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Medicine Applications 2017

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adski · 08/08/2016 14:11

As UKCAT season is in full swing and I can't find a thread anywhere else I thought I'd start this off. This is for parents of children looking to apply for Medicine at University with courses starting in 2017. UCAS application is only a couple of months away. It is hard to watch our kids put themselves through so much to work in the hardest profession imaginable and I thought it might be useful to start some sort of discussion here.

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Abra1d · 02/07/2017 16:05

It's hard when you see them work so hard but feel there're things they and you can not control.

HMW9793 · 04/07/2017 11:12

Hello to the mothers of Cambridge Pre-U sitters. This was me a couple of years ago. DS missed his medicine offer with an appalling chemistry practical which brought down his grade. His school wrote to the university immediately, to no avail. Pre-Us are not generally understood except by Oxbridge. With encouragement from peteneras (huge congratulations to your DS ) he did A levels from scratch in year in different subjects ( to prove if only to himself that they were easier) and in the chemistry. He had 3 interviews and offers and has completed his first year. His first year exams results were excellent and he was well and truly prepared for the science heavy content first year as his study was that much broader having sat Pre-U. I understand that it may not be possible to take another year to do A levels but just to say there are options if it goes wrong.

user1482340609 · 04/07/2017 18:14

HMW thank you, that's useful to know that it's possible to take A level chemistry on top of pre U. Not sure if that's what my Dc would choose to do, but it's an option x

HMW9793 · 05/07/2017 12:09

Its counted as a re-take, but since there was no option to re-sit Pre-Us he did the A level.

Arrowminta · 06/07/2017 22:22

I've come out of lurkdom as I recognised a name from 6 years ago when my DC was applying to medicine so thought I'd rejoin.

DD is now in her final year and has done really well. We went through the rollercoaster for 2012 entry although DD did an access year. It was through Mumsnet that we found out about these opportunities.

It's a long slog for the students (and parents) but so worth it and I'm really pleased to read that many of the posters DC's get an offer in the end.

goodbyestranger · 08/07/2017 22:52

Hello Arrowminta - my name is different from 2012 too but it's great to hear news of your DD!

Ness1234 · 01/08/2017 13:57

As results day is looming, I was wondering if there was any advice on what to do if their grades aren't achieved, I hate to be negative but I'm pretty worried as my DD had a lack of teachers in two of her subjects. I've looked at comments on The Student room but doing another degree for three years will cost both in time and money!

RedHelenB · 01/08/2017 14:10

First thing ring their firm and chosen uni . Then ring round all the others. This in case of A * A B or A A B. Lower than that I think you'd struggle. Get your results asap so you can begin asap. If that fails maybe resit BUT again time will be of the essence as UKCAT will need to be booked .

peteneras · 04/08/2017 02:34

A timely posting here at this time of year when A-level results are imminent and when Medicine applicants 2017 are about to embark and invest the next 5 or 6 years of their lives beginning this autumn in their pursuit to qualify as a doctor. Like I mentioned in my last posting on this thread, I thought 2017 was going to be a very special and auspicious year (for the family). Indeed it turned out to be a momentous year!

But firstly, a very sincere Thank You to Leeds2, adski and alreadytaken for your congratulatory messages. And to HMW9793, yes I do remember you and I can’t begin to tell you how mightily pleased I am to hear of your son’s eventual success after all the predicaments you’d been to. Thank you for updating us and your kind congratulatory message.

Not only did DS pass his MBBS degree but he pass with Distinction! This latest qualification comes as an addition to the BSc 1st Class (Hons) he’d already achieved in his intercalated year some 18 months earlier. So guys, a 6-year long medicine course is a very long one but believe me, it will soon pass and in the end, it’s definitely well worth it. And what’s more, at the ripe old age of only 24, DS is, to all intents and purposes, still only a spring chicken but already has effectively three fantastic degrees in the bag! Even as I write this message now he’s already begun working as a FY1 doctor at a NHS hospital in a very much sought after and one of the ‘hardest to get’ deaneries for new foundation doctors. It does seem like only yesterday that he’d finished his Finals exams (May/June) and I should have got the message then that he’d done well as I had never heard him whistling away so cheerfully in everything that he did, cooking, bathing, relaxing, etc.

I’ve been advised by people in the profession that passing a medicine degree with distinction is a rare achievement (probably top decile) because unlike other university academic degrees, a medicine degree is a professional and an unclassified degree, i.e. you either pass or you fail – there’s no classification into 1st, 2nd or 3rd Class, etc. Also, a pass mark in medicine usually exceeds 50 marks - more like 60 marks in some top medical schools – which is a great many marks more than the usual 40 marks as in other degrees.

In order to stand a chance to gain a distinction in the Finals, a medic student must pass all his/her previous years’ medicine exams at the first attempt and with marks at ‘distinction’ level or at least with very high merits plus distinctions. Please be under no illusions that medical schools have no qualms in failing anyone even by ONE mark or in their Final Year exams if (s)he is “not up to scratch” at any point throughout the whole duration of the course.

From a quick ballpark head count figure in this year’s pass list at DS’s medical school, I note that the total number of students that graduated amount to only (appx) 90% against a known intake number from 6 years ago which suggest to me that about 10% of students had discontinued with the programme for one reason or other at some point throughout the duration of the course.

Not affecting medic freshies for now but I’d like to conclude by saying a word or two about the Foundation Programme after medical schools. It is important that you are aware right from the onset that your performance (or the lack of it) throughout the entire duration of your course has a direct bearing firstly, on the degree you get or don’t get; and secondly, will determine which deanery in the UK that you’ll be finally sent to as you’d be competing directly with your medic peers from the whole of the UK for preferred hospitals/jobs. I wish you all success in meeting your UCAS offer(s) on the 17th instant and a great time at medical school.

Needmoresleep · 04/08/2017 10:36

Congratulations from me as well. You, and others, gave me some brilliant help a couple of years ago when DD and the family as a whole were really struggling, and completing her UCAS application felt like a further mountain. And got unfairly flamed for your efforts.

DD has been warned several times by students and junior doctors, that getting the place is only the start. It will get harder. Getting through the exams, building a cv so you are in line for a preferred placement, etc. We are not a medical family,and it's really for DD, but it is useful to know what lies ahead. For example, if she is interested, should we encourage her to intercalate?

It is also nice to hear that your son has done so well in London. I think yours, like mine, missed a Cambridge offer. A number of people regularly post about the negatives of studying in London. DS (economics not medicine) has thrived, will be staying on to take a Masters and looks as if he has landed some paid research assistant work to help him through. He has no regrets at all. I am similarly hoping that DDs decision not to apply to Oxbridge from medicine, assuming she enjoys her course and does well, will again have no impact.

tripetmumof4 · 13/08/2017 17:47

Just noticed St George's has medicine in clearing again .

Kr1stina · 13/08/2017 23:21

Just popping in to say that DD got the grades she needed and is off to her first choice uni in three weeks.

Good luck to all your children for this week .

Needmoresleep · 14/08/2017 07:25

Congratulations!

Kr1stina · 14/08/2017 17:12

Thank you. Hopefully there will be many more congratulations flying around later this week.

Fingers crossed for all your children. Remember to come here and update the thread with all your good news .

Needmoresleep · 15/08/2017 00:32

Liverpool is apparently also in clearing.

alreadytaken · 16/08/2017 10:15

needmoresleep look at the application process for foundation posts. Having a BSc gets you a few extra points during the allocation process. However half the points come from the SJT sjt.foundationprogramme.nhs.uk/ and that's one of those tests where the outcome can sometimes be surprising. I dont know if Oxbridge students do any better than average on that - I do know that one of the first med applicants I was asked to help did not apply to Oxbridge, came in the top ten in the country on the SJT, did well at medical school and had their choice of deanery. The extra year can be seen as a bit of a break (tends to be seen as easier than a medicine year), an opportunity to decide if academic medicine is for you or a way into a different career if you are having doubts about medicine.

Obviously another year comes at a cost for parents but medicine is one degree where the likelihood of repaying the full amount borrowed is small, a 6th year doesnt change repayments for most students. You might want to rethink any decision to pay fees for someone on a 5 or 6 year course. Having said that I'm aware of some newly qualified doctors in London who do locum work for a year to pay off debts.

The discontinuation rate varies between medical schools and is affected by those who repeat a year. At some schools that isnt unusual and all parent should plan on funding 6 years, if you dont need to it's a bonus. The discontinuation rate is lower in those with higher grades, that's why medical schools ask for such high grades.

There are plenty of opportunities to start building an impressive cv while at medical school and the more organised students get the pick of those opportunities. It is never too early to start thinking about the Foundation years, although the early years are best spent trying out as much as possible to aid specialty choice.

goodbyestranger · 16/08/2017 12:33

alreadytaken this is seriously not pointed but (and I've said it before) apparently, according to Oxford tutors, Oxford medics do particularly well - generally - on that test but for some reason Cambridge medics don't stand out in the same way. Not that Cambridge medics as a whole seem to do badly, just that they don't do significantly better than other places year on year. I've wondered why that is but don't know enough about the teaching at the respective unis to hazard even the vaguest of guesses.

Needmoresleep · 16/08/2017 14:38

Thank you. The focus in the first year will be, inevitably, getting through the first year. With the expectation that any ideas/ambitions she has now will change significantly over the next few years.

The important thing will be, as with every other stage, is keeping doors open. Who knows whether she will end up in academic medicine or as a rural GP or something else altogether. And where. I have a slightly selfish interest in hoping she is able to return to London should she chose. I met someone recently, from a very well regarded medical school, who had only applied for London FYI posts and had not got anything. She had not realised how competitive they are.

The weighting given to SJT is also interesting. These were pretty unpredictable at UKCAT stage, including the odd very bizarre result.

And thank you for your suggestions around funding. DD is muttering about intercalating in the US Hmm

Abra1d · 16/08/2017 20:17

So far Liverpool, Bristol, Birmingham and St George's in clearing.

goodbyestranger · 16/08/2017 20:38

Bristol? Seriously?

Abra1d · 16/08/2017 20:43

Apparently. My daughter has a firm offer at Birmingham and is worried because she thinks lots of people have missed offers. But it could mean anything in a year like this with new A levels. Perhaps more of the insured offers got into their firms? Who knows.Confused

Abra1d · 16/08/2017 21:57

But she says Bristol and Birmingham were on and then off clearing. Why would this happen? Computer glitch?

Abra1d · 17/08/2017 07:36

Daughter has just got into Birmingham. We don't know her actual A level results yet.

Fingers crossed for everyone else's children!

tripetmumof4 · 17/08/2017 07:57

She's in , don't know grades yet 😀

Abra1d · 17/08/2017 08:05

Fantastic!

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