in good company if she decides to reapply next year,she seems quite keen on a gap year right now. I really think just having the Bio Chem offer has kept a bit of balance with the whole rejection thing helped by her love of all things Newcastle..but everything up in the air until after next week. Hope all going well with your Ds plans etc.

Thanks to you all for your kind words insights, tips information and general
encouragement. Would have completely discounted St .Georges due to the London/expense factor. Will have major re evaluation after mocks and news from Liverpool next week. I do think she will be genuinely shocked if she gets an offer. So bracing myself...

Good luck to all still waiting and trying to figure out the next step, making decisions etc. Last September and UCAS application deadline seems like years ago now!

ladsmum · 22/03/2019 00:16

Wow! Seems like having too many options isn't quite the dream you would imagine. Feeling slightly relieved that DS has just 2 offers - Sheffield and Norwich. Sheffield much closer to us in NE and he loved the "honest" feel of it. Offer holders day (with overnight) helped to refocus him and answered some other questions (re cars, joining swim team, casual work as a lifeguard, which accommodation etc). So this week he firmed it and has been able to book his accommodation - he chose a flat with a school friend studying physics, another incentive to focus on those 3As. He seems at peace with it all now which is good.
Good luck to all those DC still waiting.

Weaverspin · 22/03/2019 08:03

Ladsmum, it’s true. A hugely fortunate position to be in - my DD has 3 offers, and waiting on Liverpool. We’re thrilled and relieved, and also slightly panicked at having to choose between them.

She has her mock results now, and as soon as we hear from Liverpool it’s decision time. She wants to go to Nottingham or Sheffield, but Newcastle have dangled the carrot of an AAB offer, which is playing to The Fear of missing a grade.

We know there’s often leeway on the day, but the thought of missing out because of not getting the grades is awful.

If she’d had 1 or 2 offers - perfect! Decision made :)