Proud of our dcs for voting

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Did you get the vibes that something would happen with the student votes? I'm so proud that our dcs engaged, went and voted, and can see direct results. Ds told me about his facebook feed going mad with his Labour friends posting things. It's only now I realise the significance of that action. Whatever we voted ourselves, we surely must be pleased that this generation has woken up to the importance of engaging in democracy. Ds was frustrated as his half of the Warwick Uni campus was safe Conservative (the other half is South Coventry and was Labour already), but all the students renting in Leamington took down the Conservative MP there. And as for Canterbury. Amazing.

Er....nomore enlightend....

I mean Tory policies will continue, because they won the election, and their policies are austerity, and that hits the young and poor. Or do you think they don't.

Plus, all the chaos will hit the economy too, so no respite there...

Apart from thinking that the Tories are doomed unless they significantly

soften their stance, I don't see that the student body we're talking about is the particular butt of austerity measures.

Goodbyestranger-
Actually, my DCs friends 'of Jewish heritage' or, as we say, just 'Jewish' were pretty unanimous in NOT voting Labour. It really doesn't matter to us what sweeties Corbyn promised to dole out when our physical safety is at risk. Since the election, 3 Jewish shops have been burnt down. The antisemites get awfully brave when they think they have approval from the top.

There's no quarrel about anti semitism here horsemadmom but it's never been confined to a single political party. I used the term 'of Jewish heritage' very precisely, not to be pompous but because there are many, many young people with Jewish grandparents or great grandparents now voting, who understand the issues on a more personal level than many but who aren't practising Jews, so wouldn't claim to be 'Jewish'. I expect that in the nature of things your DC will number many among their friends, even if those friends are not 'obviously' Jewish.

The shop thing is revolting horsemadmom.

This is how it starts, Goodbyestranger.
What is happening in the Labour Party is different and much more pervasive and insidious than the isolated dinner party antisemitism that occurred in other parties in the past. The LibDems have made great progress stamping out their two big miscreants and Thatcher got rid of the genteel version left over from Mosley.
What we have now are people at the heart of the Labour leadership who are antisemitic.
Before anyone attempts to parse this with some Goysplaining about the supposed difference between antisemitism and antizionism, ask yourself this-
If a politician repeatedly shared a platform with the EDL or went to KKK rallies or donated to charities whose aim was to support violent racist gangs and then said that they did it because they 'talk to people they don't agree with' or 'called them FRIENDS as a form of diplomatic language', you would label them a racist. We judge people by the company they keep and by that measure.....
Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnel are antisemites.

I'm not illiterate on this stuff horsemadmom, I simply said that plenty of young people will have voted Labour despite the issues over antisemitism because they consider the alternative worse. That doesn't amount to condoning the problem.

This should be a red line for anyone with an ounce of morality.

We are Jewish. Neither of my DCs would vote for Corbyn and are pretty nauseous at the thought that some of their friends did.

I couldn't agree with all your comments more. This country will not be a pretty place to be jewish or of "jewish heritage" if Corbyn is in power. I would be horrified if my children voted for him and his followers. I've voted Labour every election over the last 25 years but this time I voted against all my instincts because this man is not a friend to the jews.

What other term would you use for second or third generation youngsters who aren't practising Jews but whose parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc were? If you can think of a better term, by all means help me out.

I'm not horrified: those of my DC who voted Labour didn't vote for antisemitism they voted for the Labour Party's current policies and against those of the Conservatives. Equally, the DC who voted in a different way didn't vote that way to register abhorrence at antisemitism. Nevertheless, they're all acutely aware of the issues around this thing but it isn't the dominating issue to them, however reprehensible and they're not alone.

It's quite dubious to slag off everyone who voted Labour as not having an ounce of morality....

Anyhow, I'll leave you to it.

I don't get the proud of young people for voting thing the same as I don't get blaming young people for how they voted (saying they were bribed etc).
horsemadmom So sorry to hear that . It does seem to have been a forgotten issue.

proud to mess up our country and government to get their own way
I would be 'proud' if they had thought about what they were doing before marking their little 'x's in the polling booth.
I am still incensed that 'students' - no-one else just students - who pay no council tax, or tax, or NI can choose where they vote when no-one else can arbitrarily vote in a certain constituency to further their own aims without caring that in 3 years they will not live in that constituency
Seems very discriminatory to me and I despise the labour party for openly seeking to disrupt democracy in this way -
if the students really were for labour and genuinely voted in a socially aware way rather than for the free fees I would be proud of them but not otherwise

this is what I mean by disrupting the government of this country
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/theresa-may-just-400-votes-short-majority/
those marginals made all the differance and students would have made a big difference with the tactical voting.

Ollie I get what you mean. I think if I were in Cantebury I would be pretty pissed that students who live their for 3-4 years can have such an impact on the MP that is elected. But hey ho that is democracy.

Also I challenge anyone to convince me that in Cantebury the increased student vote was for anything other than free tuition. No problem with that but at least own it.

There have been some great interviews with the single mum new Labour MP in Canterbury. She came over as having her finger on the pulse, having tramped the streets talking to people who have lost benefits and suffered from the extra room tax costs, for example, in contrast to the guy who lost who apparently didn't bother to campaign much - he's been an MP for 30 years or so, has been knighted and had a brief career in finance before entering politics. Way out of touch, so it seems!

Not sure that proud is the word I'd use. Are you proud of the fact they voted or proud that they voted for the party you clearly support?

I thought I made it clear I was proud that our dcs were engaging in democracy regardless of where they placed their votes. I voted LD, so did dh, so did ds (after a brief wobble about abandoning the Greens, he tells me).

What other term would you use for second or third generation youngsters who aren't practising Jews but whose parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc were? If you can think of a better term, by all means help me out.

If their mother, maternal grandparents, maternal great grandparents are jewish then they're jewish even if they don't practice. You don't choose to be jewish, you just are, even if you never practice. Hitler defined you as jewish if you had one jewish grandparent.

Yes of course I understand that, doesn't everyone?

However, for those young people whose parents etc weren't raised as Jewish it's not ok to my mind for them to describe themselves as Jewish. It's a courtesy thing to those who practise their faith.

I dont agree, it's intrinsic in you to be Jewish. I barely practise, I have no interest in the religious side, I made a decision a few years ago that I don't go to synagogue anymore apart from for other people's celebrations but every part of my soul is Jewish, it's who I am. I think that if those who aren't raised in the faith feel strongly enough about it to call themselves Jewish and to show interest and support for the community if they have a maternal Jewish parent or grandparent then that's to be embraced

Could I just add the point that had all the youth-vote turned out for Brexit and we had a remain vote, then all the youth-vote turned out for Corbyn and he had actually gained a majority, we would then be a a position where any students from the EU would be eligible for a free university education in this country, no doubt taking up many places that would then not be available to UK young people.

So maybe have a think about that.

we would then be a a position where any students from the EU would be eligible for a free university education in this country, no doubt taking up many places that would then not be available to UK young people

University places aren't limited. Some courses are having to close because they are no longer viable, due to the decrease in student applications this year. It's likely that a number of universities will be severely financially affected by the loss of EU students in years to come, resulting in job losses, potential closures of courses/whole universities etc.

Maybe it would be a good idea to look up some facts about universities.

University places aren't limited?

Maybe it would be a good idea to look up some facts about what the word limited means.