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Things I wish I'd known last year when my child was applying for uni

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ICantFindAFreeNickName · 27/08/2014 20:03

I thought it might be useful to put together a list of things that may be useful for parents going through the process this year.

These are the thing that I wish we had known.

  1. Although it is not meant to make a difference when you put your UCAS application in, an early application can have some advantages. With some uni's you can apply for your accommodation as soon as you make it your firm choice, so an early application could mean you have a much better chance of getting your 1st choice of accommodation.
  1. There seems to be a trend of more uni's offering unconditional places for certain courses. These students are then given their accommodation before students with conditional offers. Which is great for kids with unconditional offers, but means those waiting for their A level results will have less chance of getting the cheaper accommodation. Might be worth asking the uni's what their policy is.
  1. Do renew your kids passport even if there is no chance of them going abroad during the year, as it makes applying for student finance so much easier.
  1. Durham has a reputation for keeping kids hanging on for a decision, I would ensure your kid really wants to go there before putting it down as choice and managing your kids expectations about how quickly they will get a reply.
  1. Don't spend ages investigating what accommodation your kid wants, as the chance of getting what they chose seems pretty small (or is that just my ds and several of his friends).
  1. People on mumsnet often have more idea about the whole process than your child's teachers.

That's all I can think of for now, as you can see accommodation is on my mind at the moment.

OP posts:
CatherineofMumbles · 28/08/2014 21:35
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Lilymaid · 28/08/2014 21:35

Exeter campus is only 10/15 minutes walk from city centre. Beautiful campus ... as long as you like hills!
UEA campus is further out from Norwich city centre. Nottingham has a fab campus but is a bus ride out from the city centre (will soon be on tram line).
Bath campus is at the top of the hill. Buildings are plug ugly concrete but surroundings are good. Further out of city centre than Exeter. York also some way out of city.

ancientbuchanan · 28/08/2014 21:49

Marking place.

Was told by neighbour not to be under ambitious in choosing insurance offer, as they will reject you if they think that you will actually get much better grades and reject them. Happened to her son and a number of others. Not sure how true generally but interesting.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 28/08/2014 22:17

Insurance offers are a bit tricky. My son had the good luck to get five offers. Four were identical. Fortunately he liked #5 enough to make it the insurance offer and there was also no difficulty deciding which of the others to firm.

My daughter didn't apply in year 13 at all and I'm so glad. Her AS grades were all over the place and the school's advice was to concentrate in year 13 on re-sits and A2 papers. The Sixth Form Head said that it was a real rollercoaster for a lot of them coping with waiting for the outcomes of all those applications and making that pretty big decision about where to go alongside all the other stuff going on in year 13. Also, it's just so much easier for everybody (ie university as well as applicant) when the A level grades are known at the point of applying. It was the right advice for her.

secretsquirrels · 28/08/2014 22:18

ancientbuchanan Never heard that one. DS applied to one uni that was really not a contender but he put it down because had not been to see enough to make a proper choice.
It was under ambitious but they not only made him an offer they offered him a cash incentive as well. He didn't choose it though.

The city V campus is a really important choice. DS hated all the city ones, wouldn't even visit London.
London is a whole other matter. The cost of studying anywhere is high but London is even higher. Take a look at this thread. One DC is paying over £9.5k just for accommodation.

cricketballs · 29/08/2014 07:00

In terms of accommodation, also take a close look at terms and conditions (especially if you can't fund it for them), we saw that at one uni they expected terms payment before loan payment went in (uni owned, not private halls)

circular · 29/08/2014 18:51

One thing we were told was that if last one or two choices holding up application, possible to put in form with just those decided on, adding others later. Obviouly later choices would need to fit with an course specifics in PS.

On the accommodation, is it really the cheapest that get snapped up first? A recent open day we went to said there are never enough en-suites for everyone that wants one.

ancientbuchanan · 29/08/2014 19:06

Gosh, secret, he must be brilliant and what was he applying to do?

I agree, London is a whole different ball game, and v v different from any other city. Needs to be taken college by college and on its own terms.

fridayfreedom · 29/08/2014 20:55

Dd is off to do an art based course. We visited 6 unis prior to applying.
She got interviews at all of the 5 she applied for so we spent hours and £££ in all.
Just something to bear in mind if the course involves a portfolio and interview.
She got 5 offers though and chose the one she saw first and loved.

Needmoresleep · 29/08/2014 22:07

It can take an age between applying and hearing back which can be quite unsettling.

Worth looking at number of applicants to places. If high don't be surprised if decisions are not made till March. Universities need to give equal consideration to candidates from within the EU so though exceptional or weak candidates may hear back quickly, the rest probably wont hear until after the application deadline in January. Even then some Universities may ask some candidates, eg mature students with non traditional qualifications or EU candidates from countries whose matriculation does not provide sufficient differentiation, to sit additional tests. So March before they have a clear view of the relative merits of different candidates.

Really hard if not expected and everyone else seems to be getting places.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 29/08/2014 22:19

Actually, Needmoresleep, practice seems to vary a great deal from one course to another, and of course from one institution to another too. Some places like to start handing out offers straight away and they keep going until they've reached their target number of offers made. In those cases it's just too bad if you apply late.

Others prefer to wait and consider a 'gathered field', ie all of the applications in by a certain date, possibly making several batches of offers over a period of months.

All more complicated if there are tests/interviews to fit in as well.

And of course they all offer more places than they have because they have to allow for (a) those who don't get the grades and (b) those who accept another offer instead.

Another thing worth knowing is that not everybody gets the same offer. UCAS and the university's prospectus/website will give an indication of what the offer might be, but there can be quite wide variation.

Needmoresleep · 30/08/2014 00:38

Each have different approaches. However all EU candidates must be given equal consideration as long as they apply before the January deadline. Universities cannot keep making offers till they run out, then reject later applicants.

The issue seems to apply to those courses with a high ratio of applicants to places. Some people will end up waiting a long time. Hence the advice to factor this in when applying for a popular course. Their cousin expected it with medicine but DS was surprised he was still waiting to hear from three Universities towards the end of March when applying for economics. Eg when he needed to be focussed on A2 revision. This was despite predicted grades well above the standard offer and despite having applied in September.

The reason was sheer weight of numbers. As many as 10 qualified candidates were applying for every place.

OP asked what we had learned. That was it!

purplepenguin86 · 30/08/2014 00:55

This is going to sound really, really obviously, but make sure that all 5 choices are universities they would actually be happy to go to. Lots of people put down a couple of universities that give lower offers as safe choices, but then when it comes down to it aren't actually keen on going to them. Also, general advice is to have X number of aspirational universities, X number of backup etc, but do remember that when they are choosing which place to put as firm and which as insurance they will have no more idea of what grades they are going to get than they do when applying, which again often leads to the first situation I mentioned - a 'safe' insurance that actually doesn't appeal. Getting 5 offers is great, and having safe choices means they are very likely to have some offers, but ultimately you only choose 1 firm and 1 insurance, and both of those universities need to be places they can really imagine themselves spending the next 3 (or however many) years and think they would be happy at.

Lindor · 30/08/2014 01:27

Ds just wasn't interested or ready to do his ucas application at the beginning of year 13. I'd dragged him to visit one uni in Y12, and college had taken them to visit 2 others. He finally became interested and got going right at the end and sent his application off with 2 days til the Ucas deadline. His college deadline was in November, but his tutor was still really helpful and got his reference done quickly.

Then within 2 weeks he had 4 offers. (No interviews). Unfortunately he missed his first choice but is now happily preparing to head off to his insurance uni. So if your dc are dragging their heels don't worry. We parents just have to learn to be patient and bite our tongues!

secretsquirrels · 30/08/2014 09:04

Ah yes the 18 year old dragging his feet.
UCAS applications take longer than you expect and need lots of niggling details you may not have to hand so don't wait until 10pm on the deadline day to start it.
There are lots of deadlines involved. Deadline to get PS done and submitted to school. Deadline to get UCAS application done. (Earlier deadline for Oxbridge /Medicine than other courses).
DS saw a deadline as the day to do it Hmm.

Incidentally if one of your choices is Oxbridge you can submit your UCAS form without all 5 choices on and add to it later.
All universities get the same copy of the application. So it's best not to mention them by name, or the details of the course in the PS.

Needmoresleep · 30/08/2014 09:44

And following on from Penguin's point, give active consideration to a gap year as a plan B. University is now a huge investment decision, and you should get on the best course you can.

And a Gap year is often a good thing in its own right, proving a chance to do something interesting and allowing a student to gain extra maturity.

It depends on how competitive the course is (see my post above - it is worth looking at the ratios as this gives an understanding of the University's position.) Then think tactics. DS applied to the four leading Universities for his subject, with the understanding that he would be good enough for any, but that weight of numbers meant that he might be rejected by any or all. In the end he got the University he least expected (they have a reputation for preferring non private school pupils, plus there was a chance that they would not consider two of the five A levels he was offering). If you are a realistic candidate, better to apply for four very competitive courses, thereby increasing your chances of getting on one of them, and take a Gap year than settle for a less interesting Insurance.

Also be aware that at the top end, all offers are likely to be the same. For economics A*AA is pretty standard. So if you are likely to substantially exceed the standard offer, there is little point putting an Exeter or Nottingham down as insurance.

Tactics will be different if you are less likely to exceed the standard offer, but again there is value knowing your grades before you apply.

Also give consideration to London Universities. Many wont because of the expense and complexity of living in London. This means that top Universities (Imperial, LSE, UCL and Kings) are worried about their relatively low numbers of good state educated students from outside the home counties, especially for subjects requiring strong maths/science. If you can make the figures stack up, your chances of getting on a better course may be higher, than say trying for Durham or Warwick.

(On his offer day my son walked across to one of the Halls of Residence with three other lads. Even he was shocked that all of this random group had attended big name private schools of the sort often discussed on MN. Not what I think the University wants, but economic self-selection is alive and kicking. That said, given the majority wont be from the UK, so in practice there will be diversity enough.)

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 30/08/2014 16:46

Thanks, Needmoresleep, I stand corrected. Two applicants through UCAS and I genuinely didn't know about the equal academic consideration principle!

I used to be involved in postgraduate admissions decisions and we didn't have any of that to worry about. Postgraduate admissions is a free for all. However, not relevant here!

circular · 30/08/2014 19:11

Anyone know if the stats for applicants receiving offers on University Which site are reliable? I am seeing stats of between 60% and 90% for courses DD is interested in. Seems the lower the requirements, the lower percentage of offers being made.
Yet the courses at the higher end typically show on the Unis own websites as having say 6 applicants for every place.

JellicleCat · 30/08/2014 20:05

Edinburgh is another uni which does not send out offers until late - March from memory.

Make sure that your dc does really want to do the course they are applying for. I think it is easy for them to get swept along with the pressure to get on with the UCAS application without thinking it through. 14%, including dd swop courses during or at the end of first year.

Kez100 · 30/08/2014 21:30

If your DCs are looking at an art related degree where there are long interviews and portfolios, recommend they take advice on what work to include from their tutors/teachers, really know their work inside out and their personal statement and the course in detail. My daughter picked up an unconditional and is sure these things helped her and, by gum, has the whole process been easier.

Kez100 · 30/08/2014 21:38

Also agree with previous poster about art based degrees and cost of interviews.

We went to all four (my daughter only chose four) for interviews, three needing overnight stays, and it cost a fortune!

RaspberryLemonPavlova · 30/08/2014 22:10

DS1 is just going into Y12 and has started the uni visits thanks to advice on here and school. He has already decided he would prefer a city rather than a campus, and knows which subject he wants to study, which I suppose is a good start.

He may well include an Oxbridge uni, I was grateful to read he doesn't need to have made all his choices before submitting his UCAS form

BackforGood · 30/08/2014 22:54

There is a website www.push.co.uk which helps you / your dc filter university choices by all sorts of different criteria, if your dc doesn't really know where to start.

For those of us with non-MNy dc who weren't ever going to get a fistful of As and A*s, then it saved a LOT of time, thinking 'Oh, whatabout {insert name of university}, then going on to their website, then the subject area, then finding the listing for usual offers, only to find it wouldn't be the right one'
It also has searches for things like cost of accommodation (I seem to remember there's also one for price of a pint Wink), area of the Country, if it's in a City or on a campus, etc.,etc.etc.

You do register (free) but they don't send you loads of spam, and you can play around with it as much as you want, in terms of adding / removing filters.

antimatter · 30/08/2014 23:16

BackforGood - thanks for that info about ranges of points for various universities
I found this www.push.co.uk/files/file/points.pdf

cricketballs · 31/08/2014 08:39

Another issue I have just thought of! If money could be/will be a worry then look carefully at any scholarship/bursaries available. Out if the 6 unis my DS looked at, 4 had nothing he could access as they were dependant on income (usual story, our income is too high for help, but we don't have much disposable income), 1 had a sports scholarship he could access as it wasn't fully dependant on performance but as he is a qualified coach he could apply, the final one had an academic scholarship that didn't depend depend on income which offered £1500 discount on his halls (he had to achieve DDM in his BTEC minimum to qualify