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If you are in year 13 is it possible to have received an offer from a uni?

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Miladymilord · 16/10/2018 09:56

Not sure how the timeline works.

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ShalomJackie · 16/10/2018 12:56

LSE/Warwick/Durham's offers are usually higher than Oxford offers so are still likely to be a firm choice but for those who didn't get an Oxford offer so many candidates do get early offers from Durham etc.

claptrapwrap · 16/10/2018 13:51

DS applied for History, and received an offer from Bristol, literally within hours of sending off his UCAS application. Birmingham took a few weeks. As a generalisation, it tends to be the universities at the very very top that take longer to reply.

It also depends on the individual application, DS has friends who applied the same time who are waiting for offers that he holds.

Needmoresleep · 16/10/2018 15:03

Shalom,

Our observation is that Oxbridge is not always first preference. London offers a different learning experience, and the range of courses offered by specialist institutions such as LSE and Imperial can be far wider. DS' interest is in mathematical economics where LSE offers arguably the best regarded degree in Europe. Ditto people choose the Courtauld over Oxbridge for History of Art and so on. Whilst DD chose not to apply to Oxbridge for medicine as she wanted a more hands on course.

I struggle with this MN Oxbridge obsession.

BenjaminTheDonkey · 16/10/2018 15:05

Most students with applications in already will have applied for medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine and/or Oxford/Cambridge. The offers they're getting at this point are generally for their fifth or non-Oxbridge choices.

Universities are supposed to give equal consideration to all students who apply by the deadline, but in the days when there was a cap on numbers some courses were effectively already full before the deadline because too many offers had been made to early applicants. This is less likely to occur now there is no cap on any but medicine & dentistry places.

Everincreasingfrequency · 16/10/2018 15:26

"Our observation is that Oxbridge is not always first preference"

Yes, mine also - but it is fair to say that quite a lot of people in rl, not just mn, assume that if you are capable of getting in you must want to go there and it is rather head-tilt-worthy if you don't apply!

(Having said that it would be interesting to know how many people who would 'quite like' to go to Oxbridge are put off by the application process. I suspect it does tip the balance for some - and that may have implications for widening participation.)

Needmoresleep · 16/10/2018 15:47

Yes Ever. It is quite a London thing, especially for state schools kids, including ethnic minorities to stay at home and go to University in London. Though actually quite a lot from private schools do the same, especially those from countries without a tradition of leaving home for University. The LSE and Imperial are perceived as the equivalents of the Grandes Ecoles. I studied in London and did not apply to Oxbridge (because I was heartily sick of my girls boarding school and wanted to get as far away as possible) whereas DH went to Oxford. He was quietly disappointed that DS was not offered a place at Cambridge, whilst I (and DS) were less bothered. My observation is that Oxbridge graduates seem to attach more importance to their DC following in their footsteps whilst DS and I claim DH could not hack the maths required for LSE

But I assume it is the same in the North East or North West. It certainly is in Bournemouth where I spend a lot of time. Either the local University, or Southampton for the more academic. Oxbridge has a certain "not for the likes of us" "too complicated" or even "no fun" reputation.

Malbecfan · 16/10/2018 18:15

DD submitted a couple of weeks ago and has one interview lined up and an offer from Warwick (not higher than Cambridge and eminently achievable). Her self-esteem has soared.

Peaseblossom22 · 16/10/2018 19:26

It would also be interesting to know how many places also end up being taken by people who would actually prefer to be elsewhere but who feel that having got an offer they should accept .

In defence of Oxbridge / Durham etc though the London experience is not for everyone . It is quite ‘ hands off’ you do have to work harder possibly to get your social life off the ground, and keep it going. Some people like the idea of the College lifestyle and everything being on the doorstep.

We are going to have this conundrum with ds who is attracted to the London experience because of the academic and international vibe but also to the small tutorial groups of Oxbridge or St Andrews for eg

BubblesBuddy · 16/10/2018 21:51

My DD achieved small tutorial groups at Bristol by choosing options that were not popular! There are several ways of getting personal attention!

ifonly4 · 17/10/2018 10:46

As we all know there are offers coming out already. DD's school has given a deadline of this week for checking and hopefully early submission after that. We know DD will have to do a second ps now for two courses, and one course requires an essay as well. Better to be doing that before Christmas than Jan-Mar on the approach to spring. One of the unis who require a second ps, didn't give offers out for the course until late March.

Needmoresleep · 17/10/2018 11:13

Bubbles how did she know which first year options would be unpopular?

This is probably the big difference. DS had two or three compulsory courses in his first year reading economics at LSE, and he took an option from the maths department which was compulsory for maths students. So up to 350 in lectures and quite a lot in classes. However there were a lot of other things going on, like a voluntary lecture series involving PhD students giving papers, or the first years themselves giving presentations. He and his friends were also supported in doing some research which was shortlisted for some US UG conference. If they had won the LSE would have paid for them to go over. Plus Economics Society stuff, eg a trip to Cambridge to meet a Nobel Laureate, and a lot of public lectures at LSE and elsewhere. In his second year he was allowed to sit at the back in peer review meetings for PhD students, and in his third year he did some voluntary teaching on a SU organised "quants for quals" course. (Statistics for social scientists.) I have heard of others getting similar opportunities and access to world leading academics at both UCL and Imperial. (The research one was funny. A group of earnest first years went to see a Professor, who kindly opened his address book and they were soon hurtling all over the city and civil service interviewing some very senior people.)

So the big "but". It helps to be really absorbed in your subject, so fully able to take advantage of being in a top research institution which is 50% post graduate, and hugely international. And you have to have the confidence to put yourself forward. DS is now studying for a PhD in the US, and his technical preparation is as good as anyone's whilst the social networks formed at LSE proved valuable when he first arrived. I think there are similar advantages for those who arrive at a London University with clear career ambitions. Subject by subject I don't think there is much difference if any in career opportunities and starting salaries between Oxbridge and the more respected London Universities. The opportunities are there if you look for them, but you will not get the nurturing you might get at an Oxbridge college. DS had friends who would have been happier elsewhere.

Plus terms are longer. You still have to work very hard, but at least you have a bit more time to cover the ground.

Pease, we know a few who went to Oxbridge because they did not want to let parents down. DS and his closest friend were able to see immediate advantage in their Cambridge rejections as the courses at LSE and Imperial were preferable. (His friend similarly had amazing opportunities at Imperial, mainly gained through involvement in a subject related society.) One friend, who had preferred a course in London, dropped out of Oxford because there were so few teaching hours and the tutor had little interest in students.

I simply wanted to be in a big city after boarding school. One of DS' friends was the only ethnic minority in his Welsh Village and was attracted by London's diversity. A couple of DS' friends were first/second generation immigrant with no tradition of going away to University. DD had she been offered a place in London saw advantage in keeping up with her existing sports. Whilst others, often after a gap year, decided on London over other RG because they felt too old for the whole freshers/drinking culture stuff.

Our DC are very lucky to have such good choices.

NicoAndTheNiners · 19/10/2018 12:06

sounds like a big advantagte in submitting forms early then?

do they not just look at all the entries after the deadline

Depends on the uni. Where I worked previously we shortlisted, interviewed and offered places right from when the first forms came in in Oct. So by Jan we'd run out of places and were offering for the following year.

Where I work now I'm currently shortlisting and we start interviewing very soon. We will shortlist right up to the ucas deadline and finish interviews soon after that. Places won't be offered until everyone has been interviewed.

I have a Yr 13 dc of my own this year so am finding it hard from the other side. Her ucas form is ready to go but she hasn't pressed submit yet - I keep nagging her to do it now! I certainly think for some courses/unis the earlier the better.

beemail · 19/10/2018 18:21

I work in a school. Most of our applications are in before half term and many already have offers.
Many advantages to an early application

titchy · 19/10/2018 19:06

So by Jan we'd run out of places and were offering for the following year.

Thereby breaking your legal agreement with UCAS.....

MrsEricBana · 19/10/2018 19:33

One offer here. Ds thrilled, but not one of his "harder" choices as those require further steps.

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