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Guest post: “I set out to find out: how do women deal with slang on their own terms”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 12/11/2019 14:53

I’ve been researching slang and throwing it into dictionaries for forty years. I’m still at it and have no intention, prior to crashing forward onto the keyboard, of stopping. But while I’ve been able to answer a few questions – e.g. fuck does not come from fornicate under command of the King, and shit doesn’t mean store high in transit –the one has always eluded me is this: what is the relationship of women to slang? We know, all too well, about women in slang and we need only one word to cover all the others: misogyny. But how about women and slang?

There are maybe 10,000 woman-related terms in the English vocabulary, if you include the vagina (1500 words alone, the same as the penis), the breasts, heterosexual and lesbian intercourse and the language of commercial sex. It’s all about the ‘male gaze’: is she sexy or prudish, is she pretty or plain, is she complaisant or argumentative.

For many users – experts and amateurs alike – this is as it should be. Surely slang epitomizes what the linguist Dale Spender, who was looking at every variety of English, called a ‘man-made’ language. Its obsessions – sex (and sex work) and the giblets we do it with, intoxication by drink or drugs, insults, racism, crime and a range of terms that are about as far from ‘woke’ as one could imagine – are seen as male preoccupations. Caring, sharing and compassion: no thanks. And love? Oh FFS! Around 140,000 terms to date, and every one coined by a bloke.

But slang is noteworthy for mocking rules. Its primary characteristic, in my opinion, is sedition, taking the piss, in its own coarse words. So why should received wisdom actually be wise?

Eighteen months or so ago I set out to find out: how do women deal with slang on their own terms. In my book Sounds & Furies: the love-hate relationship between women and slang, I’ve tried to see whether there actually exists a women’s slang. A female-created, female-used vocabulary that runs in parallel to the ‘man-made’ version. I’d like to proclaim victory, but on the whole I can’t. We have plentiful evidence of women using slang ever since the first small glossaries appeared, around 1530, but if there is a woman’s slang, then, frustratingly, it hasn’t emerged. Or not for me.

It's true that slang has never featured in ‘polite’ society. But that’s what makes it ‘polite’. Women were not meant to use slang, let alone invent it, which meant that those who did have traditionally been outside that world: sex workers, fishwives (thus ‘Billingsgate’ as a synonym for obscenity), entertainers and so on. It also helped badge a succession of ‘new women’: as well as smoking, riding bicycles and, heaven forfend, having sex, they also talked slang.

On the whole they used the same words as the men. But does that make such words ‘man-made’? How do we know whether a man or woman coined a term? Even the ‘F-word’ might have first emerged from female lips, very possibly as ‘Fuck off!’

Of course if this is so important, why has it been left untouched for so long? In short, ease of access. If slang itself is hard enough to research — at least until relatively recently — then the use of slang by women, already excluded from the centres of power, is even harder to nail down. This, I would suggest, is changing.

Today slang seems to be available across the female world. Social media is pretty much run by young women. Slang comes naturally. A core word like selfie may be mainstream now, but it started in slang world. On fleek, looking good, was associated with a teenage coiner, Peaches Monroe.

Finally, a hat-tip to Mumsnetters, whose own in-house vocabulary needs no introduction. But from the lexicographer’s point of view it is showing a take on slang that is something new. Take what some might term the considerate (and others the passive-aggressive) AIBU (am I being unreasonable?) which creates a number of answers: YABU (you are…), YANBU (you are not…) and so on. Can we really imagine men creating an equivalent? Perhaps women-only language does exist after all.

Sounds & Furies: the love-hate relationship between women and slang is available on Amazon

OP posts:
APerkyPumpkin · 15/11/2019 10:56

I genuinely tried to research women and their experiences of slang and they told me to fuck off...and I said that is actually a male word not a female one and they laughed at me.

toomuchtooold · 15/11/2019 12:06

You've come to the wrong place if you're looking for sharing. Many of us may be mums, but we're not your mum.

Regarding AIBU, there's Reddit's Am I the Asshole although I don't know which came first.

Also, why has nobody mentioned penis portions yet?

picklemepopcorn · 15/11/2019 13:20

Do men get javelin arse?

SpamChaudFroid · 15/11/2019 14:26

"It's true that slang has never featured in ‘polite’ society. But that’s what makes it ‘polite’. Women were not meant to use slang, let alone invent it, which meant that those who did have traditionally been outside that world: sex workers, fishwives (thus ‘Billingsgate’ as a synonym for obscenity), entertainers and so on"

How about slang (usually backslang) used in girls boarding schools? I know it wasn't exclusive to the school I went to. No fishwives or sex workers or even entertainers attended as far as I'm aware Smile

CountFosco · 15/11/2019 16:25

Do men get javelin arse?

Apparently they do but they call it Proctalgia fugax

CountFosco · 15/11/2019 16:55

As previous posters have stated, the female slang would have stayed within all- female groups and activities, and although they would have undoubtedly existed, they just never made it into the wider vocabulary.

I bet they did make it into the wider vocabulary, they just weren't recognised as female in origin (like much in life). All slang to do with predominantly female activities will have been female in origin so anything to do with periods, pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, menopause. But also female only work (because very few women were ever part of 'polite society') so e.g. cooking, childcare, housework, in farming the dairy and hen house were women's work, can't believe the women doing the hard cold work gutting fish didn't have slang, or those working in mills or match factories or munitions. Wasn't brewing women's work, textiles (from spinning and sewing to victorian and modern sweatshops?), laundry, retail, teaching. Never mind prostitution (doubt it was a man who started calling the clients 'Johns'). And then there is the slang to describe sexism.

There's potentially such an interesting book about the history of female-only slang but it will never be written by someone who thinks the majority of words about sex were coined by men Confused.

picklemepopcorn · 15/11/2019 17:53

Ooh, just remembered some school slang!

A.Y. was short for after you- a bit like calling dibs.

And at Uni before my time, the sink in the cupboard in your room was called a Moab. Biblical reference, Moab is my washbowl.

Both definitely women's slang.

Cecilandsnail · 15/11/2019 18:09

Way behind the thread but schrodingers women cracked me up...it's so spot on too 😂

EmpressLesbianInChair · 15/11/2019 18:12
Grin
Cecilandsnail · 15/11/2019 18:15

I'm afraid I adopted some manly slang when reading the op and thought...dick!

FrancisCrawford · 15/11/2019 18:16

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gnomeisland · 15/11/2019 20:02

Hot off the MN press, Jonathan: Pervy Pig

coatlessinspokane · 15/11/2019 20:15

What a pile of wank. Of course women have always had slang.

1Morewineplease · 15/11/2019 20:35

Not a fan of ‘grow a pair’
Surely a female construct.
A phrase that I’ve only seen on MN is ‘man child.’
Obviously a female construct.

AnyMinuteNow · 15/11/2019 21:37

man child was conceived before conception of MN.

About about motherfucker. Huh?

Pervy pig though? gnomeisland

Auberjean · 15/11/2019 22:36

I don't necessarily agree that slang isn't used in polite society. It isn't used by the petit bourgeoisie, but the upper classes use it plenty.

HannahWebsper · 15/11/2019 23:03

Hello, I’m just coming into my third trimester and I already have a lovely, lively little boy aged 2 and a half. I am a full time mum and my boy isn’t going into nursery. Now my due date is looming I’m starting to stress out at the thought of managing a busy toddler and a baby on my own! I don’t have family nearby... does anyone else have experience of this and helpful tips they could share? Thanks!!

Datun · 15/11/2019 23:25

@HannahWebsper

I think you've posted on the wrong thread. You need becoming a parent, or being a parent, I believe.

HannahWebsper · 16/11/2019 08:43

Oops, thank you!!

Peanutbatter · 16/11/2019 09:15

What a load of Contempowaft!

AlphaNumericalSequence · 16/11/2019 18:18

"A female-created, female-used vocabulary that runs in parallel to the ‘man-made’ version."
Having made this bizarre assumption that mainstream slang is 'man-made' the author then goes on to say (as if uttering an insight):

"On the whole they used the same words as the men. But does that make such words ‘man-made’? How do we know whether a man or woman coined a term?"

Well, duh.
I'm guessing that it is just obviously false to say that slang as a whole is man-made, and obviously false to say that we have to look for some special domain of lady-slang to find any female influence. Different slangs will have emerged in different social settings, dozens of male ones, dozens of female ones, hundreds of mixed ones.
It's pretty offensive to corral women women's linguistic contribution to the extent implied in this blog post.

Perhaps the book doesn't do that. Perhaps it is only the blog post that implies this narrowing of women's linguistic agency, in an attempt to pique the interest of the laydeees. Either way, it doesn't bode well for the quality of the book and I don't think I'll be buying it.

AlphaNumericalSequence · 16/11/2019 18:25

Sorry, I was so pissed off by the OP that I just posted without rtft. I see now that everyone has been uttering the same amazed condemnation of the stupidity of this guest blog.

lottiegarbanzo · 16/11/2019 19:28

Hmm, not sure how I feel about 'misterslang' trying to 'nail down' women's slang. Well, I am actually.

lottiegarbanzo · 16/11/2019 19:32

Did you come here to ask us a question OP? To pay tribute to Mumsnet? Or to mansplain women's slang?

I thought at the outset that you were explaining your nascent project with a view to asking for our input at an early stage. But no, just promoting your book. Well, well done for writing a book chap. Happy?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 16/11/2019 19:42

The OP is another guest plopper.

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