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US universities

13 replies

SDhopeful · 15/08/2013 14:04

Hi - anyone considering US universities? DD interested but the school do not seem to be on the ball, we have obviously googled etc, but would be interested in any real life Grin mumsnetters Dc who have gone/are going this route.

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secretscwirrels · 15/08/2013 16:19

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CleverlyConcealed · 15/08/2013 16:27

One of mine did a year abroad as part of his degree (his 2nd year of a 3 year degree). dd is just about to go abroad for a semester. ds went to Canada, dd is going to the US.

Lots of universities offer periods abroad if you don't want to or can't afford to go the whole hog.

OryxCrake · 16/08/2013 10:04

One of my dc is at US uni doing a four-year degree. Absolutely loves it! He did the SAT rather than the ACT - most US unis will accept either, although the one he is at usually goes on ACT scores, but this wasn't a problem.

It's very different to the UK system in that they don't have to declare their major for the first year or so, but in fact a proportion of the early courses they choose need to be relevant for the major they're intending to take. He's doing a double major so the courses he chooses early on are critical.

It is less specialised, in that you have to take a broader range of courses than you would at a UK university, with some compulsory gen ed courses. However, US uni covers what would be the second year of A level here so students can start at 17 and you don't necessarily need A levels. My dc enjoys the breadth and flexibility, although having said that his courses for next semester are very specialised as he builds towards his majors.

They work very hard, and application is expected. He finds the intensity hugely enjoyable and is hoping to do a masters in the US at some stage if all goes well. He loves the social life and finding out about a very different culture. He's made some amazing friendships that will probably be lifelong.

Can't compare it to school as dc was home educated but he's finding it an incredible experience and can't wait to get back for the fall semester. Having said that, the three-month summer break is is a bonus for pining parents back in the UK!

mathanxiety · 17/08/2013 06:31

My oldest graduated in 2012 from a US university, second is half way through, and third is off next week to start her big adventure. They are American though, and did high school in the US.

If you are interested, go to www.collegeboard.org/, which is an official site that can help you sort out many of the bewildering details. Your student can create an account (in fact he or she may eventually have to in order to proceed with any application).

www.fulbright.org.uk/study-in-the-usa is another site that is extremely useful.

There is a different application timetable involved compared to application to UK universities, so you will need to start looking early (now) because for admission in 2014 the application form cycle begins this autumn, with most US students having completed the necessary exams (ACT or SAT) at the latest in early summer 2013. If your student is at the end of A levels now, another year may be necessary to get the required tests done - but go through the Fulbright site with a fine tooth comb to figure out where you stand, timewise.

Once you've looked at the application schedule and know what you will need in terms of standardised tests and sending your UK school results, you need to assess where your student is most likely to be accepted and how you will manage to finance the education. Again, the Fulbright site is useful from the finance pov, and the CollegeBoard one is useful for the college search process (college = university).

American students applying for financial aid do so through the FAFSA site. Individual universities usually require an additional variety of documents for their own financial aid offices to examine. For international students, things may be different. You should be prepared to have ready a lot of documentation of income, tax forms for a few years, documentation of the value of assets, and sundry other items that individual colleges may request.

The cost of attending includes residence in a dorm and all meals. Dorms are pretty much bare bones. Rooms are furnished but you bring your own bedding, etc. The bill is usually broken down into tuition and room/board. For US students, financial aid can cover as much as 100% of need. A student could conceivably pay nothing for third level education. Students generally buy their own books and materials. You would not be forking over for private accommodation or food for your student separate from the room and board charge.

Foreign students may have a different situation, financial aid/scholarship-wise. Normally, a student applies for financial aid around the same time as the application for a place is done, but via different offices. You can't apply for aid after admission anywhere. The timetable for American students' financial aid application is end of January 2014 for admission in autumn 2014. Again, international students may have a different situation. You would have to narrow down your choices to about 6 or 7 universities and then contact each one to speak to the office of financial aid regarding your financial aid application.

American universities vary greatly in quality and rigour of courses, so it pays to do your homework, look at forums, compare university rankings, etc. and think about what your student is looking for in a university. American students applying to very selective universities would take Advanced Placement courses in most, if not all of their high school subjects in their high schools in the final two years. These are equivalent to A level courses. No student applying to a very selective university would have any hope of getting in without doing AP courses and getting a 4 or 5 (top grade is 5) on those courses.

The DCs love/d their university experience. One went to a highly selective university ranked normally in the top 10 worldwide and the other is going to a very selective state school ranked in the top 50. College life features a huge amount of action crammed into each day and night, and fairly tolerable food and communal bathrooms. Support /counselling/ health services/ academic counselling are all very good ime.

American universities generally use the gpa system that US high schools do, so all grades count towards your final grade for a course. This means students work fairly steadily (those that work). Most students hold down a part time job too. American students work hard and drink a lot of Red Bull. DS and I had a few interesting conversations last year at the point where he had been up for three days and nights straight, finishing up papers and studying.

While there are usually general education requirements (maths, humanities, foreign language, science, English, etc), sometimes called a Core curriculum, most students are taking lots of courses in their focus area by their second year even though you don't have to declare a major until your second last year.

Students generally take four or five subjects per semester. As an example, DS's subjects last year included maths courses, chemistry, chem lab and organic chemistry, biology (2 different courses plus labs) a course on history of film. This coming year he will be taking physics and more bio and chem and maths (stats and calc 3). He has almost finished his gen ed requirements and will be left with Latin to take in his last year. He is on track to go to medical school. DD1 at one point was taking visual arts courses, psychology, philosophy, Persian, French, physics, calc 3, and various economics courses (her major was econ with a minor in visual arts).

mathanxiety · 17/08/2013 06:33

Be prepared to contact universities directly as parents of an international student, and go to their websites to browse around.

SDhopeful · 17/08/2013 07:14

wow - many thanks!

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lljkk · 17/08/2013 09:58

I think the US Uni system can be far better than British but we couldn't afford to send DC to US (darn). Good luck, if you can find a way.

OryxCrake · 17/08/2013 11:50

There are scholarships available for international students in the US - I would guess these vary considerably between universities but not sure.

DS is there as a student athlete (public uni) and was lucky enough to get a sports scholarship that covers his entire tuition but there are also academic scholarships that are specifically for international students as well as others that are open to all. He also gets a stipend as part of the athletic scholarship, which covers his books and a few other bits and pieces.

I don't know loads about it as he did the research and applications himself but as far as I know there is info on the individual uni websites about financial aid.

Yogagirl17 · 17/08/2013 12:13

I'm American & I absolutely loved my university experience (small, prestigious, liberal arts college in the northeast US) but having lived here for the past 15 years, I don't know if I would encourage my kids to go to uni in the states.

There is a lot to be said for the US system. AS others have already said, you don't have to specialise so quickly so you get a much broader education (that's the "liberal arts" bit). I studied psychology but also was able to take classes in literature, theatre, science, sociology, political science etc, etc. There's a lot of emphasis on learning to be independent thinkers, researchers and writers, regardless of the subject. I also prefer the idea of "campus life" to letting 17-21 year olds out into the big bad world...or worse yet, living at home! You get a great mix of independence & safety in that way. Most socialising takes place on campus and not in bars and clubs and city centres (also necessary since the legal drinking age is 21). I think I got a great education and a great experience and if I'd stayed in the US it would have gotten me pretty far in terms of the career I wanted.

However...having moved to the UK, I've had a lot of trouble with jobs & further education. The problem is, my American undergraduate degree in psychology didn't actually qualify me to DO anything. I didn't graduate as a psychologist. For that I needed a Phd (or at the very least, a masters or graduate programme of some sort). But when I applied to do graduate study here the British Psychological Society wouldn't recognise my undergraduate qualifications. Despite the fact that the uni I went to is one of the top in the country and despite sending them records and transcripts, it didn't quite meet their criteria. I would have had to do two more years of undergraduate work before i could carry on. :(

It's hard on job applications as unless you go to Yale or Harvard, no one here will have heard of it. It also takes a lot of explanation to convince someone that an American "College" is not the same as a UK "College". In the US Colleges and Universities can both offer the same degrees.

There's also the expense. I don't know what kind of scholarships are available for overseas students, but it seems crazy to me to spend £100,000 on education when higher education in this country is so good.

Hope some of that helps.

lljkk · 17/08/2013 15:32

My BA from an American "college" nobody has heard of, gave me extremely desirable & unusual job skills in the UK. :-)

Still too expensive to consider sending DC there.

mathanxiety · 17/08/2013 18:27

DS was thinking about psychology but decided to go for the med track instead when he realised he would have to do further studying and lots of it in order to practice in that area -- since he was going to be putting in that much work anyway he decided medicine might be more worthwhile and would take the same amount of time.

DD1 got her job offer before sitting her finals and could work anywhere in the world just with her BA. It depends on your subject. Psych is one that has to be added to before you can do much with it if you want to stay strictly in the area even in the US. Branching out to school work as a dean or counsellor, or into HR or other areas takes less further study though.

Amazing ignorance on the part of UK employers. Even if HR people went to the movies they would surely have some glimmer that college and university are terms used differently in the US. (Says a graduate of University College Dublin - "no, there is no comma")

International Student Financial Aid application pdf from CollegeBoard. You deal directly with the colleges/universities you are applying to, presumably because a non-citizen is not eligible for any Federal or State money. But there are institutional scholarships that are need based and if you get accepted they can write off a lot of the cost. A rule of thumb is that the better quality the institution, the more they have in the kitty for international students. But dig via email and by phone. Get yourself an international phone card (from CelticTel . com or some such vendor) that will cut your international call cost).

Pretty thorough rundown of international financial aid picture here, with many links (some require registration and paying a fee however). Hopefully this will be encouraging to you. The top ten are highly selective schools with two that tip top US students might have as safety schools when applying.

twinsyang · 18/04/2022 09:38

Found this old post. The links here are so helpful! Daffodil

TizerorFizz · 18/04/2022 22:18

@twinsyang
Quite a lot of if is rubbish though if you are a Brit. You won’t get any money unless you get to a needs blind university. The US fees are eye watering. Or be great at sport!

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