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Guest post: "Women are expected to go home with life-changing injuries after giving birth and just get on with it"

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JuliaMumsnet · 21/07/2021 15:01

For Birth Trauma Awareness Week, Jen Hall from the MASIC foundation, which supports women who have suffered serious injuries during childbirth, writes about her experience of childbirth and the MASIC's Foundation latest findings:

"When I gave birth back in 2013 I had no idea what lay ahead of me. I’m not talking about the sleepless nights, breastfeeding battles, or any of the other aspects of new motherhood that are widely talked about. What I had to cope with alongside new motherhood is something that is rarely spoken about - yet is a major trauma for the thousands of women affected each year.

Severe birth injuries, or third- and fourth-degree tears, are injuries that extend from the vagina into the anal sphincter and are a leading cause of bowel incontinence in women - alongside pelvic floor dysfunction, pelvic organ prolapse, nerve damage and impaired sexual function.

My birth injury was caused by being left to push for three hours, causing a traction injury to the pudendal nerve, followed by two failed attempts with the ventouse and a brutal forceps delivery where my baby’s head and body were delivered in one contraction. Long term it has left me with many of the symptoms listed above. I’m a shell of the person I was, my confidence has been deeply affected, and I no longer feel like a woman who has control of her body.

My experience of motherhood was deeply affected by the injuries I sustained. I didn’t walk into hospital at 33 years of age to have my baby and expect to come out unable to run for the rest of my life or to carry out the most basic of bodily functions.

At The MASIC Foundation we carried out a survey at the beginning of the year to try and assess exactly what impact sustaining a severe birth injury can have on your experience of motherhood. We knew women would find this difficult to talk about, so the survey was completely anonymous. The survey ran for a month across our social media channels, and we received responses from 325 women who self-identified as having suffered severe perineal trauma when giving birth.

  • 85% of women who sustained severe maternal perineal trauma said it impacted on their relationship with their child.
  • 49% of women said they doubted their ability to mother because of the injury.
  • 46% said the injury affected their relationship with their partner and wider family.
  • 34% felt their relationship with their child was affected because they associated their child as the cause of their injury.
  • 31% said they wondered whether their child would be better off without them.
  • 24% of women affected regretted having a child because of the injuries they are left with.

The results we have gathered are shocking and heart-breaking, and show in stark reality the impact these injuries are having on mums and babies each year. These injuries can lead to feelings that no woman expects to feel or wants her experience of motherhood to be. The results are hard to comprehend. But if you have suffered a severe birth injury, I’d wager you can relate to some of these feelings.

I felt that I was a failure after my birth, that there was something wrong with my birthing body that had led to this. I spiralled into a deep depression, unable to comprehend that a) having a baby could leave you like this, and nobody tells you and b) women are expected to go home with life-changing injuries and just get on with it because they are mothers now.

And these feelings led to a complete rejection of motherhood in the early days. If my body could be treated so casually as collateral damage, then why did either of us matter anymore? What good would I be to my son if I couldn’t ever lift him, play or run around with him? I fixated on the time before my pregnancy and birth, before everything ‘went wrong’. I’d unwittingly given permission for an assault on my body that had profound implications for my future.

If I tried to speak out about how I was feeling to the health visitor or to my GP I felt like I was being judged on my ability to parent. I was told my injury was ‘all in my head’ on numerous occasions and another health professional suggested that maybe it was because ‘deep down I didn’t want my baby.’ The ignorance and judgement I faced only worked to compound my isolation and distress and I feared I was a bad mother because of the things I was being told every single day.

The feminist inside me was raging.

My feelings are echoed in accounts we have heard as a charity, from other women who experienced severe injury during childbirth:

“My confidence, my me-ness, the essence of who I am, has been destroyed, my relationships with my child and my partner have suffered.”

“With my son, I love him dearly, he is the best thing in my life, but his birth caused the injury and it is difficult to square the two,”

“Every year I dread his birthday and the reminders of my traumatic experience. It is not fair on him or on me – his birthdays are not a happy occasion, but every year I have to pretend it is.”

“I am ashamed to say that at times I wished I had never become a mother and I grieved for the life I had before, I paid such a high price to have a baby.”

I know these feelings are controversial to express. But I feel they are important if we are ever going to get the NHS and policy makers to sit up and take notice of women whose bodies and lives have been deeply affected by childbirth injury and trauma. As long as women are expected to endure poor treatment while giving birth, these injuries will continue. Motherhood should not become an identity that disregards womanhood, and women should not feel afraid to speak out about the physical, emotional and psychological effects of birth injury."

Read the MASIC Foundation's full survey findings here.

Follow MASIC on Instagram: @masicfoundation
Facebook: @MASICFOUNDATION
Twitter: @masic_uk
If you're looking for support or to talk to someone about your experience, please call the MASIC 24h freephone Birth Injury Support Helpline 0808 1640 8333.

Jen will be coming back onto the thread on Tuesday (time tbc) to answer your questions.

Guest post: "Women are expected to go home with life-changing injuries after giving birth and just get on with it"
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Blueskyemily · 27/07/2021 09:15

I feel like certain posters keep presenting elective c sections as "the answer".

I am fully in favour of maternal request c sections but it's only one part of the puzzle.

My poor postnatal experience had nothing to do with how I gave birth. I had retained placenta and a haemmorhage. The care I received was unsympathetic and uncaring and I was weak for several months afterwards. I would like to see improvements in care to prevent other women going through the same thing and more elective c sections wouldn't help with that.

KormasABitch · 27/07/2021 09:19

Surely part of the problem is that the system is geared up to minimise costs, so if surgery can be avoided, and if women can be told to look after themselves and then go home ASAP, it's a win situation from a budget point of view.

I feel such grief and anger on your behalf, and (as a childless woman) will never again take my intact body for granted.

Pepvixen · 27/07/2021 09:27

I agree Kormas, I think it is totally about saving money. Then it's wrapped up in language about natural birth etc to make it look progressive.

Alleycat1 · 27/07/2021 09:55

I too am a childless woman as my husband had a very low sperm count a d wouldn't consider adoption. After reading these horror stories I am truly thankful, although the experience of one of my students who had to have 28 internal stitches was enough to put me off, not to mention my 8 and a half stone sister being left in labour for 36 hours before having emergency surgery to remove my 11lb 8 oz nephew!
How can it ever be considered normal for women to be sent home with prolapses, fistula etc. ? Would any man accept lifetime incontinence that could have been avoided or having his testicles/ anus stitched up without anaesthetic? The whole thing is barbaric and the NHS powers that be should be utterly ashamed.

Lockheart · 27/07/2021 10:00

[quote Dominikaa]@Lockheart why would you go only for a private hospital? I've done loads of research and found out that NHS would be best option for c section, this is due to the fact that they do loads of them hence have most experience.

From my 1st midwife appointment I was repeating that I'd like to have c section and did not really engaged in any other conversation about any other birth option. I was made feel
as if I am mental for wanting c section although I am very petite and my mum who has similar build to me had life changing injuries as a result of a vaginal labour. [/quote]
You've answered your own question.

If you go privately no-one is going to make you feel "mental" for wanting a caesarean. Go private and if you want one and pay for one then you're having one.

I also suspect private maternity units have just as much experience of c-sections as other maternity units in the UK.

Organisedchaosalways · 27/07/2021 10:25

Thank you for your reply, I will certainly look into contacting some of these people

JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 10:28

Hello Everyone,

Thanks for all the comments so far. I am looking forward to responding to as many as I can this morning.

If anybody would like further information about MASIC, or to get in touch with me directly after today, please email: [email protected]. We'd love to hear from you.

JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 10:36

@ScaryHairyMcClary

I couldn't believe it when I heard that women with prolapse are advised not to run ever again. If this is genuinely the right advice, women should be warned of this possibility antenatally and offered a c-section.
@ScaryHairyMcClary I agree with you. It is so important for women to be informed fully of risks antenatally, and asked about what is important TO THEM. For some women exercise is a really important part of their life, for physical and mental health reasons, and we should not be giving birth without knowing that certain methods of delivery (particularly instrumental) will make exercise problematic for years after the delivery. Informed consent is vital, and we're not anywhere near that yet in the NHS.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 10:46

@TheProvincialLady

Yes my experience echoes yours in many ways. I was so traumatised by giving birth the first time and all everyone could say was “Well you have a healthy baby, that’s the main thing,” like I wasn’t expected to be bothered about the fact that I kept soiling myself, couldn’t walk properly, lost the feeling in one of my feet, got sepsis, was in constant pain, couldn’t have sex for over a year and even then it was painful for months, had awful nightmares and shook whenever I even drove past the hospital. Literally no one cared, not family and definitely not health care professionals. And that’s before I had baby number two where no one even thought to check what impact a second birth might have on such a damaged body (quite a lot as it happened, not that anyone cared until I was in hospital with urinary retention and infection, and again not once I got home with a catheter..because it was over the Christmas holidays).

Luckily I was able to get over most of this psychologically but the physical scars affect me every day. I’ve also had major surgery at the front end and the back end needs repair too. 16 years on I can’t run or lift heavy things and I still stumble all the time with my dodgy foot and urine retention is always a possibility. Sex is not straightforward.

And of course I am so glad I had my children but I wish that everyone had let me come to that conclusion in my own time rather than treating me as collateral damage. It’s awful how women are expected to put up with pain and mess and shame when there are so many things that could be done to prevent damage.

@TheProvincialLady I'm so sorry for your experience too. I was overwhelmed and staggered after my birth experience that I'd experienced not only a life changing injury, but also in a part of the body that is so traumatic to experience an injury to, and there was zero concern. Zero acknowledgement. I thought about if I'd experienced this level of injury in a car crash, or from undergoing major surgery, I'd have been offered a long stay in hospital, weeks of rehab, specialist care. Women with birth injuries are ignored because baby has arrived, when actually they need more support than most - not only to aid their own recovery but to cope with the challenges of new motherhood alongside.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 10:50

@goldierocks

I hope the MASIC Foundation is able to use their survey results to push for long-overdue and much needed systematic change.

Has anyone else noticed the sheer number of adverts lately for incontinence knickers? Women are being told that it's normal and to just put up with it (at their own expense!)

Women should not have to fight for treatment (both mental and physical) to repair injuries caused by childbirth.

Thank you @goldierocks We hope to do just that. When we saw the data we knew it was powerful. When will the NHS and policy makers recognise that these injuries are not only deeply traumatic and life-changing, they have profound effects on a woman's sense of self, and also her experience of motherhood. Women have been silenced on this issue for far too long.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 10:58

[quote MrsKrystalStubbs]@MiniTheMinx I totally agree with you, I had a 52 hour back to back Induced labour followed by a high rotational forceps birth as a CS wasn’t an option for me due to a blood disorder. I absolutely agree that women should be offered elective CS. I just thought the PP was insensitive to come on this thread to post about CS when most women who have had birth injuries are in this position because the terrible midwifery and NHS policy of natural birth at all costs has literally ruined their bodies. I was ‘lucky’ that a very experienced obstetric surgeon repaired me directly after my birth and advised me to never have another child. I had dual incontinence for 6 months post birth and was not offered any help on the NHS. In fact I was told to let those who needed the resources more use them. I paid for a Kegel 8 device myself and persevered by myself. Luckily I had no PND and bonded with my son who also has lifelong injuries as a result of the birth. Ten years on my DH and I have no sex life at all and I suspect I will need to pay for some further repairs as I enter the menopause.[/quote]
@MrsKrystalStubbs I agree the NHS is saddled with a natural birth at all costs policy that is ruining women's bodies. I requested an elective c section. which was denied, and I was told I should have a 'normal birth' with epidural instead if I was 'scared of the pain.' Terrible advice. I'm 5ft 2 and knew instinctively that birthing naturally would be difficult. That was aside from the fact that I also knew I would be giving birth for the first time alone and I was petrified. I believe I was coerced into giving birth with a epidural, rather than being offered a c section, due to normal birth 'targets' that were in place in 2013 the maternity unit. Financial incentive? I think so.

JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:04

@colouringindoors

Thank you. I wish you'd been around/I knew about you after the birth of dd 16 years ago. Her birth was horrendously traumatic and despite an episiotomy I suffered a 4th degree tear as the Doctor yanked her out (forceps). Straight to theatre for a long repair. I can still picture the lights in the ceiling of the operating room. Was never offered a sedative.

Recovery took a year. I was in pain for over 6 months, sitting down was horrible. I felt like my body was utterly broken. All the antiobiotics I had to take after the surgery I'm certain caused colic in my breastfed baby, who screamed every evening for hours, for the first 3 months of her life.

My GP was appalling. At my 6 week check she took one look at my vulva and said something like "Oh it was bad wasn't it". Nothing helpful to say. I should have been screened for PND but wasn't. I definitely had PND. Health visitor literally said "happy mum happy baby" on hrer first visit!!! Fortunately GP did refer me to a specialist at Northwick Park hospital and I had physio with a specialist nurse/physio - for my bum basically. She was amazing and I'll be always be very grateful for her healthcare, but mainly her kindness and sympathy.

I insisted on an elcs when I decided eventually to have a second child. It was an incredibly positive, calm, enjoyable experience! Recovery was a walk in the park compared to my "natural birth".

I believe all women should be provided with a one on one pelvic floor exam after having kids, and it's even more important if you've had a birth injury. Prolapse rates in such cases are sky high.

During labour when things weren't going well I asked for a cesarean but was told it wasn't necessary.

@colouringindoors I'm so sorry for your experience. Many women report remembering the bright lights of the theatre, being fully awake whilst they are surgically repaired after a 3rd/4th degree tear. Even if you have spinal block/epidural in place, this is a deeply traumatic experience. Having a team of surgeons talking whilst repairing your vagina and anal sphincter with your legs in stirrups as if you're not there. I heard them debating whether the repair 'would hold' and also that 'this had been caused by the epidural' they advised me to have! Just shocking.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:05

@SpindleWhorl

Thank you for the guest post. It's important.
@SpindleWhorl Flowers Thank you
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:13

[quote colouringindoors]@Goldierocks

Has anyone else noticed the sheer number of adverts lately for incontinence knickers? Women are being told that it's normal and to just put up with it (at their own expense!)

Women should not have to fight for treatment (both mental and physical) to repair injuries caused by childbirth

totally agree! Specialist physio treatment should be provided.

"Oh you have a prolapse that's very common" no action. Imagine a man going in to see his GP saying his penis was falling off.....[/quote]
@colouringindoors absolutely - follow up care is essential.
MASIC are calling for a primary care education programme, so that all women are asked at contacts following birth about signs and symptoms of OASI, with appropriate referral pathways for those with symptoms in line with the NHS long term plan. We're also calling for dedicated OASI clinics nationwide, and for women's concerns to be listened to and not dismissed as 'normal' postnatal experiences.

JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:23

@ShotgunShack

Thank you for this. Very important work. I note that in your report you have a list of things that need to change. However they are all reactive and actions that are recommended after injury has already been sustained and identified.

Do you think part of the solution is raising awareness with women before they give birth? An honest one, by GP’s, midwives etc that if negligent practice happens or things go wrong there will be no care and no treatment? So that women are fully appraised of the risk they are undergoing, by putting themselves in the hands of woefully inadequate services both during and after birth?

I was too exhausted, injured and overwhelmed with the care of a poorly newborn to fight for my own care after I gave birth. I remember being shocked at the complete lack of treatment for my injuries. Until 6 months later when I had to have another operation to repair the damage so I could walk properly again.

So many women like me realize only too late that they should have demanded better care, honesty about the true scale and impact of birth injury and that professionals should have been held to account.

@ShotgunShack I completely agree that part of the solution is raising awareness with women before they give birth. Number four on our list of a seven point plan for change is for all women to be informed about the risks of OASI antenatally. As a charity we try to work with medical professionals and organisations such as the RCOG to improve care, and it can be difficult when you have experienced first hand the terrible care provided at times and feel that more profound systemic change is needed. I am a passionate campaigner for full informed consent. Totally agree we cannot consent when we are exhausted, injured and overwhelmed and completely at the mercy of others. I needed honest information prior to giving birth and I needed to be treated as an individual, not a statistic.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:32

@JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff

I want to see:

Obstetrics and midwifery better resourced and with far more training emphasising listening, empathy, and recognising sexist attitudes even within oneself

The "downstream" costs of obstetric injuries incl psychologic birth trauma to be passed back to the original obstetric unit.- if their performance was measured, or even if funding depended, on things like instances of perineal tearing, % of women expressing unhappiness with staff attitudes etc or % women with 3rd degree tears, that would sharpen the focus a bit

Resource proper pelvic floor training info. This is not that difficult. The NHS used to have an app called Squeezy. I know about it not from NHS but from MN. Create a series of short informational videos for women ttc - pregnant - and postpartum and promote heavily via social media. You could do that for under £100k easily.

Also, come up with better tools for women. I don't believe Kegels do that much. You wouldn't strengthen your bicep by just doing arm curls - you'd use weights. Why not make PF trainers available on prescription much more widely? It would save £££ on surgery down the line plus MH treatment, and also support women staying fit which has other health benefits.

But mostly, we need to challenge the misogyny which is deeply ingrained in the NHS, and which doesn't understand middle aged women as real people with lives, who want to run or have sex, they're just "Mum" and pretty irrelevant.

It would be absolutely wonderful if obstetric units performance was measured, and if funding depended on, instances of perineal tearing, % of women expressing unhappiness with staff attitudes or % women with 3rd/4th degree tears - instead of performance being measured on c section rates. 100% agree. We will push for this.

Pelvic health physiotherapy also needs to be properly resourced and funded and given a much greater role postnatally. There are some wonderful pelvic health physios who are passionate about their work and help so many women after birth injury. Unfortunately you have to go privately to get the best treatment and dodge the huge waiting lists. it shouldn't be this way. There have been some great Femtech devices launched in the last three years and I agree they should be available to ALL WOMEN, not just those who can afford it. Make Elvie Trainer or Perifit available on the NHS. Expand pessary research and provision.

"But mostly, we need to challenge the misogyny which is deeply ingrained in the NHS, and which doesn't understand middle aged women as real people with lives, who want to run or have sex, they're just "Mum" and pretty irrelevant."
100%. I'd like to use this quote in future proposals we put together!

JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:37

@MiniTheMinx

MrsKrystalStubbs I'm sorry, really upsetting to read about your experience and that of other women. The natural birth at all costs ideology is harming women when there is an alternative. I would never suggest that elective section is the right choice for all women, but it seems that women are discouraged and put under huge pressure to have natural births. Do you think now, retrospectively that you were given the right advice? because an episiotomy or tear and the use of forceps can cause very very heavy blood loss. I would have guessed (im not in medicine) that this type of trauma would cause more not less blood loss than a carefully managed section.
@MiniTheMinx "The natural birth at all costs ideology is harming women when there is an alternative. I would never suggest that elective section is the right choice for all women, but it seems that women are discouraged and put under huge pressure to have natural births. Do you think now, retrospectively that you were given the right advice? because an episiotomy or tear and the use of forceps can cause very very heavy blood loss" I believe women are put under huge pressure to avoid c sections at all costs. And with this drive comes the inevitable rise in forceps deliveries which are so harmful to women's bodies. The 'risks' of a c section are so plainly advised but there is no discussion of the risks of forceps, which in my experience are greater.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:41

@DanielTigersMummy21

Thanks for your post. The aftercare following my obstetric anal sphincter injury was appalling. I was incontinent whilst in hospital after and asked the midwife for some incontinence pants as I was leaking shit and she offered me a maternity pad. I was upset and said that would not be enough, I needed a nappy and she told me that's not usual following a third degree tear and there was nothing else she could offer me. It was the middle of the night so I fashioned myself a makeshift nappy from a maternity bed pad.
@DanielTigersMummy21 So sorry, this comments thread is heartbreaking. MASIC is pushing for better education for midwives, because OASI just isn't covered enough in their training currently. We support the OASI Care Bundle which focuses on educating midwives and on improved prevention, diagnosis and treatment for birth injuries in the NHS.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:43

@Overdon

Wholeheartedly support any campaign to improve maternity services in the UK.

Someone once told me that in France childbirth/ maternity care are all about the mother but in the UK it’s all about the baby. It is unsurprising that PND is so high here, the way our injuries are minimised and how we are not listened to.

I was shocked by the lack of basic kindness and assistance from maternity staff, my midwife was a complete bitch.
My son is an only child, no way was I going to go through labour again.

@Overdon very concise summary. I think you're right, maternity services in the UK are all about the baby, and this is letting mothers down. Look after both mum and baby.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:47

@Monoxide

It is unsurprising that PND is so high here, the way our injuries are minimised and how we are not listened to Exactly. I felt that I was disfigured and struggling but my concerns were minimised and ignored. It’s no wonder I developed PND and still struggle with mental health and cry about my injuries 3 years later. I’ve considered suicide because I don’t want to live like this, but I couldn’t do that to my child.
@Monoxide Thank you for finding the strength to post and for your honesty. You are not alone and I can completely relate to the feelings you describe. Minimising the issue, and ignoring women, greatly compounds mental distress and causes PND and PTSD. We are calling for specialised psychological treatment and support for women after OASI injury and to end the stigma and taboo of talking about these injuries.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 11:52

@Whirlywooo

This is disgusting. I've had 3 children. Could write a very long piece about my injuries and post-natal care, but I'll try and keep it short.

After suffering a 3rd degree tear with my 1st, I was left to have to climb on a chair to get into bed as the bed was so high I couldn't get in it. Changing my own sheets after 3 days of lying in my own blood. That was 28 years ago. I was young and just left to get on with it.

My 2nd birth was a shoulder-dystocia birth - can't fault the labour care there once the dystocia was happening - all systems go. Episiotomy was worse than 3rd degree tear for after-pain.

3rd birth was ECS due to polyhydramnious. Again pre-natal care was good. Thank goodness it was my 3rd DC and I knew 'what to do' as I was left alone, unable to stand upright, in agony, holding on to the bed, doing a shuffling side step to get to baby to pick up and feed, all the while thinking I was dying. Having to beg for painkillers. Was offered counselling afterwards due to the birth. Stupidly refused it, at the time I was just so thankful he was alive.

In light of the survey findings, is there a plan of action going forward? What can I do to help?

@Whirlywooo I'm so sorry for your experiences. Thank you for finding the strength and courage to speak out. We are calling for a seven-point plan for change, and I would love to hear from you. Please sign up with our contact form on the website or email me at [email protected]
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 12:00

@eacapade1982

As a scientist I find it baffling that the evidence base marginally favouring vaginal birth over C-section is based on short term outcomes (e.g. maternal and child perinatal mortality) and not long term outcomes like PTSD, incontinence, prolapse and other long term adverse effects. Studies looking at this are few and generally with small samples. We need a big study on long term outcomes so mothers can make properly informed decisions.
@eacapade1982 Completely. Short term thinking from the NHS. Very little research on the long term impacts. They'd be doing themselves a favour to commission some long term research because the short term cost savings are far outweighed by the longer term costs to the NHS of treating women for years with the fall out from birth injuries.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 12:06

@MissChanandlerBong22

I can accept that sometimes, birth injuries happen - although I believe many of them, including the ones I suffered, are preventable. I think having inexperienced midwives diagnose and repair tears is another problem (mine was misdiagnosed and badly stitched which led to major problems). But what I really can’t accept is the attitude afterwards. ‘It’s just what happens’. GPs in particular couldn’t give a shit, I found. They’ve only got 5 minutes and traumatised postnatal women are a strain on resources.
@MissChanandlerBong22 At MASIC we feel very strongly that GP's need to be better educated on this issue.They are often your first and only point of contact when issues arise postnatally. We are working on a project with Warwick University called the GRACE study, starting in September 21, to try and address this. We want to collect data around women's experiences and use this to educate GPs going forward. Contact us if you would like to take part in the study. [email protected]
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 12:11

@deepwatersolo

I attended an Information evening of the private hospital I had chosen. The head of the hospital, a gyneologist, held it. First thing she asked everyone: „do you think the birth experience is something one can plan?“ I replied: „I guess, if it is a scheduled C-section, you can, pretty much.“ She chided me for making light of a very serious operation with severe risks like bladder rupture and even death. I responded that Natural birth also held severe risks, like severe tears resulting e.g. in bowel incontinence and Cited statistics (i had read several studies on the issue, I was admittedly a bit obsessed with the topic). She then told me that I should not scare (!) the other women. She got really angry.(Her C-section scare was apparently fine) I replied that People should know the risks, as they will have to live with all Potential consequences, and that is why it should actually the woman‘s choice. (It is not in my country). She then told me in a snide voice that she wished me a lot of surprises with my pregnancy. It sounded like a curse. She realized it, too, the room went totally silent. She added hastily ‚only good ones‘. But her tone had been clear. Long story short my kid turned breech and I got a scheduled C-section. But to this day it haunts me, how this doctor tried to minimize and obfuscate the risks of Natural birth in an attempt to ‚protect‘ the expectant women.
@deepwatersolo "I replied that People should know the risks, as they will have to live with all Potential consequences, and that is why it should actually be the woman‘s choice. (It is not in my country)." 100% agreed. We are campaigning for informed consent, information about risks given to ALL WOMEN antenatally. You should not have been treated like this for being well-informed and wanting a say in what happens to your body during labour. I believe every woman should have the choice to have an elective c section if she so chooses and not be made to feel this way for raising the issue.
JenHallMASIC · 27/07/2021 12:14

@WhoKnew19

The structural lack of care for women during labour and post partum is an absolute disgrace, and I feel furious about it for women still going through it. I know it is a cliché but honestly if men had to put up with this sh!t it would be a totally different story. From my post natal group after my first, we were all traumatised in one way or another and were lucky to find each other as I think we got through it with a shared black sense of humour. How on earth women have coped without that support during the pandemic I don't know.

I had an episiotomy, severe tearing and untreated anaemia due to serious blood loss (they 'forgot' to give me a transfusion) and I couldn't make it up the stairs without needing a rest. I was in pain for a long time afterwards and had flashbacks of the very long, stressful birth. One of my other friends actually broke a bone in her back due to being tiny and having to give birth to her very large husband's baby. Another friend wasn't believed when she gave a family history of immediate labour which led to her giving birth naked on a trolley in busy corridor and suffering severe tearing and no pain relief. There are so many stories I have heard from women over the years that we could be here for days.

There is also a sort of conspiracy of silence about it. I wouldn't ever want to share my birth story with a young woman who either wanted to be or was pregnant for fear of scaring her. But maybe we should all be more open and honest so that women can weigh up the risks themselves?

@WhoKnew19 "There is also a sort of conspiracy of silence about it. I wouldn't ever want to share my birth story with a young woman who either wanted to be or was pregnant for fear of scaring her. But maybe we should all be more open and honest so that women can weigh up the risks themselves?" I feel it is vital women speak out and tell their stories. It's the most powerful tool we have and we shouldn't be afraid to speak out. Women's stories are central to MASIC and the most effective campaigning tool we have.