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Is there any value to a 4th A2 level for Oxbridge / RG ?

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SecretPlansAndCleverTricks · 21/07/2012 11:36

DD is taking 3 academic AS that will enable her to apply for her chosen subject, plus Theatre Studies that has nothing to do with her chosen Degree course, but that she really enjoys.

She is bright and hardworking enough to study four, and the school allow it. Would there be any benefit to her taking 4? or would she be better off dropping the Theatre and just continuing to enjoy Drama as an extra curricular?

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mummytime · 02/08/2012 22:45

Hate to prick anyone's bubbles but Undergraduates at Oxbridge are not uniformly brilliant. I have worked at Cambridge and studied at Oxford (and DH does some teaching there). They are bright but not all geniuses, even at the most academic colleges.

That is why so many of their graduate students come from other Universities.

Yellowtip · 02/08/2012 22:49

Of course they're not all geniuses mummytime; there aren't enough of those to go round.

minipie · 02/08/2012 22:55

slipshod that's interesting, I didn't know that. My theory would be that Oxford is better if you want to be a bit of a socialite - it's a bigger town and has more in the way of smart shops, restaurants, bars etc which might appeal to a "rah" crowd more than quieter Cambridge? Also more easily accessible to west and central london and the home counties west of London which may be where many public school parents live?

prettydaisies · 04/08/2012 20:30

My older two dc attend an academic selective independent school which sends students to Oxford and Cambridge each year. Unless doing further maths, they are only expected to do 3 A2s. It is something that is asked about by parents quite often, but the school assures us that they speak regularly to admission tutors and they are perfectly happy with three.

With 2 afternoons of games and 1 afternoon of community service plus their own general studies, there isn't much time for more!

genug · 06/08/2012 13:37

So sorry to have neglected you, yellow, but duties come first. Can't help you as usual, surely you must expect a response from your comments on others' experiences, and if the cap fits... BTW the point isn't that "KS4" is just the GCSEs, but then most of us already know that. Three years for A2 is certainly one way of skinning a cat, an alternative to being an exam factory is simply to let them develop more breadth and depth.

As for any resemblance to another MNer with a medic son, my DD has not had a gender change, so perhaps it's your angst, even paranoia? Perhaps she's simply looked into what the options are with her DS, and come to similar conclusions to those who may even have started off at the Radcliffe many moons ago.

Enjoy the lovely summer!

kalidasa · 06/08/2012 14:22

I have been an admissions interviewer, at both undergrad and graduate level, for both Oxford and Cambridge, though I'm not involved in admissions at either at the moment. In my experience, performance at interview and in the tests which are part of the admissions process (whether centralised, as for law, medicine etc, or set at college level) weigh much more heavily than any other factors, including choice and number of A level subject (provided basic criteria are met), and certainly much more than things like the personal statement and extracurricular activities which are - in my experience - of very little relevance except as useful cues for a gentle starter question.

I agree that three A levels is fine and would attract no comment with the possible exceptions of: a) for some applicants, lack of further maths for a pupil who could have opted for it (obviously not all schools offer it), and b) sticking to three relatively cautious options for a pupil at a very high powered school where most of the best do four. Though even that latter scenario would not attract attention if they were three essay subjects.

I think it's partly just the psychological realities of interviewing - once you've seen a student in person (and often also marked their attempt at a test you have set) you tend to be swayed more by that experience than by other factors.

Of course the situation is different for admissions tutors in heavily oversubscribed departments which do not interview (e.g. UCL). They are forced to depend much more heavily on the facts as they appear on the UCAS form (e.g. GCSE grades, predictions, subject choices).

As for the OP's original question, I would probably advise avoiding four very heavy essay based subjects, but the addition of a fourth slightly "different" A level generally looks interesting and is fine if she wants to do it, provided it won't cost her a top grade in one of the others.

Yellowtip · 07/08/2012 00:10

Too weird for me genug, sorry. Not sure what your problem is. I think you're best left alone.

genug · 08/08/2012 16:43

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Yellowtip · 08/08/2012 23:02

genug, given the number of personal insults you've chosen to hurl my way on this thread, without the least provocation, I think it must be fairly obvious that you have a problem.

We all quite like the idea of being an absurd one trick pony university family however. It's not a bad trick, as tricks go :)

Yellowtip · 08/08/2012 23:05

And I think you mean compliment btw. Complement is entirely different.

Not that either is appropriate, of course.

genug · 09/08/2012 17:43

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MordionAgenos · 09/08/2012 20:53

Goodness. Shock I had a Look at this thread because DD1 will be making her choices next term but......wow.

Yellowtip · 09/08/2012 22:56

I find you pretty disturbing genug. Obviously you're targeting me, but am I alone in thinking this is very, very strange and weird?

MordionAgenos · 09/08/2012 22:58

@yellow You're not alone, no. :(

genug · 11/08/2012 20:36

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MordionAgenos · 11/08/2012 21:13

@genug my username is from a mich loved book, yes. I don't know where you got the name Genug but I suspect it's not on your birth certificate. I'm certainly not a puppet of any kind. Just watching this thread with a horrified fascination and quite glad that none of my kids want to do medicine (though one of them is interested in following me to Cambridge. Or she was until I told her about this thread. Now she is rethinking).

MordionAgenos · 11/08/2012 21:19

I've just realized why you think I might be a sock puppet - I've name changed twice this week due to a stalking incident on another part of MN - not the education threads at all. I don't think I've ever posted in any threads you have posted in though - I certainly don't recognize the nickname genug from anywhere - so even if I told you my previous name (which I won't, the incident this week freaked me out) - I doubt it would mean anything to you.

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Yellowtip · 16/08/2012 22:57

This Oxbridge angst is madness. What is it to anyone else where the DC of strangers choose to attend? And why rail against the merits of Oxbridge medicine when your own DS applied last year? I've never offered any opinion about London schools: I'm no medic. Perhaps DS will be at an inferior place. I couldn't care less, nor could he.

I marginally changed my name a while back for technical reasons, as I explained to those who asked. MNHQ advised. A mild annoyance but I intended to be recognisable, hence the similarity of name. Had I wanted to disguise myself or hide something I'd have chosen a new name which was utterly different. Of course.

Very unpleasant indeed. One trick pony family. Oxbridge nil. Really: why worry? No point. But perhaps time to let go.

ninjawomble · 17/08/2012 00:36

DS doing 5 AS levels - with maths/further maths as 2 of them. The maths department are only allowing a small number of students from set 1 to do this combo of 5 AS levels and have told everyone doing this that they can easily drop out before October half term if it proves too much. DS hoping it isn't the same as 5 totally different subjects (lots of overlap with his other courses as sciences/economics) but I have advised him to give it a try but don't struggle on as it would be better to get 4 AS / 3 A2 with good grades rather than spread himself too thinly and have 5 AS / 4 A2 with lower grades. OP it is usual for students to study 4 x AS and then drop one to complete 3 x A2 in the final year.