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Does anyone have experience of applying to LSE?

42 replies

lawlawlaw · 04/04/2016 23:34

My daughter is seriously considering applying to the LSE for International History.
That being that she gets the AS results of course haha.

Does anyone here have any experience applying there?
I've been told that it's ruthless.

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bojorojo · 10/04/2016 19:41

I am not sure that anecdotal evidence from my DD is so far away from the actual experiences posted on here. She did, after all, know several students who went there, not just a single DS or DD. It was a matter of fact that they were overseas students and the stats reported here on the student body tend to support the view that overseas students feature highly. That is not to say there is anything wrong with that but we have not perpetuated a stereotypical myth. Some students may want to know the mix of the student body and it may affect their choice.

We only discussed LSE because the young person we know had not done FM. We discussed LSE with his aunt who was very disappointed, at the time, with the rejection. As he is heavily into clubbing at his current university, we wondered if LSE would have been a good choice. That was all.

Needmoresleep · 10/04/2016 19:52

bojorojo

  1. you seemed to suggest that your DD only knew Chinese overseas students at the LSE. They may be a disproportionately large group at LSE compared with other Univerisites, but they are still a relatively small subset of the overall student population at LSE. Plus you cannot be sure that the group your DD is friendly with is even representative of Chinese students at LSE.

There seem to be a whole crop of "London" posts at the moment, with a clear divide between those whose Great-uncle's dog attended back in the 50's and those who have DC there now. Interestingly the latter group is far more positive.

  1. I assume you missed this. www.theguardian.com/education/2014/dec/07/london-school-of-economics-best-university-nightlife

The Saw Swee Hock Centre has made a huge difference to the campus. Friday nioghts are good. Good enough for London sixth formers to try to sneak in. (Though of no interest to DS!)

Needmoresleep · 10/04/2016 19:56

And approval from Tatler

www.tatler.com/news/articles/october-2015/the-tatler-university-guide---lse

They have it right in that the Athletics Union is an influential pat of student life for those students who want that sort of student life.

bojorojo · 10/04/2016 20:11

I currently have a DD attending a university in London. Reasonably positive about London but not a cheerleader for it either! As I have constantly said, choose the university with your eyes open and know what you want. There are pros and cons to nearly every university and LSE is no different but saying the pros and cons cannot be discussed by anyone other than the parent of a current student is an attempt at censorship and rather shortsighted. Some other people may have views that are very insightful and helpful, but do not adhere to your rules and cheerleading qualities, needmore - thankfully we are all different!

whatwouldrondo · 10/04/2016 21:13

bojo I tend to agree with Needmore that some of your anecdotal evidence via your DDs has verged on misinformation eg on living costs and bursaries,which might actually discourage students for whom London universities would give them a good experience.

Anecdote and a certain subjectivity are fine as long as they are explicit.

When it comes to factual information eg on the parental income that qualifies a student for a bursary perhaps be clear that in your opinion bursaries are "only for the very poorest" because you perceive an income of £43k to be very poor. Hmm

BoboChic · 11/04/2016 09:24

...the family may have focused their ambitions on the young princling studying Economics at LSE . It has the most applications of any course at any university.

Do you have a link for that statistic? It would come in very handy when I try to break it to French students that focusing solely on Economics at LSE and being terrifically disappointed when they don't get an offer is not a wise course!

whatwouldrondo · 11/04/2016 09:43

I am sorry, it was a statistic that came up in a PowerPoint in an admissions tutor's advice session for a mentoring charity. He had much the same aim as you!

bojorojo · 11/04/2016 09:57

I have not mentioned anything about a bursary! EVER. Are you confusing me with someone else? What gives anyone the "right" to tell me my information is incorrect? Both my DD are living as students in London at the moment. They have views and their views are JUST AS VALID AS YOURS! They are no more anecdotal than your views as influenced by your DC and your experiences.

Why are you such a cheerleader for London? You are so positive, that you are blinered to the real problems some students face. That is no real help either. Why does everything have to be reseached to the nth degree anyway? Personal experience is often a very valid basis for discussion and this is a forum for discussion, not academic research.

I am not putting anyone off going to London. However, all universities should be chosen with eyes open and not persuaded by cheerleaders, either. If London is so affordable, why are there so many threads about students thinking of living at home? Have I persuaded them all to do this? My girls do not live at home and I strongly believe in students living away from home, regardless of cost.

There are plenty of people of HE threads that find London expensive. Plenty of us have DC that do not want, or indeed cannot exist, on a pittance. I researched the price of halls thoroughly before DD started. Different universities have different priced halls. Why am I not entitled to my views just because they do not concur with yours? Sad state of affairs really.

whatwouldrondo · 11/04/2016 10:59

UCL Accomodation thread, bojorojo Wed 10-Feb-16 11:37:12 "Only the poorest of the poor get bursaries."

apologies, I didn't quite remember it entirely correctly. Was that comment coming from your subjective perception or from knowing that bursaries are available to students at UCL where the parental income was less than £47k? Because frankly for many Mumsnetters whose income is less than £47k I am sure that comment would lead them to assume they would not qualify because they would not think of themselves as the poorest of the poor.

As I say I have no problems with anecdotes and subjectivity as long as it is explicit. I am sure your anecdotal comments hold true for your DDs and their particular experience, but readers should understand you have that subjectivity. Frankly I have seen no evidence that you understand the challenges faced by students from families who cannot afford to support them at university everywhere, or how students from those backgrounds cope in London and elsewhere. The trend for students to be thinking about or choosing to live at home because they worry about debt (also a common theme on threads) or because parents want them close applies everywhere, particularly it seems in my old school and hometown. Finding the extra funds is hard anywhere but there are more opportunities to raise extra funds, as well as costs in London.

I am not a cheerleader for London, I think students should investigate the courses and student experience and chose the course and university that is right for them. I just feel very strongly that students should be put off by the misperceptions that London is not doable if you do not have the advantages of the bank of Mum and Dad and your DDs. (From the same thread It suits some people and my DD's would not want to be anywhere else. They live in our flat. They do not scrimp and save. They do not need to work. Horses for courses! ) I am not denying that London is different with different challenges and opportunities but I know of many students, some personally very well, who have had a very good experience there in spite of having to fund themselves.

HocusUcas · 11/04/2016 11:47

" Friday nights are good " - an honourable tradition. I was at another college in the Great Grandfather's dog era and even then on Friday nights LSE was quite the place to be.

bojorojo · 11/04/2016 12:23

I very much understand people who have less money than us. ALL of our friends and most of our acquaintances. I do know people who have lived in hostels in London. I come from a very poor background myself. It is possibly that which drives me on to want better for my children. I hated scrimping and saving and never going out, living in poverty, no inside bathroom or loo, no heating except one coal fire, not ever, once, having a holiday until I paid for it myself. Do NOT EVER tell me I do not know about poverty. Yes, now we have enough money. I feel truly blessed that we have been able to fund our DDs but that does make me unqualified to say what I believe to be true. We are not unique by any means because, even in London, plenty of flats are owned by parents or students.

A salary of £47,000, sadly, does not go far in London. As a joint family income with two people working it is not great either. It is, without doubt, perfectly adequate elsewhere where housing is cheaper. Even a bursary top up is not particularly generous for London prices where commuting is a way of life if parents have little to spare due to other siblings or large mortgate repayments. London families, therefore, have to look at staying at home. As far as other cities go, people are risk averse. I agree. You only have to read these threads to see that. People also cluster in the North or the South. As a northern girl, my DN cannot imagine herself studying anywhere else but the in the North because that is where she feels she belongs. It has nothing to do with money, although my DSis is permantly skint.

I actually think it would be very interesting to see why students live at home and why they choose certain universities. We make judgements on MN but until all universities publish how many students live at home and how many have only moved within their own area to go to university, it is difficult to know how much cost is a factor or whether the student prefers to study with people more like them. We already know what proportions of young people study at universities who come from private schools but social mobility can be measured in other ways. I think being with "people like you" is a selection criteria applied by young people and parents, whether it is in London or elsewhere. Therefore I doubt that it is just money that means some students do not apply to London. I also, really, really do not intend to put anyone off applying if London is right for them. However, serious thought is needed.

It is also pertinent to say that UCL is NOT the only university in London. Others may not have such generous bursaries. What are all the facts about bursaries for every London university, not just the one at the top of the tree? UCL is only one of a great many universities in London.

Some students do not like the idea of funding themselves and plenty of parents are not happy for this to happen because they would like their young people to concentrate on their courses. Some courses are not suitable for this either. It also causes big problems when the DC want an, unpaid, internship. They cannot afford to take it therefore making life very unfair. This has already been flagged up as a barrier to social mobility because so many firms choose employees from their internees.

bojorojo · 11/04/2016 12:36

Also, while I am having a rant.....how many universities can actually say the bursary money goes to the right people? I certainly know of recipients whose parental income is low (deliberately) but the grandparents paid fees for Harrow. A bursary was forthcoming to the student despite very wealthy grandparents. Perhaps the money could go to the right people!

whatwouldrondo · 11/04/2016 14:00

bojo but students who have to fund themselves in London are not being excluded from exactly the same student life as others who have a sensible level of parental support . That is exactly the sort of subjective misperception I am talking about. They have a bigger loan, qualify for bursaries and/or fees remission and/or scholarships, studies permitting they work in the holidays and do casual work during term time (in bars and cafes, and on marketing promotions, they are not desperately working every hour God sends but enjoying it as part of of London life). They travel by bike and their social life revolves around cheap student nights, cut price tickets for theatre and concerts and university clubs and activities just like the average student at universities everywhere. Above all they have fun living in interesting areas where students from the various universities congregate, Camden, Holloway, Hoxton, Bermondsey, Clapham and whilst there might be horrible swirly seventies carpets, or more likely IKEA fixtures and fittings falling apart, they tend to be more salubrious than the student slums I lived in. They really are not struggling and miserable. We like many parents pay the rent but in terms of living expenses my DD in London only has the additional loan to cover London living but had basically the same lifestyle and standard of living as her sister in one of those nice cheap northern towns but with greater edginess and diversity . London life may be a little more intimidating to navigate but if a student wants that cost should not put them off.

Some of the unis pay bursaries automatically based on information from student finance, of course some will play the system (and that again applies everywhere) but if a students parents income is below the figure why wouldn't they get the help. Certainly amongst my DDs friends they are genuinely from low income / single parent families.

The £42K figure is pretty standard for the London universities, apart from Imperial where it is £60k and Goldsmiths and SOAS who struggle with funding anyway and have a different prefer to focus the help in part on local disadvantaged applicants / other disadvantaged groups like refugees .

www.lse.ac.uk/intranet/students/moneyMatters/financialSupport/ScholarshipsLSE/UGApp/UgAppHome/LSEBursarySchemes.aspx

www.kcl.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/fees-and-funding/student-funding/scholarships-and-bursaries/bursaries/kings-living-bursary.aspx

www.imperial.ac.uk/study/ug/fees-and-funding/bursaries-and-scholarships/imperial-bursary/

www.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/feesandfunding/bursaries/

www.soas.ac.uk/registry/scholarships/undergraduate-soas-bursaries.html

www.gold.ac.uk/ug/fees-funding/scholarships-2015/

whatwouldrondo · 11/04/2016 14:13

The University of London Housing Services and satellite SU services in each uni are excellent too with lots of provisions designed to make London living easier, especially for disadvantaged students eg excellently run guarantor schemes. I am sure they would make sure no student ever had to live in a hostel unless that was what they wanted.

whatwouldrondo · 11/04/2016 14:31

And I didn't say you didn't understand what it is like to be poor, I said that I saw no evidence that you understood how students who fund themselves do cope at London universities. Entirely different things. I am sure it was tough, and is not far from my family experience either but it isn't really relevant to the modern day experience of students in London, though it does help explain your extreme subjectivity on the subject.

whatwouldrondo · 11/04/2016 18:55

And at risk of joining in the rant I just saw your comment that northerners all know their place and stay up north!! My DD is at a northern university and the mix of students is from pretty much across the country, and there are plenty of northern students in London universities and at Oxbridge (though underepresented at the latter but there always was a steady stream from the northern grammars). What a very odd thing to think. Students have their individual aspirations. Yes some cluster with PLU for comfort, notably a certain tribe of private school pupils at universities like Exeter and Bristol, but also Nottingham, Leeds and Newcastle, and some may want to stay near home but teenagers being teenagers many do the exact opposite. Another very strange subjectivity and not one I recognise at all. The millennials may have it tough in terms of uni costs and debt, an unfair burden of austerity, and poor housing prospects but they are less narrow minded and the most adventurous and well travelled generation yet.

whatwouldrondo · 12/04/2016 08:09

Whilst universities do not publish where their students go, schools do. So here are two sets of leaver's destinations from two socially mixed state schools in northern towns , one selective, one comprehensive. A very normal mix, with both London and Oxbridge featuring , Bristol, Warwick etc. as popular as Durham and otherwise a wide mix.

www.ripongrammar.co.uk/documents/Final%20Destinations.pdf

www.crgs.org.uk/sixth-form/beyond-crgs/

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