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nailak · 02/03/2011 14:58

Hi, i am thinking about my long term goals, and have some questions about phd's.

  1. a few universities say you dont need ma if exceptional circumstances, have any of you managed this and how? what are these circumstances? 2)what is the structure of the course? how much guidance do they give you, and support with research methods? 3)in a proposal how much do you need to know? what needs to be included? do you have already needed to research others opinions and findings surrounding the topic?

#thank you in advance

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muddleduck · 02/03/2011 14:59

The answers to all these questions vary hugely between different research areas, so you'll need to give us a bit more info Smile

nailak · 02/03/2011 15:15

lol okay i way planning to do a phd or mphil in religious studies area. i looked in london and have the options of soas, bribeck, kings, city also kent which is near enough....

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nailak · 02/03/2011 15:16

and i wont even be applying for at least 2 years but it might take me that long to get a proposal done! lol

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muddleduck · 02/03/2011 22:09

Can't help with this one... Way out if my field :)

JaneS · 02/03/2011 22:19

Well, I do an Arts subject so this maybe of some help, unless anyone else comes along who does the exact same subject.

  1. You may not need an MA to get on the course, but you can only apply for funding if you have one - something to bear in mind. TBA, I'd really recommend it - I think 'exceptional circumstances' really means people who've published already because they're working in proximity to the subject they want to study.

  2. Structure: You'll start off (whether or not you do an MA) with a provisional place: you'll be what's called a probationary research student. After a year or so, you will need to prepare a piece of work from your thesis (usually a short version of a chapter or an introduction, maybe 8000 or 10,000 words). You'll submit this to a panel of academics, and have an oral examination with them. If you pass, your PhD status will be confirmed and you'll continue to work for another two years. If you fail, you may end up re-submitting or you may be told you must stop now and take an MPhil instead of a PhD. Or, in the worst case scenario, you'll simply fail.

Assuming you end up doing the full 3/4 year course, you'll find you meet with your supervisor somewhere between every few weeks and every few months, depending on how your work is going, how much you need guidance, and how busy you both are. Lots of people find they spend 6 months or even a year feeling a bit aimless, reading lots and making lots of notes and trying to draft chapters that are small sections of their thesis. Eventually, you get a sense of what your topic will entail and how to plan it all out into chapters. Once you've got to that stage and you feel secure(ish) with your plan, you'll alternate between researching and writing. Your university will have occasional lectures or courses on how to research, which you may want to go to. You'll also be writing short papers to present at conferences, and trying to get short papers published.

At the end, you should have a thesis (around 90,000-100,000 words), which might have 4-6 chapters. Ideally, you'd have been to several conferences and presented a paper at two or three, and ideally, you'd have published at least one paper. These papers would probably be short versions, or early drafts, of one of your chapters. The conferences and publishers would have given you feedback on how to make your work better, so you have their imput as well as your supervisor's regular imput.

  1. To write a proposal you need a good general knowledge of your subject, to MA level (even if you've not got the MA). You need to demonstrate that you know what the current state of scholarship is in your area, and that your PhD topic is going to make a new and original contribution to that scholarship. You also need to show your topic has enough depth for a three year project of 90,000 words.

You don't need to know already exactly what you hope to conclude - you want to show you have important questions to ask and some sense of where to look for the answers, but you don't have to have all the actual answers yet. And, when you start your PhD, you can make big changes to your topic if it's necessary.

I think this is already a really long post so will stop, but ask if you want to know other things and think I can help. Good luck! Smile

nailak · 03/03/2011 00:36

thank you soo much, it helped a lot, basically now i am thinking i have to a Ma because i would never beable to afford 3k a year without any funding!!

and also i was worried about research methods and couldnt find and open uni modules on it, so i am glad about what you told me about research lectures!

while researching i came across this thing called MRes, do they have that in arts subjects, does anyone know?

and that presenting papers at conferences sounds scary....is it as scary as it sounds?

But now i have a much better understanding of what it entails! thanks again!

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JaneS · 03/03/2011 00:56

Basically, all Masters programmes have different names in different places. Your best bet is to check each different university and see what their Masters programme entails.

Research lectures would happen maybe once a term in my subject at PhD level, but if you do the MA that will have plenty of research skills in it, so it is a great way in to the PhD.

Presenting papers - I find it pretty scary, but I think everyone does! Grin Lots of MA courses will involve you in presenting a short paper to your classmates, and then at PhD level there are conferences specially aimed at PhD students, so these are not so scary as you're with friendly people.

Hope all goes well for you. Smile

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