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Guest post: “We need to look at the reasons for the decline in vaccination rates”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 07/11/2019 11:01

The UK vaccination programme is very successful with high rates of vaccine uptake and as a result, low disease rates. In the UK vaccination is the norm, with the overwhelming majority of parents automatically having their children immunised. However, recently there has been a small decline in vaccine uptake of a few percentage points which has attracted a lot of attention in the media. One tabloid has even run a campaign: “Give the children their jabs”. The stories suggested this decline in uptake is due to the effects of mis-information about vaccines on social media, or parents’ ‘complacency’ about the seriousness of diseases like measles and lots of references to the rise of ‘anti-vaxxers’. One suggestion to improve rates, made by the Secretary of State for Health, is to make vaccination compulsory. At first glance, this seems sensible. Immunisation is a very safe and highly effective means of protecting our children against diseases that can be very serious, so making it compulsory seems the obvious quick fix to improve rates. But is this the best way?

First, we need to look at the reasons for the decline in rates. Contrary to some news headlines, most under-immunisation is not due to parents declining vaccines - in fact, the number of parents who do this is very small and there is no evidence to suggest there has been an increase recently. In fact, surveys, including one by Mumsnet, show that more UK parents than ever are confident in vaccination and consider it to be important for their children’s health. More practical reasons such as difficulties getting an appointment because of the conflicting pressures of busy family life and working schedules and forgetting that vaccines are due, particularly for pre-school children are more often the causes of under-immunisation. General practice, where most baby vaccines are given, has been under a lot of pressure lately with increasing workloads and fewer resources including a shortage of nurses. There has also been a decline in numbers of health visitors who provide families with advice and support in the early years including about vaccination. It is certainly true that some people may not think vaccines are so important any more as the diseases are now uncommon, but calling this ‘complacency’ is not helpful. If you have no experience of a disease, how can you be expected to know what it’s like? So wouldn’t it be better to improve all these things first and if they don’t work, then think about introducing more radical solutions?

What could mandation look like? Other countries have different ways of mandating, in some like the USA it’s a requirement for school entry, in Australia you don’t get certain benefit payments unless children are vaccinated and in some European countries, a fine is imposed. The evidence about whether this actually works to increase rates is not clear. If you are going to introduce such laws you have to make it easier for families to get vaccinated and also publicise it, otherwise it’s not fair and it might be these improvements that have the impact of increasing rates where that happens, not mandation itself.

We also have to think about the possible harms of such a measure. If we introduced a system where children had to be vaccinated before they could start school, one possible consequence would be that parents who did not want their children to be vaccinated would have to find alternative ways of educating them. This would disadvantage children in poorer families more than those of richer parents, who would have the resource to pay for quality alternative education. In some countries, <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02232-0&sa=D&ust=1573126764565000&usg=AFQjCNGNT0ZByOtQ9wYKGBP_pR3fO1ZAew" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">legal requirements have resulted in more vaccine resistance among parents already unsure about vaccination. Health professionals are an important source of advice for parents about vaccination, with many parents saying they trust them and their advice, but what would happen to these conversations if the starting point was that the child had to be vaccinated? Would requirements mean that healthcare providers were less willing to spend time discussing vaccination with them as it was no longer a choice? Finally, while a legal requirement may be appropriate and acceptable in some countries, we know little about the views of the UK public on this issue and it would be important to establish these first. In a Mumsnet survey, 77% reported they would support such legislation, but does this actually just reflect support for vaccination?

As vaccination protects the community as well as individuals, one important benefit of high vaccine rates is that people who cannot be immunised are protected by the immunity in the rest of the community. This includes young babies, people with health conditions and pregnant women. This, it is often argued, is why we need to introduce compulsory vaccination. While community immunity is extremely important, I would argue that to introduce compulsory vaccination would require considerable extra resources. This would be better spent improving our current systems and organisation to strengthen the things that we know work to improve uptake, rather than moving straight to legislation which could be harmful.

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JenniR29 · 10/11/2019 09:12

meanwhile our vaccinated children are fine

Not necessarily true. In order to be fine they need to be fully vaccinated with boosters which isn’t usually until they have had their pre school jabs. So my kids would not be ok if there were to be a measles outbreak.

Also vaccination doesn’t always guarantee immunity, none of them are 100% effective. This is why herd immunity is so important.

Redcliff · 10/11/2019 09:48

What a fascinating thread. Both my children have been vaccinated but it was so easy to arrange. I can imagine some families who lead chaotic lives and/or parents that suffer from anxiety finding things too hard if its not made as easy as possible.

One of my neighbours has such bad social anxiety that she confessed to me that she hadn't been able to arrange a medical appointment for her son that was much needed. I offered to help of course but she declined.

MiniMum97 · 10/11/2019 11:55

I find it shocking that the people in support of vaccines seem to be against improvements to make it easier for parents to get their children vaccinated. Bizarre.

StealthPolarBear · 10/11/2019 11:57

I agree, also find it bizarre that so few have read the op.

MrsHardbroom · 10/11/2019 11:59

@FlowerAndBloom , just as a matter of interest, are you carrying out this meta-analysis as a member of a university-affiliated research group or is this something to have decided to undertake on your own? I imagine it's a difficult if not impossible field to meta-analyse, so many different cognitive outcomes and how does one even measure aluminium exposure?

JenniR29 · 10/11/2019 12:09

I agree we have veered off topic from the op. I mentioned it earlier but I think the following steps would help:

  • Walk in weekend clinics for those who struggle to make and keep appointments during the week due to work or other pressures.

-Engagement with migrant communities, find out their vaccination rates and use translators or people from those communities to help educate and access vaccinations if they are low.

  • A general campaign (prime time tv) on the dangers of vaccine preventable diseases and reassurance around the safety of vaccinations.

-Recruit more health visitors and school nurses to educate and vaccinate.

  • Laws to stop social media promoting adverts and content from anti-vaxx platforms.
  • Look to restricting access to schools/nurseries if parents fail to vaccinate.

Actual mandatory vaccination is very hard to enforce and does create a situation where the rich may be able to evade it by paying a fine but the poor will be penalised.

smoresmores · 10/11/2019 14:39

Agree....there are plenty of people whose babies are damaged or who died and they will come on this page and tell you so. This is minimised or ignored and so breeds mistrust. It doesn't matter if the chance of it happening is 1 in 500 000 if that's your baby....that is your whole world gone.

Can you point us in the direction of some of the 'plenty of people' who have lost a child specifically as a result of vaccinating?

smoresmores · 10/11/2019 14:41

To the PP who wrote that, I'd suggest looking up the death rates of the diseases we vaccinate against, when they were prevalent / in places where children are not vaccinated.

Would be a lot more than your mythical 1 in 500000.

But it's ok because everyone else takes the "risk" for you. Fuck autoimmune compromised children / people. As long as your little darling isn't in "danger".

Entitled idiot.

Justathinslice · 10/11/2019 20:39

This thread illustrates my point exactly.
One poster says she has concerns about aluminium, others then call her stupid.
I believe more research should be done on why some children do react so badly.
Surely that would be a positive?

StealthPolarBear · 10/11/2019 21:39

Why should we research something wihj no evidence? Its a waste of money that could be put to better use.

Drabarni · 10/11/2019 22:33

I'm not up on recent developments as my dc are older now, so was a long time ago now.
I believe some of it could be due to somebody I don't know who convincing people it's bad to immunise.
I know two nurses who aren't immunising their children. So when I hear about this it's time to worry.
Don't know who this person is but their message is getting through, whoever they are.

JenniR29 · 11/11/2019 03:55

One poster says she has concerns about aluminium, others then call her stupid.

I told her she shouldn’t tell people not to vaccinate without her research being complete and a valid conclusion drawn. That’s not the same as saying she’s stupid. Aluminium research isn’t new either, it’s been studied before, the conclusion being the trace amounts in vaccinations are perfectly safe.

MerryMarigold · 11/11/2019 08:31

Regarding flu vaccine for primary children: It's a small thing, but the consent form was online and as a result most parents forgot about it as you didn't have it in your hands to do then and there. Just now on our parents WhatsApp about half of parents have forgotten to do it when they usually have it every year.

Peregrina · 11/11/2019 09:05

Well I am glad that the OP has highlighted how the NHS being run down is a big part of the cause in this country, which is largely receptive to vaccination. Wakefield is too often trotted out as a lazy excuse - for younger parents he is before they were born - but enables the Government to get away with not financing proper health care.

JenniR29 · 11/11/2019 14:33

Well I am glad that the OP has highlighted how the NHS being run down is a big part of the cause in this country

Very true. It’s not the sole cause (the anti-vaxx movement is still very real) but one has to wonder about the impact of reduced appointments and fewer staff.

dannydyerismydad · 11/11/2019 19:57

My local GP surgery is happy to hold a Saturday flu vaccination clinic for the over 70s. Most of whom don't work and could go any day of the week.

Yet childhood immunisations are only on Wednesdays requiring parents to take time off work. There really does need to be a bit more flexibility here.

Onceuponatimethen · 11/11/2019 19:58

I agree with the op - I’m against mandatory vaccination

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