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Guest post: "What concerns me about Love Island is the demeaning treatment of women and its effect on those watching"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 22/06/2018 15:44

As a parent, I know how hard it can be to control what your children watch and the messages they get from the media. In the age of social media and Netflix, we don’t just watch programmes on TV but on our phones, tablets and laptops, often in every room of the house. The premise of the popular reality TV show, Love Island, would make many parents cautious about their child tuning in. Couples are followed by cameras and share beds with each other, with adult themes and language. But what concerns me most is the effect on the children and teenagers who are watching the men’s demeaning treatment of the women on the show without that behaviour being checked or challenged. Before we know it, our kids are growing up thinking that it’s normal to belittle or degrade your partner.

We know that Love Island is not our first point of call for relationship advice. But as parents we do know that children and teenagers look to what they can view on TV and online to find out more about what to expect in romantic relationships.

Love Island is the highest rating programme on TV with around 3 million viewers tuning in every night. We know that its popularity will mean that more young people than ever will be looking up to the beautiful 20-something singles on the Spanish island, and aspire to be like them.

That’s why I was taken by Rosie’s courageous calling out of Adam’s behaviour, and as Chief Executive of Women’s Aid wanted to add my voice to hers.

On Tuesday night, there were clear warning signs in Adam’s behaviour and his treatment of Rosie. It made for uncomfortable viewing seeing him respond to Rosie’s attempt to talk to him about how his chasing of other women was making her feel upset. He trivialised her feelings, blamed her for his wandering eye and smirked, mocking her throughout the conversation. Worst of all, he made out that she is unbalanced by questioning her recall of recent events. Rosie’s response couldn’t have been better. She refused to accept his attempt to blame her and called out his behaviour as simply unacceptable.

Domestic abuse does not happen in a cultural vacuum. Violence against women happens every day to women on the street, at work and even in their own homes. There’s a clear link between the ‘everyday sexism’ women put up with on a daily basis and the sexual harassment, assault and domestic abuse that women overwhelmingly experience.

Many women watching the show will recognise Adam’s behaviour as something they have experienced in their relationships. For far too long this behaviour has been dismissed and even normalised as men just “being a lad” or “a ladies’ man”. Yet for many women it will have made them feel demeaned, degraded and upset.

What can be all too easily passed off as “laddish behaviour” actually has a much darker impact. From our work with survivors of domestic abuse, we know that a repeated pattern of controlling behaviour in a relationship is abuse. Emotional and psychological abuse has a devastating impact on survivors; it shatters your confidence and self-esteem, leaving you feeling isolated, confused and living in fear. I know that many survivors of abusive relationships who watch the show have had to switch off after some of the scenes in the villa triggered disturbing flashbacks for them.

That’s why it is so important to challenge this behaviour at the earliest opportunity. In calling out Adam’s behaviour Rosie has started a conversation about what makes a healthy – or unhealthy – relationship. Domestic abuse is often hidden behind closed doors, and is rarely spoken about. On Love Island, everything is out in the open, making it a good platform to talk about the issues. The setting may be artificial but the contestants are real and many of their experiences resonate with viewers. Some of the behaviours on display are exactly those women tell us they suffer in real life relationships, which if unchecked and repeated over long periods have devastating consequences.

This week Rosie stood up to Adam and challenged his authority (“Classic Adam, using excuses, blaming me for his behaviour. He always thinks he has the power”). This was a signal to children and teenagers that expecting respect in relationships should be the norm not the exception. Younger people need the language and tools to call out abusive behaviour when they see it and television can help open up the conversations we want to have with our kids.

Meanwhile, in real life victims of domestic abuse often suffer in silence and ‘victim-blaming’ puts a barrier in the way of them leaving an abusive relationships. We need to stand together and call out all forms of domestic abuse, emotional as well as physical. It is only when we speak out together against abuse in relationships that we will see a change in attitudes in every generation and put an end to domestic abuse.

Katie Ghose, Chief Executive of Women’s Aid


If you or someone you know is experiencing abuse in a relationship, call the Freephone 24/7 National Domestic Violence Helpline, run by Women’s Aid in partnership with Refuge, on 0808 2000 247 or visit //www.womensaid.org.uk.


Resources:

Freephone 24/7 National Domestic Violence Helpline, run by Women’s Aid in partnership with Refuge, on 0808 2000 247 www.nationaldomesticviolencehelpline.org.uk/
Women’s Aid www.womensaid.org.uk/
Coercive control toolkit – to help you talk to young people about healthy relationships www.womensaid.org.uk/controlling-behaviour-in-relationships-coercive-control/
The Hideout – for children and young people to find out more about what a healthy relationship if and where they can get support thehideout.org.uk/
Love Don’t Feel Bad – for young women to find out more about what abuse is and where to get help www.lovedontfeelbad.co.uk/

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LARLARLAND · 23/06/2018 14:38

I think most people disagree with you Bluntness.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 23/06/2018 14:59

So there are some groups of men who display shitty and abusive behaviour towards women that we are allowed to openly discuss on MN but not other groups of men?

It's not an elephant in the corner it's a whole bloody herd.

Keep Women's Aid single sex.

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Findingmywayeveryday · 23/06/2018 15:01

Apparently you need more evidence. I don’t find it hard to believe in a house of 6 men, one is an unpleasant person

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Bluntness100 · 23/06/2018 15:42

I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, however I will not change my opinion on the fact rhis show is highly edited and the whole context would need to be seen to make a judgement decision on whether Adam was an abuser or not. Right now only those who have seen the full footage know.

I'm actually very shocked women's aid were not more cautious with their wording, but leapt after seeing a few mins of edited highlights and made repeated accusations he was guilty of abuse, very, very publicly.

If they are wrong, and they may well be, and this is in the editing, then quite rightly they should be in deep water legally.

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HelenaDove · 23/06/2018 16:09

Bluntness100 Sat 23-Jun-18 11:15:50

"I'd also say these constant attacks on Adam, publicly portraying him as abusive, when you have not seen the unedited footage very likely is libellous and defamatory, and he may have a very strong case to sue."


Weirdly though...............you dont get many people saying this about the way people are portrayed in those poverty porn TV shows and there will be a lot of unedited footage in those too.

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LARLARLAND · 23/06/2018 16:14

Bluntness I think you are massively overestimating how much these shows can be edited. They are obviously picking out the 'best' bits but they can only work with the content the participants in the show provide to them.

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whatnow123 · 23/06/2018 16:17

I dont feel sorry for him, just dont believe he's behaved as badly as some potray.

On the show every woman has been interested in him, said he is like a "God" despite his "awful" behaviour. I also have little doubt once he leaves he wont be short of female attention either. So he must be doing something right.

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Bluntness100 · 23/06/2018 16:39

I'm not sure I feel sorry for him either, but I am concerned women's aid have thrown him under the bus with little to no evidence.

Yes these shows are highly edited, it's no secret, they can and do make it look as they please by cutting, splicing, whatever to make good tv and add to thr drama.

The issue is if some idiot then says "that must be the whole story, the truth and rhe whole truth " then there is a problem, and right now, I think the ceo of women's aid is that idiot. She's jumped fast and not checked her facts. She could have made the same point and used the same platform but been much smarter about it bearing in mind that she didn't have the full story.

In my opinion that's very wrong, if she's right, fine, but if she's just publicly libelled this man, labelled him an abuser to millions and millions of people and she's got it wrong and the wider footage shows she wrong then she should as a minimum lose her job.

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LARLARLAND · 23/06/2018 16:43

I hope she doesn’t lose her job. I hope they give her a pay rise.

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Blessthekids · 23/06/2018 16:59

I watched the first 3 episodes to see what all the hype was about and to be honest it just made me depressed. Not only Adam's behaviour but the way the contestants are largely so shallow, everything is so based on looks and everything else is very secondary; the idea of what is beauty and good looking is a very narrow one and why are the girls so happy to lower their self worth in order to please Adam. I despair on one hand and then think maybe I should just laugh at them but with the suicide of an ex-contestant I think this sort of reality probably does no good for the state of mental health in society.

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Vicky1990 · 23/06/2018 17:26

I think the women are doing more than enough to demean themselves, they do not need any help to do that,

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ItDoesMyHeadIn · 23/06/2018 17:40

I'm sorry but what a load of bullshit!

There is a hell of a difference between men who abuse women and men who just play the field and lie to get themselves laid.

Most of the women who go for guys like Adam KNOW what he's like but they go after them anyway because they are usually attractive, confident and arrogant themselves and they think they'll be the one to change these lads with nothing but a raging hard on. If you're treated badly by these Essex type boys then walk away the first time and don't stand for it, if you keep crawling back again and again then you can't blame anyone but yourself!

Let's save the "abuse" sympathy for people who have actually been abused! Pathetic!

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Findingmywayeveryday · 23/06/2018 17:42

Oh that’s ok then let’s join in with them and demean them some more. I mean what’s the harm? They are asking for it after all.

Are the men demeaning themselves with any snogging, sexual conduct, talking about sex, tiny swimming shorts and oiled bodies? Oh no that’s because they are men and that is all allowed. Men are allowed to be sexy and women cannot I forgot

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Bluntness100 · 23/06/2018 18:51

Let's save the "abuse" sympathy for people who have actually been abused

And this is my point, not one of us on here actually knows if Rosie was abused. Neither does Katie from women's aid. That's the key point. She doesnt know. She doesn't have the full story, she hasn't seen the unedited footage, she's not in there, she's spoken to neither Rosie or Adam, not anyone with them, but she made a judgement anyway, and then she went public with it.

Getting their message out to recognise the signs of abuse is admirable
What has went badly wrong here is they have effectively made this man the abuser to do it, when they don't know for sure. All they had to go on was a very small and highly edited insight.

They could have been smart about this, but they were not. they could have achieved their objective without sending Adam to the slaughter. Any reasonable person would only send him to the slaughter when you know for sure.

Women's aid in this instance are now also likely guilty of abuse. Because if they are wrong, then they have publicly abused this man and will have brought the charity into disrepute. There is a very good chance he or his family, and possibly even other contestants, or itv, will take issue with what they are saying.

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whatnow123 · 23/06/2018 18:55

They are all demeaning themselves. They had a serious conversation about Liverpool being a Country and Wales being a continent. The same girl thought Brexit was about a lack of cheese (or trees). These are people we should not be taking seriously

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Rach5ll · 23/06/2018 19:01

Ofgs if a man displayed the level of ugly jealousy and vitriol towards me that Rosie did after 5 days he'd be dumped too

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ItDoesMyHeadIn · 23/06/2018 19:03

I just think people easily jump on the 'abuse train' these days. If a lad has been seeing a girl for a few days (granted in there a few days would feel like a few months) and all of sudden he's ditching you for someone else he prefers, you say fine okay do what you want but you make it clear he's burned his bridges and you're not going to be someone he can crawl back to. You maintain your dignity because you know you deserve better.

You don't parade around in some desperate underwear photo shoot in front of him to "show him what he's missing" that isn't someone who's being abused that's just someone who's being a twat.

Get a grip!

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Bluntness100 · 23/06/2018 19:08

Ofgs if a man displayed the level of ugly jealousy and vitriol towards me that Rosie did after 5 days he'd be dumped too

And there is rhis, rosie is being portrayed as the hero of the hour, and quite frankly her behaviour was appalling, we all saw it and there is no denying it. Faults on both sides from what was shown, and none of us having seen the whole thing so not really knowing, it's just light entertainment as a pp said, and it's edited to be as juicy as possible, but these are real people..

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TinklyLittleLaugh · 23/06/2018 19:32

I'm another one watching LI with my young adult kids and using it as a an opportunity to discuss issues with them. And of course it is cleverly edited to shape a narrative.

The conversation where Adam dumped Rosie and the appalling, smirking way he gaslighted her was shown in its entirety though. That's what people are disliking him for, not his wandering eye.

Yes Rosie seems pretty highly strung and divatastic, yes she basically reaped what she sowed because Adam treated her in the same way he treated Kendall.

But there was something very calculating about the way Adam operates. He's very smooth, very likeable. It's quite chilling.

And incidentally, everyone in our house loves Jack best, with his gentle empathy and his dad bod. It's not all about the looks. We all agree Eyal is absolutely beautiful but wouldn't last beyond the first date. Utterly gorgeous Hayley wasn't particularly popular either due to being quite a difficult person to get along with.

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GinPink · 23/06/2018 19:57

Rosie is in no way being seen as a 'hero'. I don't even like Rosie. However, she wore her heart on her sleeve. She fell for Adam and believed what they had (albeit for a very short term) was genuine).

Adam lied and manipulated the situation to try and make her look a fool and doubt her own reality. The mental manipulation was so effortless it's clear he's done this before.

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mancheeze · 23/06/2018 21:09

I refuse to consume this kind of television. In fact, while I was doing my second degree I threw my TV out. I put it on the roadside for garbage pickup and I haven't owned a TV in 30 yrs.

Media affects children's behaviour. The studies from the 70's bear this out. If you want your child to be grounded and stable, you must stop allowing them access to television and other media like unrestricted internet access through smartphones etc.

Children model what they see.

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LARLARLAND · 23/06/2018 21:13

You seem like you’d be fun on a night out mancheeze

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Findingmywayeveryday · 23/06/2018 22:19

Oh for gods sake do you have teenage children? My DD is 16. I cannot police her eyeballs forever

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Newspeak · 23/06/2018 22:57

I don't think anyone is arguing that Rosie's behaviour was dignified however Adam tried to manipulate her into thinking the series of events occurred differently to how they actually occurred. We all heard him tell her that they were ok nothing to worry about whilst at the same time telling Zara/the boys that they were finished. When she called him out he made out her behaviour put him off. He had already gone. This is massively manipulative. women's aid are calling this BEHAVIOUR manipulative they did not say he was abusive but that his behaviour over a period of time could be.

behaviour like this is unacceptable within relationships (however long they occur).

I also concur with pp who stated that using language to describe this type of manipulation is paramount regardless of how the perpetrators identify.

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GinPink · 23/06/2018 23:16

@Newspeak you've hit the nail on the head

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