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Help mentoring a dentistry applicant

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Powergower · 04/09/2016 18:58

I have been involved with mentoring a young student for a few years. He comes from a deprived background and has had a difficult childhood. He achieved good gcse grades (3a* 2 a 5 b). He obtained bbb at AS year 1. He is predicted AAA for next year although I'm not sure how this is worked out by his (failing) school.

He has his heart set on studying dentistry. He had found it very difficult to obtain any work experience but has completed a 5 day placement shadowing a gp, works on a sat doing admin for a research company, heads up a young community group and mentors other young people from his estate.

He has made some enquiries and informs he is eligible for a few access to medicine/dentistry schemes at unis including Leeds and Sheffield. My work with him has been to support him through revision, help with cv, provide emotional support and motivation and discuss higher education. He will be the very first in his family going on to uni.

He is sitting his ukcat exam next week. Again he has used his initiative and managed to obtain a bursary to cover the cost of this exam. I am looking for any parents of dentist students/ students to advise me/him about how best to apply for dentistry. He lacks confidence and worried about the way he speaks and presents himself. We have worked on confidence building but it is difficult. What kind of ukcat score will he need to be in with a shot at interview? Can he apply to more than one access scheme?

With his gcse's being what they are will he still have a shot at dentistry? Is there anyone who can advise about what to put on his PS and any other tips?

I am constantly amazed at his ability to break down barriers and aim high and don't want to discourage him as I know he is very bright and enterprising. But from initial research it seems almost impossible to get a place at uni to study dentistry.

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Kr1stina · 07/09/2016 11:40

some community dental clinics will take school pupils on work shadowing when they have dental students in. So you might have better luck there, from October through to the Spring . They avoid summer term when the undergraduates have exams .

InformalRoman · 07/09/2016 12:00

May I suggest having a look at the Imperial College guide to writing a personal statement:

wwwf.imperial.ac.uk/imedia/content/view/1738/how-to-write-an-excellent-personal-statement

The presenter is one of the medicine admissions tutors, and it's full of useful tips and it's entertaining to watch, which always helps.

Powergower · 07/09/2016 12:02

Kristina yes he has rung around everywhere and will keep trying.

Just to clarify , it's not my dd who I'm helping it's a young man who I'm mentoring as part of a community project working with kids from massively deprived areas access HE.

I'll get him to check the dental school. Good idea.

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RedHelenB · 07/09/2016 12:48

Yes she is. I was humanities so this is all very new to me too. Leeds seemed very positive so hoping her BMAT goes well. Was his situational judgement score good?

Powergower · 07/09/2016 13:55

He meconium being in band 1 for sj but was very upset about his ukcat. Is a band 1 in sj going to make any difference do you think?

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RedHelenB · 07/09/2016 14:29

That's definitely a positive so he should be happy with that. Not sure how much weighing it gets though.

Powergower · 07/09/2016 14:56

Yes there's no info online about weighting for sj banding. The only info is that low ukcat overall scores will automatically preclude toy from applying to most ukcat unis.

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Kr1stina · 07/09/2016 15:40

Sorry power, I was confused between Reds DD and your mentee.

Powergower · 07/09/2016 16:27

No problem kr1stina. The advice is great regardless.

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Powergower · 07/09/2016 16:29

Wow that's great thanks chuckie!

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Chuckie88 · 07/09/2016 16:41

Power. Do you need similar for Leeds BMAT scoring?

Powergower · 07/09/2016 17:06

Yes if you have it chuckie? There's so much info to pass on to my mentee so anything already in tables like the ukcat chart is massively helpful.

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Chuckie88 · 07/09/2016 19:33

The is nothing specific re how dentistry course uses BMAT score but the dentistry school admissions policy has the following text.

All applicants for the Dental Surgery programme are required to sit for the BMAT in November each year. The current use of the test is to take the top ranked applicants and include them in the selection for interview. We do not have a cut off score, and we do not currently use the test in any other way, except as a selection tool to select for interview. The BMAT is not required for the BSc in Dental Hygiene & Dental Therapy degree. Following scoring, all scored applications are collated and the proportion of applicants scoring the highest will normally be invited for interview. The proportion invited for interview will be calculated from previous years’ intake statistics, but typically no more than 300 applicants will be interviewed. Those applications scoring less than those invited for interview will be rejected at this stage.

For what it's worth, the way medicine use BMAT is on this page.

Sorry I don't have any more info for you.

medhealth.leeds.ac.uk/info/202/applying_for_the_mbchb/84/the_selection_process/5

Powergower · 07/09/2016 19:48

Chuckie you have been a great source of help so please don't apologise. My mentee is Curbridge compiling a list of possible unis which will give him a good chance and your info has helped in the compilation. It does seem med and dental surges really do have to jump through so many hoops with no guarantee of an interview let alone a place.

I mentored a young girl last year and she applied for optom and everything was so so much more straightforward and she secured offers at 2 unis very easily. I suppose the tough procedure for medics ensures that only the very very best and most committed survive.

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Powergower · 07/09/2016 19:49

Apologies for fat finger typos in my posts!

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Horsemad · 07/09/2016 20:23

Can't help sorry but willing him on, he deserves to do well considering the barriers he has overcome.

Let us know how he gets on.

Blogwoman · 08/09/2016 14:38

I really hope your young mentee is rewarded for his tenacity and hard work. My daughter also found having a brace a game changer which has set her on the path to a dental therapy and hygiene degree - not going to get the grades for dentistry and it looks a great option. I've been told by a senior dentist that it's growth area too. I think this is a very reasonable motivation for wanting to be a dental professional.
Just thought it worth mentioning a couple of free resources which could help your student. Although it's very close to his application date, it could be something to talk about if he's interviewed and worth looking at when can. The first is a blogging community by and for students with an interest in health evidence - medicine, dentistry and beyond. It's called Students for Best Evidence, on Twitter @Students4BE and website www.students4bestevidence.net He could register, read blogs and consider writing one at some point. Another evidence-based blog site he could look at, and talk about, is The Dental Elf www.nationalelfservice.net/dentistry/ Finally, he would definitely get 'points' for mentioning Cochrane and they have an Oral Health Group, who publish blogs about some of their dental evidence: cochraneohg.wordpress.com I hope this is helpful and very best of luck

Powergower · 08/09/2016 16:40

Oh thank you for your help blog woman. I will be passing all the information on. Good luck to your daughter too.

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