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Guest Post from Dr Louise Newson, GP and Menopause expert: "Should I be worried about breast cancer and HRT?"

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AnnaCMumsnet · 30/06/2021 09:43

Today Mumsnet launches our survey, which reveals that four in ten menopausal women are worried that taking HRT could increase their risk of breast cancer.

HRT Dr Louise Newson featured in the ‘Sex, Myths and Menopause’ documentary with Davina McCall that aired on Channel 4 in May. Here, Louise fact-checks some myths around the menopause and treatments and address concerns raised, particularly about the risk of breast cancer with HRT. A guest post by Dr Louise Newson:

"With all the increased conversation around menopause and perimenopause in the media recently, your thoughts may have turned to your own hormones, checking whether you tick a lot of boxes on the symptoms list, and even deciding if you should take the plunge and start HRT.

The results from the recent survey within the Mumsnet community echo what I see in my clinic and hear on social media every day. You know you’re perimenopausal (if you’re still having periods) or menopausal (if periods stopped more than a year ago) and you’re getting fed up of the toll it’s taking on your body and impact on your life. But the one thing that is stopping you getting help – and relief from symptoms – is that nagging doubt in your mind that HRT is too risky and causes breast cancer.

First of all, don’t worry, and secondly, let me have a few minutes of your time to explain where those rumours came from in the first place and show you what the good-quality evidence shows us.

A brief history of HRT
As part of the feminist movement in the 1960s the idea of ‘feminine forever’ was introduced in a bestselling book by an American doctor, Robert Wilson, who recognised menopause as a hormone deficiency that was curable and preventable by oestrogen replacement.

In European countries and the US, HRT grew in popularity over the decades, rising significantly in the 1990s. The majority of menopausal women took HRT and healthcare professionals were very happy and willing to prescribe it to most women. Women’s health on a larger scale saw fewer instances of heart disease (including heart attacks and strokes) and much less of the bone-weakening disease osteoporosis, as a result of the widespread use of HRT.

Everything changed virtually overnight with the publication of one study, the Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) study in 2002, that is referred to in Davina's documentary.

The WHI study
This notorious study was halted prematurely due to concerning results they were finding linking HRT with breast cancer. The conclusions were then leaked to the media before proper analysis could be carried out. Later, analysis of this data revealed the link was not statistically significant - in fact it had completely vanished - but of course, this news didn’t make the headlines. It was too late. The notion was now firmly planted, in the minds of women and healthcare professionals alike, that HRT causes breast cancer. And the number of women taking HRT in Europe and the US – much like their hormones – fell right off a cliff.

Taking a deep dive into the WHI study will show you that:

  • The average age of women in the study was 63, yet researchers generalised their conclusions to include women entering menopause in their early 50s.
  • Nearly half the participants were current or past smokers, many had heart disease in the past, more than a third had been treated for high blood pressure, and 70% were seriously overweight or obese.
  • The study claimed HRT increased the risk of heart problems, but the fine print revealed that the risk occurred only among women who were starting in their 70s and older.
  • The investigators then revised their findings five years after they were initially published and concluded that women who started HRT in the first 10 years following menopause actually reduced their risk of heart disease, but this didn’t make headlines either.
  • The types of HRT used in this study were tablet oestrogen (derived from pregnant horses’ urine) with synthetic progestogen, which are very different from the body identical HRT (derived from yam plants) that we now usually prescribe, which has lower risks and is very safe.

The fallout from fake news
This study was 20 years ago and the good news about oestrogen is still struggling to break through the damage caused.

More than 70 years of findings from animal studies, human studies, observational studies and randomised control studies demonstrate the benefits of oestrogen and show HRT to be a very safe and effective treatment for perimenopause and menopausal symptoms, and for reducing your risk of future diseases. Today in the UK, only around 10% of women take HRT, and many who would like to struggle to find a doctor or healthcare professional who will prescribe it for them.

Factcheck: HRT and breast cancer
So what does the good-quality evidence show us about the risks of HRT?

  • Most types of HRT do not increase the risk of breast cancer at all. Oestrogen-only HRT has actually been shown to lower the future risk of breast cancer compared to women who don’t take HRT.
  • Some studies have shown that women taking combined HRT (containing oestrogen and a progestogen – a synthetic progesterone) may have a very small increased risk of breast cancer. The risk is related to the type of progestogen in the HRT, not the oestrogen. However, this risk is very small and is less than the risk of breast cancer for women who are overweight or who drink a large glass of wine every evening. (Remember Davina in the ball pit and how many more pink balls there were for weight or alcohol intake than for HRT?)
  • Taking micronised progesterone (‘Utrogestan’ in the UK) has not been shown to be associated with a statistically significantly increased risk of breast cancer.

‘Body identical’ HRT has the same molecular structure as the hormones we naturally produce and contains oestrogen that is transmitted through the skin via a patch, gel or spray, and micronised progesterone (needed to protect your womb, if you have one). This type of HRT is also safe for women who have migraines, have a history of a blood clots or stroke, and also for most women who have had cancer or have a family history of cancer.

It is important to remember that the risk of breast cancer is most influenced by factors that you can’t do much about, like your age and family history, and three key things you can influence – your weight, exercise and alcohol intake. These risk factors are associated with a greater risk of breast cancer than any type of HRT.

I believe (and the NICE menopause guidelines tell us) that most women would benefit from taking HRT to help their symptoms of perimenopause and menopause and also to help protect against heart disease, osteoporosis, dementia, depression, bowel cancer and type 2 diabetes.

It’s time to change the narrative around HRT, shake off false beliefs about the risks, and take back control of your wellbeing in the present and improve your health for the future."

Dr Louise Newson is a menopause specialist, and founder of The Menopause Charity and the free Balance menopause support app.

Guest Post from Dr Louise Newson, GP and Menopause expert: "Should I be worried about breast cancer and HRT?"
OP posts:
NewsonHealthTeam · 08/07/2021 16:02

@Runningshorts

Can I ask what sort of age should you start HRT? Is 40 too young even if you've had perimenopausal symptoms for a couple of years and family history of early menopause? How do you get a gp to take it seriously at this age?
Hi @Runningshorts If you have had peri symptoms for a couple of years you should be able to start HRT. 1 in 100 women have the menopause under 40, so it is not that uncommon. Your doctor may do a blood test but these are inconclusive as hormone levels can vary so much from day to day. Stress that you have family history of early menopause, read up about what type of HRT you want, and persevere if you initially don't have much luck with your GP.
NewsonHealthTeam · 08/07/2021 16:12

@Coronateachingagain

I find the IP's post a bit one sided. Nothing about other variables like the amount of time you are on HRT and how that influences the risk, and the age at which you start or stop, whether you are taking it because you had early onset menopause, etc..

Separately, can Mumsnet confirm this article is not sponsored at all?

Hi @Coronateachingagain I can confirm that Dr Newson's post is not sponsored in any way. She does not work with any pharma companies and does not endorse any products, it is very important to her that she maintains her professional independence and reputation. She has a private clinic, but also runs the free and unsponsored Menopause Doctor website, a not for profit research and education company, and free app called balance.
NewsonHealthTeam · 08/07/2021 16:17

@MikeHat

Is there any link to ER- breast cancer?Is there any benefit to taking HRT after the menopause if you have never taken it before?
Hi @MikeHat there is not any significant evidence to suggest that HRT causes ER- cancers. Taking HRT after the menopause is still beneficial as it helps lower your risk of future disease like heart disease, osteoporosis, dementia and depression.
NewsonHealthTeam · 08/07/2021 16:25

@AmIPeriOrAreYouJustAnnoying

Really hard to make an informed decision about this when your GP won't discuss it. And seemingly has not had much up to date training on the issue.

I've requested someone talk to me about this, but my surgery doesn't even have a women's health lead!

Yes there's lots of positive news on HRT at the moment. Especially online. Buy what is fuelling this?
So confused.
And peri menopausal.

Some clearer answers would be helpful.

Hi @AmIPeriOrAreYouJustAnnoying it is a shame that your GP won't discuss it. I have advice on my menopause doctor website, page is titled 'My doctor won't budge' and it gives suggestions of things you can do to help you access HRT. Every practice in the UK can access free menopause training if you visit www.themenopausecharity.org and go to training you will see the link, you could ask your practice if someone has signed up yet. Over 10,000 practices have. There is lots of positive news about HRT because after 20 years of scaremongering and misinformation, it is time to change the narrative and Davina's documentary on Channel 4 in May helped to start this conversation.
Newgirls · 08/07/2021 16:26

This is so helpful thank you for your time 🙏

Coronateachingagain · 08/07/2021 16:27

"Hi @Emilyontmoor you raise some good points, there is a lack of good research on this topic. It is really down to personal choice and up to you to weigh up how you feel now, compared to any possible risks. I have a booklet on my menopause doctor website - Resources - Booklets and factsheets for women after breast cancer that is useful and you might want to listen to my podcast with Mel Martins, one of our doctors who had ER+ breast cancer herself."

@NewsonHealthTeam there is lack of research but still some very good research on the subject of lifetime exposure to oestrogen. I am not an expert but this is a topic you should keep more in mind when writing articles about HRT. As you say there is a lot of work to do still so I would not lead women completely to believe on one side of the story that the risks are very low. Jury still out on that one and I for one would be very careful about taking the risk.

NewsonHealthTeam · 08/07/2021 16:35

@moonbedazzled

I'm 61. I've never taken HRT - had no symptoms during the menopause. At that time it was considered only to take HRT if you had to, and then to stay on it as short a time as possible, and beware increased risks of breast cancer. It now looks, ike HRT, on the contrary, is a cure all for all sorts of diseases: diabetes, heart disease, stroke. Should I ask to go on it now to get benefit from it?
Hi @moonbedazzled it is purely down to individual choice, find out more about future health benefits of HRT, see what risk factors you have for different diseases, and if HRT would give you some extra protection from them it might be worth considering it.
NewsonHealthTeam · 08/07/2021 16:40

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Thanks for this. I was very against taking HRT because I have a bad history of breast cancer in my mother's family (although she hasn't had it). However, my other concern is that menstruation was a nightmare for me from start to finish and I had endometriosis. It's been a huge relief for me not to have periods any more. Does HRT re-activate periods? How does it affect endometriosis? Can this increase the risk of other forms of cancer?

Thanks for engaging with us. I agree with everyone else - this is an area where people just aren't well informed.

Hi @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g if you haven't had a period for more than a year, you would go on the type of HRT regime that doesn't allow for any bleeding. There may be some initial bleeding when you start but this usually settles. There wouldn't be breaks in the progesterone element to cause a 'period', you would take it continuously. I have a factsheet on menopause doctor website on endometriosis and HRT.
Newgirls · 08/07/2021 17:16

Yes I’d like to know about why some women have too little oestrogen (so periods stop etc) yet women with some cancers are at risk from too much oestrogen? Do I need a science degree?!! Is there a ‘wrong’ type of oestrogen?

PixelatedLunchbox · 11/07/2021 07:19

@LadyWithLapdog

I thought we’d moved away from HRT for bones?
No, we've moved toward. It's good for your bone density, helps prevent bone loss. Weight bearing exercise is also important.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7502701/

Coronateachingagain · 14/07/2021 23:58

@PixelatedLunchbox that link is a study of "combined effects of weight-bearing exercise and hormone replacement therapy (HRT) on bone mineral density (BMD) ". Only looks at the effects mainly On BONE DENSITY. No one denies the effects of the above on bone density or course. No other effects are monitored, including no mention of monitoring increase in cancer in the sample. So a bit disingenuous to quote this study saying they have "moved forward". Again a holistic view, not skewed, is necessary.

PixelatedLunchbox · 15/07/2021 08:22

[quote Coronateachingagain]@PixelatedLunchbox that link is a study of "combined effects of weight-bearing exercise and hormone replacement therapy (HRT) on bone mineral density (BMD) ". Only looks at the effects mainly On BONE DENSITY. No one denies the effects of the above on bone density or course. No other effects are monitored, including no mention of monitoring increase in cancer in the sample. So a bit disingenuous to quote this study saying they have "moved forward". Again a holistic view, not skewed, is necessary. [/quote]

I think it's pretty clear I was talking about bone density and only bone density. Furthermore I said "toward", not "forward".

Coronateachingagain · 15/07/2021 08:44

@PixelatedLunchbox maybe. Towards - probably a worse choice of words even. But anyways the point is again you are implicitly endorsing without giving the whole picture of all the potential implications. Omitting other consequences which is not fair to present a balanced view, deflects selectively. Plus It is no news and has been know for a long time that oestrogen is good for the bones so you are banging on same again. We need more research on the other effects too.

Newgirls · 15/07/2021 08:50

I’m glad lunchbox has raised the issue of bone health - not enough women know about it and certainly don’t think about it in their 40s and 50s.

We need so much more research and advice on this issue. Especially as women cut back on dairy now compared to previous generations. If hrt is the main treatment and some women are worried about it, where does it leave them?

PixelatedLunchbox · 15/07/2021 15:07

[quote Coronateachingagain]@PixelatedLunchbox maybe. Towards - probably a worse choice of words even. But anyways the point is again you are implicitly endorsing without giving the whole picture of all the potential implications. Omitting other consequences which is not fair to present a balanced view, deflects selectively. Plus It is no news and has been know for a long time that oestrogen is good for the bones so you are banging on same again. We need more research on the other effects too. [/quote]
@Coronateachingagain I answered someone else's question about bone health. BTW, HRT is also good for brain fog.

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Coronateachingagain · 16/07/2021 17:24

@PixelatedLunchbox deflecting the point but instead of complaining about my writing style and pointing away, we could have a healthy discussion of both the potential pros AND cons of HRT. I am totally unbiased and in fact I wish I did not have any doubts. I am addressing and acknowledging the pros of HRT so I hope you also acknowledge the other side of the coin, as science is not yet done on this one unfortunately. Unless of course, you have other reasons not to.

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