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Someone is trying to ruin my life and it is working

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thisisthend · 20/12/2017 22:40

Someone made a phone to my university reporting me telling them I had been sectioned in the past. Now the university are threatening to throw me off the course. The questions at admission asked if I had a mental health condition or had been a service user of a local authority, and I answered 'no' because I do not have a diagnosed condition and did not think that question applied to me. Now the uni is treating me like a liar. I feel discriminated against. I keep telling them this but they won't accept what I am saying. This person has done this maliciously to ruin my life. I've been got the police involved saying it is malicious but the uni aren't interested. What can I do?

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HerSymphonyAndSong · 21/12/2017 17:07

Re placement locations wouldn’t you want them to be sensitive about sending someone to an area where they had recently (definition of “recently” may vary) been a service user?

Chaotica · 21/12/2017 17:15

I agree with NotSupposedtoBeHere. It is not discriminatory for a tutor to suggest counselling if they think that you need it. It is only a suggestion. Tutors should do that if they think a student would benefit; that is their job (in a pastoral role).

As others have said, I would imagine that the university are more concerned about your failure to tell them something on the form than the fact that you have had difficulties in the past.

titchy · 21/12/2017 17:15

It is your right to not bring up the past if it isn't affecting you now. You can't get thrown off the course for having poor present mental health let alone a long time ago. Why they are threatening you with this I do not know.

Grinch with respect that is categorically incorrect. On course like social work, nursing etc where there is a fitness to practice requirement set by the professional body, the university is legally obliged to satisfy itself that students meet that requirement.

Bluntness100 · 21/12/2017 17:16

Ok take a deep breath. And calm down, lots of different issues going on

Issue no 1 someone acted maliciously. Irrelevant right now why they did it. Let it go and deal with it later. What they said was the truth.

Issue no 2. You were sectioned, you did not think thr question applied to you. Now you know it did. As such explain it was an error in understanding on your part and be honest. Do not be angry. You made a mistake. You can't go back and fix it so now you need to go forward and understand the implications.

Issue no 3. Why do they uni think you need counselling now? What in your behaviour is causing rhem to think this? Can you address that?

hiyasminitsme · 21/12/2017 17:19

It is your right to not bring up the past if it isn't affecting you now

not necessarily, for certain courses and careers.

sinceyouask · 21/12/2017 17:25

Thanks for the replies. The course is social work. I was sectioned six years ago for attempted suicide, so does not have relevance now and I was not diagnosed with anything.

TBH, I doubt it's the fact that you were once detained under the MHA or previously attempted suicide that is the issue so much as the fact that you did not disclose it. When I applied to do the MA SW, I disclosed past mental health problems: all that happened was I had an extra appointment with Occupational Health who cleared me as suitable for the course.

You're very clear that as you understand it, you did not lie, because you have not been diagnosed with a mental health condition. I imagine the uni are coming at it from the perspective that it was lying by omission. You don't have a diagnosis, but a significant past suicide attempt and detention under the MHA is very relevant information that you should have disclosed- and after disclosing you could have demonstrated that the issues you were dealing with at the time are no longer impacting on you, and that they have no bearing on your ability to safely practice.

Although they don't register students, the HCPC do provide guidance- have you looked at that? The university may refer to the guidance on conduct and ethics, particularly "You should provide, as soon as possible, any important information about your conduct, competence or health to your education provider and practice placement provider." The uni are likely to regard the fact that you were detained under section following an attempt to kill yourself as important information about your health.

If you have student membership of BASW or Unison or another union, make use of it and get their support in dealing with this.

TheWildRumpyPumpus · 21/12/2017 17:32

OP, when you were sectioned for your suicide attempt did you not have any follow up treatment via the GP or the outpatient mental health team afterwards? That in itself would have made you a service user of the LA.

Do you have any idea who may have alerted the university?

thegrinchreaper · 21/12/2017 17:54

My statement is not incorrect.

thisisthend · 21/12/2017 18:11

My tutor said 'you need counselling' which I found discriminatory as he could have said something less offensive such as 'counselling might be beneficial for you.' He may have said this as I was called into the meeting without prior notice of what it was about, and I was under the impression it was something informal, so I started crying my eyes out in shock when they told me which obviously only looks bad.

They told me the date 6th June, they received the call. What appalls me is that they waited until October 24th, after I started the course in September 4th, to tell me. They let me give up my job and invest considerable time and money in this course, when they could have let me know prior to starting that someone had told them this information and that there was a chance i would get kicked off. Now I am having to do uni work and revise for my exams, as well as have my 2nd placement delayed because of all this. They told me they wanted to wait to see the DBS come back prior to making enquiries, but that makes no sense since my DBS came back clear. They told me half way through my first placement they might have to suspend it and told my supervisor all my past health history causing me great embarrassment. They said they were doing this to 'protect me and others' but that makes no sense at all because why did they even let me start the course if they have known this since June?

I know exactly who made the call. It was a relative who I had an argument with and who threatened to leave my horses out onto a main road, 'kick my a**' and sent me abusive texts. This relative has obviously acted maliciously. I have told the police about this but the uni just isn't bothered. I'm at a loss what to do. The uni has taken this to the third stage now and it looks pretty conclusive that they are going to chuck me off the course. I don't know why though, I keep apologising and telling them it was an honest mistake. They won't believe me. I'm devastated because I worked so hard to get here.

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PurpleDaisies · 21/12/2017 18:16

My tutor said 'you need counselling' which I found discriminatory as he could have said something less offensive such as 'counselling might be beneficial for you.'

I’m confused about what you think is “discriminatory”. Is it offensive to tell someone they need to seek counselling? It sounds like you were quite emotional in the meeting and they were looking out for you rather than trying to upset you.

thisisthend · 21/12/2017 18:18

I found it discriminatory because when someone who you barely know, which in the case with my tutor, told me 'you need counselling' now in the present, just because I've had past problems, there is a lot of judgement and assumption in that sentence. I have not had contact with mental health services in 6 years and have been through 2 years of college, and 3 years of uni since then and been in great mental health, so why should I need counselling just because of my past?

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thegrinchreaper · 21/12/2017 18:23

This has really angered me on your behalf. Is there any wonder there is such a stigma attached to mental health when it's used against you when you try to better your own life and help others? This is discrimination and it's not acceptable. If you can do the work, if your marks are up to scratch, if you're coping, or even if you need help coping, there is no reason why you can't continue with the degree.
I have one friend who was doing social work who had a host of illnesses including his mental health which was at crisis point at various times and he had full access to tools to help him succeed. I don't know what his career has in store but he got the degree.
I know of someone who had a breakdown quite recently, who is taking steps to work as a mental health nurse.
I know ex addicts working in the substance abuse sector.
There are equality and disability laws which apply to everyone.
Personally I would not have ticked the box if it didn't apply to me, and cite my human rights if challenged.

HerSymphonyAndSong · 21/12/2017 19:01

It’s not really the MH aspect that they would be concerned with in this instance (I work with HCP students and many are managing health problems at the same time, including MH), but the lack of disclosure. However if you can make a case for not having believed that the question applied to you then that’s as may be.

You should have received a copy of the policy that they are using if you believe they are going to withdraw you from the course. Is it fitness to practice? You do not sound very clear about the process (you should be - it should be transparent and fair and you should have been fully informed) and if they are not sticking to it then it favours you. You need to make sure you are fully apprised of the university’s regulations. You would also do well to contact the dean of students, the student union and/or any student professional bodies you may be a member of for support

HerSymphonyAndSong · 21/12/2017 19:01

*practise

titchy · 21/12/2017 19:09

Grinch - I am correct. Certain professions need someone to be fit to practice. That doesn't mean they're discriminated against, or that someone with disabilities or MH issues cannot do those roles, just that an independent panel needs to ensure that the person is fit enough to carry out the role in a way that neither affects the service user or the person themselves.

To do otherwise would be completely irresponsible.

OP has had sensible advice - her student union could probably help navigate the university processes. But above all she needs to comply, and if that means seeing the university counsellor or occupational health so be it.

thegrinchreaper · 21/12/2017 19:19

That's different to what you disagreed with me about. You said I was incorrect to say she could be thrown off the course for having been unwell in the past.
OP hasn't said she's been found unfit to practise.

shakeyourcaboose · 21/12/2017 19:49

If you're England/wales have a look at the GSCC and Scotland SSSC social work registration bodies. As a student sw you should be registered with them, they should be able to give advice/guidance?

titchy · 21/12/2017 19:56

It ISN'T her right to not have past issues not brought up. OP doesn't get to decide whether past issues are affecting her or not. An independent panel makes that decision.

I didn't say she could be thrown off the course for past issues. Just that they must first be assessed. Plenty of people with MH issues disabilities etc practice nursing, SW etc.

titchy · 21/12/2017 19:57

OP hasn't been assessed as she didn't make any disclosure - that's the problem.

greendale17 · 21/12/2017 20:00

Some of you are saying that I did lie, but honestly I did not. I really did not think that question applied to me.

You did lie. I find it hard to believe that you didn’t think the question applied to you considering that you are studying a social work degree.

Ragusa · 21/12/2017 20:04

I appreciate the malicious relative issue must be awful but you really need to forget about the source of the notification and address how you are going to proceed from here.

Social work requires excellent judgement including on the issue of when to disclose things, and to who.

If you honestly didn't have a.moment of hesitation when answering the question about MH issues then you have done nothing wrong. You can only apologise and move on. If you did realise it might be a problem but still ticked 'no' then ... well, you will know that is wrong.

sinceyouask · 22/12/2017 10:35

@shakeyourcaboose the GSCC doesn't exist any more, social workers in England areally currently regulated by the HCPC and for whatever reason, students don't register with them. And we're having a whole new regulator next year apparently. Can't quite work out why they got rid of the GSCC only to set up an entirely new quango a few years later but I don't suppose much this government (or the two before it) does makes sense.

sinceyouask · 22/12/2017 10:37

*are, not areally

Coconutspongexo · 22/12/2017 10:51

The questions on these forms are normally ‘have you ever had mental health issues’ (can’t remember the wording exactly) which attempting suicide is so you did lie.

I think you’re going to need to get a letter off your GP and give this to the University. I think it is possible that they can kick you off the course as i know when starting my course one of the conditions of my place was being fit to practice deemed by my occupational health form and appointment.
Not sure if it’s different for social work though?

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 22/12/2017 11:02

If the university had the call in June, why act in October? If they decide the OP is not fit to practise and do not allow her to continue with the course they have caused her serious financial problems (give up job, possibly incur debt re fees).